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Think Twice, Ponder, Gitaxian Probe, hell, any Phyrexian mana or zero cost spell at all can make this happen. This card is way better than Talara's Battalion IMO.
you would probably have to clarify when they were casting it with regard to the triggers if there's any ambiguity.
They can't target it with a damage source until it has successfully entered the field, thus all other effects would have already resolved.
They couldn't bolt the Fiend Hunter till its ETB ability is already on the stack. You'll have to make the choice of targetting when it gets put on the stack.
If they for some reason decided to use their bolt before the target creature gets exiled it would indeed get exiled forever. But in that situation I'd definitely check with them that that is what they really want to do, since that probably isn't what they intended and I wouldn't want to catch someone on a rules technicality like that.
If they for some reason decided to use their bolt before the target creature gets exiled it would indeed get exiled forever. But in that situation I'd definitely check with them that that is what they really want to do, since that probably isn't what they intended and I wouldn't want to catch someone on a rules technicality like that.
Doing this would cause their creature to be exiled permanently. They'd have to wait until the exile resolves.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
So, act of treason + cloudshift = I get to keep your creature forever.
divisionbyzorro
Member
Fiend Hunter goes on stack. You pass priority. Your opponent can cast Lightning Bolt here if he wants. (EDIT: Obviously he can't target Fiend Hunter on the stack, but he could hit your face or another creature.) He probably doesn't and passes back.
Fiend Hunter leaves stack and enters battlefield. Fiend Hunter's ETB ability goes on the stack. You declare the target and pass priority. Note that your opponent never had priority to bolt the Fiend Hunter before you declared the target.
If your opponent Lightning Bolts your Fiend Hunter when he gets priority, the LTB ability will go on the stack and will resolve before the ETB ability, which, as we all know, will cause the creature targeted by the ETB ability to be exiled permanently. So your opponent probably doesn't want to do that. He wants to wait until the ETB ability resolves, then bolt the Fiend Hunter when he gets priority again.
Cloudshift = best card ever.
OneEightZero
aka ThreeOneFour
That first part can't happen anyways. The Lightening Bolt can't target the Fiend Hunter until it's on the battlefield. After it leaves the stack.
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Nobody building any new decks with the new cards or anything?
Nobody building any new decks with the new cards or anything?
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I'm going to start this weekend. Going to start with a "give me all your shit" deck. Traitorous Blood, Fiend Hunter, Zealous Conscripts, Act of Aggression and Cloudshifts.
Sounds like a ton of fun to play, honestly
echoshifting
Banned
The new red vamps in AVR inspired me to build a mono red deck about them, which dominated last weekend. The pressure those fuckers can put on when every vamp on the board has the classic Sengir +1/+1 potential is nuts! Dangerous Wager is an incredibly solid card for an aggro deck, too. I have a G/B deathtouch/soulbond/undying deck and a mono blue flight deck as well, but I haven't had a chance to test them yet. We've been playing a lot of limited lately.
I have some higher concept decks in mind but they've all flopped pretty hard so far. When that happens to me I typically fall back on mono decks and simple strategies for awhile to get a better feel for a set. Next up is a Bower Passage deck, but I haven't even settled on a second color yet.
What's that Duels 2013 screen?
You have a separate tab on the Campaign menu for challenges? Oh, you shouldn't have.
More screens from the iPad version here: http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29134009/iPad_Screenshots Oh, and I guess they put out a gameplay trailer earlier this week: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww7mx2uUr6g It shockingly looks like Magic. And has multiple Titans featured. -_-
You have a separate tab on the Campaign menu for challenges? Oh, you shouldn't have.
More screens from the iPad version here: http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29134009/iPad_Screenshots Oh, and I guess they put out a gameplay trailer earlier this week: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww7mx2uUr6g It shockingly looks like Magic. And has multiple Titans featured. -_-
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Even if it could it would be implied they would never want to. I've done it hastily in response but it's because unless they have a counter it dies and as a result it's irrelevant who they choose and it saves time.
Would you be willing to post the list? I'm really curious what your vamps deck looks like.
A new ruling has been released regarding Cavern of Souls. Apparantly it came via the judge mailing list (since it's not on daily mtg), but it's legit. Confirmed via a tweet from @MagicJudges
Basically, where before you had to explicitly say that the mana was intended to be used for a creature, now it is assumed to be used for it unless otherwise stated.
MagicJudges said:
Basically, where before you had to explicitly say that the mana was intended to be used for a creature, now it is assumed to be used for it unless otherwise stated.
Got Gisela out once but she got banishing stroked the following turn. Got blown out first round, but I got some awesome cards so no complaints here.
EDIT: Also burn at the stake is awesome, especially with thatcher revolt.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Meh, it's better that way so no real complaint.
Edit: Still can't decide on what to play this friday at standard. :/
narcosis219
Member
Playing liquimetal phoenix just makes me so happy. Gonna go buy it soon.
I need to get off cockatrice. I fall in love with every deck I could possibly like AND THEN THEY TAKE ALL MY MONEY.
At least liquimetal phoenix is budget. I gotta stop lol.
EDIT: Hey, can someone explain why exactly a "gain control until EOT" and cloudshift would result in you keeping the card permanently? Does the "return it under your control" make it yours forever? What happens until the "until EOT" effect of the card you used to steal it?
I need to get off cockatrice. I fall in love with every deck I could possibly like AND THEN THEY TAKE ALL MY MONEY.
At least liquimetal phoenix is budget. I gotta stop lol.
EDIT: Hey, can someone explain why exactly a "gain control until EOT" and cloudshift would result in you keeping the card permanently? Does the "return it under your control" make it yours forever? What happens until the "until EOT" effect of the card you used to steal it?
divisionbyzorro
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I haven't done a real draft yet, but I swear I end up R/W in 80% of the practice drafts I've done. Based on my completely uneducated analysis, R/W and U/G seem to be the strongest color types.
When you exile the creature, it no longer exists, and returns as a "different" creature. The effect which applied to the first creature does not apply to the second.
The same would be true for, say Giant Growth. If you Giant Growth a creature, then Cloudshift it, it does not come back down with +3/+3.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Okay now that's really coo-
The fuck?
That seems like the better way to do it. I'm always in support of there being less moments where you can be like "HE DIDN'T SAY X THEREFORE Y. JUDGE!!!!"
divisionbyzorro
Member
Planechase has always been a more casual way to play. I believe they're adding it to DotP 2013, much like the shitty Archenemy mode in 2012.
http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Planechase
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Keru_Shiri
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What's that Duels 2013 screen?
You have a separate tab on the Campaign menu for challenges? Oh, you shouldn't have.
More screens from the iPad version here: http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29134009/iPad_Screenshots Oh, and I guess they put out a gameplay trailer earlier this week: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww7mx2uUr6g It shockingly looks like Magic. And has multiple Titans featured. -_-
Shandalar? That's an obscure reference.
narcosis219
Member
You might be "Planeswalking" during the campaign, and you fight those 4 dudes in Shandalar. Or something. Looks like those locked locations are planes
I knew it sounded familiar so I had to look it up. I used to LOVE playing that game on our old Pentium I.
Keru_Shiri
Member
I have a copy of that game... somewhere. It was kind of buggy though. I remember discovering that you can tap the CPU's lands in some cases and inflict mana burn.
Enordash
Member
Okay now that's really coo-
It's like this card was made specifically for me. I love everything about it.
echoshifting
Banned
Looks like I'm buying that planechase set! I still run blue ninjas every once in awhile, that card is awesome.
Sure, it's still pretty rough though. Need to do a little shopping on its behalf. I need some of those red 1cc vamps (Stromkirk Noble). I was definitely happy with its early performance, though. Markov Blademaster is now one of my favorite 3cc creatures.
Bloodsuckers
60 cards
Creatures (19)
Falkenrath Exterminator x4
Erdwal Ripper x2
Markov Blademaster x4
Rakish Heir x4
Havengul Vampire x3
Falkenrath Marauders x2
Spells (18)
Shock x3
Curse of Stalked Prey x2
Dangerous Wager x3
Nightbird's Clutches x4
Vampiric Fury x4
Trepanation Blade x2
Lands (23)
Cavern of Souls x1
Mountain x22
Sure, it's still pretty rough though. Need to do a little shopping on its behalf. I need some of those red 1cc vamps (Stromkirk Noble). I was definitely happy with its early performance, though. Markov Blademaster is now one of my favorite 3cc creatures.
Bloodsuckers
60 cards
Creatures (19)
Falkenrath Exterminator x4
Erdwal Ripper x2
Markov Blademaster x4
Rakish Heir x4
Havengul Vampire x3
Falkenrath Marauders x2
Spells (18)
Shock x3
Curse of Stalked Prey x2
Dangerous Wager x3
Nightbird's Clutches x4
Vampiric Fury x4
Trepanation Blade x2
Lands (23)
Cavern of Souls x1
Mountain x22
divisionbyzorro
Member
Trepanation Blade - why?
echoshifting
Banned
I just threw those in, haven't run 'em yet. I think they'll work nicely with Vampiric Fury and Markov Blademaster.
I didn't realize until I started running them that -
1) Blademasters get two counters if they get through to the player
2) They get the counter(s) from their first attack before they damage with their second
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Hmm, maybe I'll try building a vampire deck again... I wish I had better boxes to organize my cards though, I'll just have to buy one of those five row boxes online I guess. My cards are so messy now that I get halfway to making a deck and then quit because I don't want to hunt for the cards anymore.
Edit: $20 for those boxes is retarded...
Edit: $20 for those boxes is retarded...
I find it both amusing and annoying that I was the only one in my group of friends to be hyped up on Champion of Lambholt at release...and now the majority of my friends are running decks with a playset. He's just nasty, the kind of creature you hold a gutshot for. Bonding him with wolfir silverheart is almost a guaranteed game over. Turn one bird, turn two champion, turn three huntmaster, turn four wolfir, turn five thanks for playing.
I am so bored of human decks though, I threw together a tempered steel deck and added some hex parasites to deal with the counters.
I am so bored of human decks though, I threw together a tempered steel deck and added some hex parasites to deal with the counters.
echoshifting
Banned
Oooo, I was hoping for a use for my new Huntmasters that didn't involve 20 DFCs. Thanks!
Likewise, I am trading a lot of my human staples away.
Likewise, I am trading a lot of my human staples away.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Is R/G Aggro really that good? It just feels slow...
I've been using this decklist:
I've been using this decklist:
Is R/G Aggro really that good? It just feels slow...
I've been using this decklist:
Stick those champions in there and see how good it can be.
Although Green/White humans with champions seems a little stronger, I'm modifying the deck (my friends been using it) to hopefully make it a bit more competitive with G/W.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Champion of the parish in a R/G?
Champion of lambholt
Gets bigger for each creature you play and opponents can't block your creatures if their power is less than the champions. It's surprising how fast he can grow and make all your creatures unblockable.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Ah, I forgot about him. Is he better than the wolfir avenger though? It would seem I could only keep one of the two.
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