Marvel's The Avengers |OT| (Dir. Joss Whedon) [Spoilers unmarked]
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Kai Dracon
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I would be entirely behind treating the MCU as James Bond with continuity.
Plan for the same actor as a certain character for at least a trilogy of films.
After that, mix the a new actor in with some of the previous actors so it's not an all-new cast for the entire MCU in the space of one film.
Just keep the continuity the same. Reference past events as canonical, but don't worry about the dates lining up; use a version of the marvel's sliding timeline.
The interesting part is that for most of the characters in the MCU so far, a sliding timeline works because only Captain America is fully tied to WWII - but he's got the best gimmick ever. He gets frozen in ice then thawed out. Cap can always be the man from the past. The date of his extraction can be whenever, in the future. 200 years after WWII if need be.
The only other character with a timeline to stretch is Tony Stark, since his father Howard is established as having been involved with Captain America in WWII.
Plan for the same actor as a certain character for at least a trilogy of films.
After that, mix the a new actor in with some of the previous actors so it's not an all-new cast for the entire MCU in the space of one film.
Just keep the continuity the same. Reference past events as canonical, but don't worry about the dates lining up; use a version of the marvel's sliding timeline.
The interesting part is that for most of the characters in the MCU so far, a sliding timeline works because only Captain America is fully tied to WWII - but he's got the best gimmick ever. He gets frozen in ice then thawed out. Cap can always be the man from the past. The date of his extraction can be whenever, in the future. 200 years after WWII if need be.
The only other character with a timeline to stretch is Tony Stark, since his father Howard is established as having been involved with Captain America in WWII.
No, I hadn't forgotten. The part was recast 4 times over a period of 40 years before the reboot. That's obviously what Feige was referring to.
EDIT: To add to that, when Craig is finished, I assume they'll go back to the old ways and recast. They won't do the origin again.
Pie and Beans
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Keep Spider-Man and Wolverine away from my purist Avengers dream line-ups. They may be in for this era, but theres like another 40 years of the team's history before they ever made it onto the main roster.
Keep wanting to go see this again but cant find the time. Annoying.
Keep wanting to go see this again but cant find the time. Annoying.
Miggytronz
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No Hot Toys HULK?!
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Joel Was Right
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Recast?
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He hates Garfield because Marvel Studios didn't pick him.
Yeah, he would've been a great a hulk.
He looks bad, and his line delivery in the trailer is bad. Dump him.
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Huh?
Check out the Marvel Select Avengers Hulk. It's a pretty impressive toy...over 8" tall.
But yeah, I'm saving for the Hot Toys one. I hope the wife understands
I'll say that I want Spidey in the MCU as much as anyone, but would it actually bring in any more dollars? I'd guess that the Avengers may have hit peak nerdgasm, what with essentially five prequel films centered around four iconic characters.
If DC ever got its act together, MAYBE a Justice League film could top it. I think they'd have to copy the entire Marvel formula, though - quickly get out several good movies around their icons, establish they are all in the same universe, and then bring them together. DC has not shown ANY capability to do this.
If DC ever got its act together, MAYBE a Justice League film could top it. I think they'd have to copy the entire Marvel formula, though - quickly get out several good movies around their icons, establish they are all in the same universe, and then bring them together. DC has not shown ANY capability to do this.
EVeryting non Fassbender and McAvoy in First Class was god awful SyFy saturday night movie crap.
I still do not comprehend how it received so much fawning over it.
Sadly though Fox will milk the living shit out of it forever.
I have been on a huge Daredevil kick (read the entire 1998 run through Shadowland the end of the series and Daredevil Reborn to the new series over the weekend so I would seriously SERIOUSLY love to see it get in the right hands now.
Watched the first part or so of Rise of the Silver until my retching was too loud to hear anymore or see anymore.
As far as the mentor idea, eh I think it is hit or miss.
I am pretty much already against movies with younger versions of anything, with mentor or not because it comes off as trying to make something new and "hip" if that is still a word.
Batman Beyond was a freak storm that worked, but it is the exception and not the way it normally works out.
I also don't understand why it makes sense for Disney to agree to a crossover.
Is the assumption that Sony would loan him to Disney to help build a brand that Sony effectively owns? Short term that makes money, sure, but longterm they've now helped Sony keep the franchise viable and further out of Disney's grasp.
Is the assumption that Sony would loan him to Disney to help build a brand that Sony effectively owns? Short term that makes money, sure, but longterm they've now helped Sony keep the franchise viable and further out of Disney's grasp.
Banana Kid
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It's amazing to me that DC has been so inept in getting film franchises off the ground. They've been owned by Warner Brothers for ages, it seems like someone there should have realized they're sitting on a gold mine if they can just get a movie other than Batman or Superman out of development hell.
Honestly, reading the stories of all the failed Batman and Superman movies that they tried to make inbetween Superman IV/Batman & Robin and Batman Begins/Superman Returns, it starts to seem amazing that anything actually gets made over there.
rollingstart
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Really, it's hard to judge how the final result will be because we haven't seen the movie yet. But Garfield is a great actor who resembles the character, which doesn't matter, but is neat nonetheless. Can't imagine a Spider-man fan being displeased with the casting. The actual film quality and his portrayal is up in the air.
Please do not insult Jennifer Lawrence again or I may not survive.
He has some of the most compelling stories in the Marvel universe, really does.
Silver Surfer is one of my absolute favorite characters. I count these among my prized possessions:
I cannot subject myself to watching that film :'(
What are some other examples, even?
The Broken Ska Record
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DC has shown very little capability to make a good non-Batman movie.
I'm not sure how worthwhile the comparison is, but consider James Bond as a franchise. All that matters there is that the core character is present - other details set the films in a specific period, but are otherwise pretty meaningless. The Avengers could borrow from this model.
Fake edit: What Kojima said.
Check out the Marvel Select Avengers Hulk. It's a pretty impressive toy...over 8" tall.
But yeah, I'm saving for the Hot Toys one. I hope the wife understands
You have to get the Legacy 1/4 scale Hulk.
Parallax
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"hulk want pants too!"
Callibretto
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I'll still want to buy that, for a high price if they model his dong. Lol
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
i dont think many people would want "naked hulk with super dong action".....
He comes with pants. You can cut them off and display him naked with all his Hulk dong glory.
Escape Goat
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Xia, did you guys render Hulk's penis?
RealDeadOne
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I really don't hope actors just get recast when they get kinda old. I mean I guess for Evans, Hemsworth, Scarjo etc. it's not really an issue in the foreseeable future because they're still pretty young, but for Jackson and Downey Jr. they're getting on in years.
What I'd wish for would be for Tony Stark to either a) die in a future film and give his character closure or b) move up to a non-super position (probably replacing Jackson as SHIELD director when he's done). Or both really. But there could be another character that takes up the Iron Man mantle after him. I really just don't want the film universe to be like the comics where they just keep going and going and going for decades and the characters never really change. I mean even when characters die they just come back within a couple of years. A new character would be the perfect way to keep the series going (a kind of soft reboot) and change the actor while still keeping it within canon.
Miles Morales replacing Peter Parker, and Bucky and Dick replacing Cap/Batman (while they lasted) were perfect examples of this done right.
What I'd wish for would be for Tony Stark to either a) die in a future film and give his character closure or b) move up to a non-super position (probably replacing Jackson as SHIELD director when he's done). Or both really. But there could be another character that takes up the Iron Man mantle after him. I really just don't want the film universe to be like the comics where they just keep going and going and going for decades and the characters never really change. I mean even when characters die they just come back within a couple of years. A new character would be the perfect way to keep the series going (a kind of soft reboot) and change the actor while still keeping it within canon.
Miles Morales replacing Peter Parker, and Bucky and Dick replacing Cap/Batman (while they lasted) were perfect examples of this done right.
I'm thinking everything grows on Banner when he becomes the Hulk but his penis.
Parallax
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wow... thats lame. unless banner was super packing
hhnnnnngggg
That thing is too big, though. I don't know where I'd put it.
I'll post pics soon of the Marvel Select Hulk I bought. I just want to get the signed Hulk painting custom framed first.
Auron_Kale
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Seems like par for the course in this thread really, it's only Tuesday after all...
And I loved watching that BTS featurette where Ruffalo was doing his Hulk impressions while studying the statue, it shows how much he loves being that character.
They should just call it the New York City Universe
Joel Was Right
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Lol do you guys remember this
It was pretty awesome when they teamed up
It was pretty awesome when they teamed up
Parallax
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Lol do you guys remember this
It was pretty awesome when they teamed up
no it wasnt.
I demand more toys!
Choppasmith
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You know this is probably better suited for the MCU thread, but since it's been brought up above...
I've been thinking, if Fox owns both X-Men and F4, what are the chances they'd do their own crossover between the two? Maybe try and adapt Fantastic Four vs X-Men.
I've been thinking, if Fox owns both X-Men and F4, what are the chances they'd do their own crossover between the two? Maybe try and adapt Fantastic Four vs X-Men.
Manmademan
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he's going to go back on it eventually though.
The James Bond films traditionally haven't tied into each other- with the exception of the recent films, which were a reboot of the franchise.
the iron man films are not only direct sequels of each other, but tie into other marvel properties. (hulk/Avengers). Eventually continuity will get so ridiculous they WILL reboot these properties.
just a matter of time.
Eventually, you're right, but I think it's a long time between now and then. They can stretch this two decades easily with periodic recasting as needed.
Auron_Kale
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I don't know as the continuity seems to be pretty seamless in the way they're building it. Especially if you include the Marvel One Shots, everyone with MCU seems to extremely conscious of how everything ties together as 'The Consultant' revealed how Tony ended up visiting Gen. Ross in the bar in TIH or simply how all of the post-credit scenes are referenced (or downright integrated in Thor's case) to all the movies.
I merely forsee them recasting rather than rebooting at this point since they seem to be mapping everything while including the easter eggs for all to find had one been paying attention.
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How to divvy up that money though?
Spidey's one character who can be inserted at any time, The Avengers are the universe that has been built up for an entire franchise. Sony would want a substantial cut and no way Marvel would let them have it after doing all the work. Just don't see it happening.
Spidey's one character who can be inserted at any time, The Avengers are the universe that has been built up for an entire franchise. Sony would want a substantial cut and no way Marvel would let them have it after doing all the work. Just don't see it happening.
Auron_Kale
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No way would I want a joint studio venture just to get Spidey in the MCU, I'd rather somehow Sony lose the license really.
Anyways, more Avengers stuff. Built the Lego Quinjet last night and working on these tonight:
Anyways, more Avengers stuff. Built the Lego Quinjet last night and working on these tonight:
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Spiderman and Tony Stark in the same movie would be character overlap at this point. 30 minutes of nonstop wisecracks in every fight.
The Lamonster
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Isn't there a really good Avengers animated series (or movie) out there? Which one is it?
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Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes
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