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P R O M E T H E U S |OT| Ridley Scott goes back to Building Better Worlds
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Glass Rebel
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Look, I don't give a shit, I want to see the movie in English and ASAP.
Damn, was hoping for like an official production shot or something. I have the same screenshot from my own discs as well =P Thanks though. I wish Boyle would come back to scifi...
ShipTheCheese
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Gonna be watching this on IMAX in Melbourne (3rd biggest screen in the world) in 2 weeks' time. Have only seen the one minute trailer and I can-not-fucking-wait to see it!
SCULLIBUNDO
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Boyle needs to go back to working with Alex Garland. Although his next film 'Trance' has Trainspotting's John Hodge as one of the writers.
Brilliant.
Looks like he's doing 28 Months Later? Wonder if Boyle is attached to that
SCULLIBUNDO
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Boyle talked ages ago about doing 28 Months Later. Until it's shooting I wouldn't get your hopes up on it ever happening.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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well I would only get excited if he was actually directing it, not just the EP. Also looks like Boyle is helping to write the Hunger Games sequel lol, at least if wikipedia is to be believed. Anyway, back to Ridley, I should go back to Blade Runner, never did finish watching it.
SCULLIBUNDO
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It is indeed Ripley!
Ashong - Boyle was talking about directing 28 Months Later. He was going to set it in Russia.
You magnificent bastard. I'm taking it.
Not for everyone internationally! I have to wait 2 weeks like the rest of you! Boo!!!
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Nicely done.
I think it's socially irresponsible for people of Jett, Solo and Sculli's stature to change their avatars. They've posted so much that their avatars become a huge part of their identity. I think after 1000 posts you shouldn't be allowed to change your avatar anymore.
I mean, imagine if one day Chinner stopped using that duck avatar. There'd be pandemonium.
I mean, imagine if one day Chinner stopped using that duck avatar. There'd be pandemonium.
SCULLIBUNDO
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My avatar changes never last long anyway. I almost went for Hicks, but decided it wasn't really in keeping with the tone of Prometheus.
Agreed on Orci and Kurtzman, and especially on Abrams. I feel very... manipulated during his movies. ST 09's opening where Kirk's dad sacrifices himself didn't bring out the man tears, but groans. It was so contrived, along with Giacchino's sappy, overbearing score. Super 8's emotional climax was super cheap as well. The stuff with the kids just being kids felt a lot more genuine and sincere than Abram's deliberate attempts to tug at heart strings.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Agent Unknown
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Sorry, gotta disagree. Movie just felt cheesy and over the top with too much humor. Most of the character and plot progression was from people beating the crap out of each other. And Spock was rediculously over emotional and a weird jerk. I call this version Spock-Jerk or "Spork" for short.
Nappuccino
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I have 4,000 posts but I doubt people remember me that well (unless you happened upon that Alien vs Aliens discussion from awhile back)
ViewtifulJC
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Super 8 has Abrams assured direction, and it starts off well enough establishes some fun relationships and dynamics between the kids that the audience can actually give a damn about them, and then suddenly it switches gears to all this paranormal/mystery bullshit that really just distracted from the actual story and the real stakes. It was kinda like watching someone make their own version of E.T. without really understanding why that movie is such a classic.
That I could agree with. Quinto's Spock and Nimroy's Spock are just worlds apart. Nimroy's restrained emotion and delivery made him seem like a zen master. Quinto's version comes off like a serial killer. It's unpleasant.
That I could agree with. Quinto's Spock and Nimroy's Spock are just worlds apart. Nimroy's restrained emotion and delivery made him seem like a zen master. Quinto's version comes off like a serial killer. It's unpleasant.
Good Job Bob
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I feel my Michael Cera avatar was becoming iconic before I had this godawful Whedon avatar laid upon me.
Yeah, yeah, I know.
I like Giacchino's work overall (especially his beginning stuff), but his ST score was too much for me.
Well said. The interactions between the kids was much more compelling than the alien subplot, where the human element is completely dropped. It's a shame somebody didn't realize that much sooner in the scriptwriting stage. But then I guess that sort of movie wouldn't get made in this day and age. It feels like everything needs some angle, bonus points if it's aliens.
This is a slightly different frame, but a bit better jpeg compression from the looks of it.
Your grasp on reality seems loose.
I won't pretend to be impartial. Star Trek XI is like my golden goose, I love it for all it's scripting faults, and all of the notes it attempted to hit landed on me perfectly.
Agent Unknown
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My thoughts exactly. He doesn't respect the audience's intelligence enough. One part I really hated during that scene where Kirk's dad is giving his life is when his wife is trying to suggest names and he laughs and says "Not Tiberius, it's the worst!" Like "A-hyuck! Nudge, nudge dumb audience, here's your laugh sign! It's endearing yet funny because he's about to die yet is unintentionally making an inside reference! You saps eat this kind of cheeky one liner up, right???"
One part I really HATED in Super 8 was during the height of tension in the monster lair scene when the stupid housewife/hair lady wakes up and makes some stupid comedic line about not knowing where she is. Totally killed the tone. I also hated the stoner guy. There's nothing I dislike more than spoon fed corn moments in modern big budget movies.
If I read this much into movies while watching them, I wouldn't enjoy a single one.
Obviously. But when it doesn't feel sincere or justified in doing so, then it's a problem. When a character I barely know bites it or when the soundtrack outweighs the drama of the moment, the director's intended emotional effect is lost. It draws attention to the disconnect between what I'm feeling and what I'm supposed to feel.
Does that sound more reasonable to you?
You and me, one and the same on this stuff.
This is the worst kind of defense. You can be analytical and describe what works/doesn't work for you in a movie without it ruining your enjoyment. All we're doing is putting into words what people are intuitively feeling as they watch something.
Agent Unknown
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I'm glad I care to read enough into movies where I can tell the difference between a director that doesn't take occasional detours to outright pander to the audience and funny lines that actually work and that don't all but wreck otherwise good, pivotal scenes. Don't get me wrong, I really like J.J. Abrams otherwise.
Good Job Bob
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He didn't write the movie, y'know?
SCULLIBUNDO
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It's when the film doesn't do it with a deft hand. It's like it tries to jerk you along with it clumsily, rather than something that feels organic. War Horse is a great example of this. It doesn't really do the leg work required for its big emotional moments to payoff, yet acts like it has.
That said, I disagree with you about Star Trek. I enjoy the hell out of it and can't wait for the sequel.
But yes, Orci and Kurtzman can go get fucked on every other account.
Agent Unknown
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No, but he's the director and is ultimately responsible for what ends up in the movie and the overall tone, y'know?
Good Job Bob
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He did the best with what he was given, the only reason the movie was well-received was because of his direction and the performances; all of your problems stem from the script.
...y'know?
Bingo. When I can see the strings of the puppeteer, it bothers me. An emotional scene doesn't work just because somebody dies and music swells. If it was that easy, anybody could do it. I have to care about the stakes and characters first.
That's fair, I know ST 09 is pretty well-regarded and I can totally understand the reasons why. It's a fun movie. Just not my type of fun.
That makes three.
My personal stance is to not take movies as an intellectual exercise unless it demands it. I don't just let the shit wash over me along with the good, but I also like to keep my imagination inside the movie until after I'm done watching it.
I think we just completely disagree on what was heartfelt and sincere, or overbearing music-wise in Star Trek.
At no point during the George Kirk scene did I try to remove myself from the moment to contemplate if the writing could be slightly less heavy-handed or pandering. I also don't think that I was required to turn my brain off to enjoy it. Like the rest of the movie, I found the performances engaging enough to make the dialogue believable.
This problem was compounded by the fact that Kurtzman and Orci's shooting script was set in stone thanks to the writer's strike. The interactions could have perhaps felt more organic if they could be revised on-set.
Agent Unknown
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I love that part in the Dangerous Days documentary where Ridley says "Well, I didn't like the part where Decard makes a wink-wink one liner about 'counting down Electric Sheep' after shooting a replicant but that's how they wrote the scene and the studio insisted the audience would get a laugh and it'd ease the tension, so what could I do??!"
I'm not exactly a huge fan of the J.J. Abrams stable, but I still enjoyed that one overall. I think it did its job, as a dumb fun movie.
(then again, I never was a huge Star Trek fan...)
Good Job Bob
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Star Trek was never going to be fucking Blade Runner. It's a summer popcorn blockbuster written by Kurtzman and Orci.
Get a grip.
Well, Star Trek wasn't always about dumb summer popcorn fun, so I can see why some would be disappointed. The reboot could have been good science fiction (that is to say, it could have explored interesting ideas).
ViewtifulJC
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But seriously though, if you guys want to hate on Kurtz/Orci movie, we can all just bash Cowboys and Aliens together.
Seriously Daniel Craig had, like...zero characterization in that film. What the hell.
Seriously Daniel Craig had, like...zero characterization in that film. What the hell.
Black Mamba
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Are there going to be any screenings for reviewers before the international release? Just curious.
cannot wait for this one. haven't been excited for a movie like this in a long ass time.
cannot wait for this one. haven't been excited for a movie like this in a long ass time.
Agent Unknown
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No? Really? Just pointing out how lame your "Welp, the director is outta luck and has no control whatsoever with the occasional dumb line in the script" excuse. The point is if more young, modern directors were brave and stood up for themselves like Ridley did on the Blade Runner set, they and their movies would be better for it.
A "popcorn movie" doesn't need to have stupid one liners in order to be entertaining and the Trek franchise is SCIENCE FICTION. It was never supposed to be "popcorn" flick material to BEGIN WITH which makes the forced campy bits and lines of the movie stick out all the more like a sore thumb as they went overboard with the "Ahhhh!!! Must make sure we're separating ourselves from the perceived 'nerd curse' of the old movies as much as possible!!!" Quick, add another funny line so the skeptics don't run out of the theater!!!"
Right, Kurtzman and Orci are crappy screenwriters which is why it's nowhere near as good as it could be. What's your point? Other than "Get a grip movie fan who takes himself too seriously and turn off your brain, it was a fun movie"?
edit: Oh wait, I'm being berated about not eating up cheesy, campy popcorn movie lines with someone who has an avatar that says "Whedon > Cameron." Never mind, my mistake.
Messofanego
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New-found appreciation for her now. Thanks, although not sure if that was the intended effect.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Theron's awesome.
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