Yes. In the current E7AO world, all IFOs are entirely machine based, as far as anyone can tell. There's obviously something special about Nirvash, but the actual physical component is all mechanical. They even mention that it's been rebuilt with parts from all over the world.
Eureka Seven Astral Ocean |OT| "Don't fight it, feel it"
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Yes. In the current E7AO world, all IFOs are entirely machine based, as far as anyone can tell. There's obviously something special about Nirvash, but the actual physical component is all mechanical. They even mention that it's been rebuilt with parts from all over the world.
oh god, I thought I had lost my mind and that I was the only one :'(
Ok allow me to expand on that earlier comment.
The problem with this episode is that the transition scenes and the editing in general, makes this episode all over the place. You see quick scenes of characters without any sense of location or time. It might have been more effective to follow Truth in his assault on the base rather than just seeing his 'hit and run' attacks. This continues on into the second half,
In short, not a god damn thing of this series makes any fucking sense. The animation quality also dipped here, there, everywhere. Although this did look cool:
Too bad it got stuck in the ass end of this episode.
The problem with this episode is that the transition scenes and the editing in general, makes this episode all over the place. You see quick scenes of characters without any sense of location or time. It might have been more effective to follow Truth in his assault on the base rather than just seeing his 'hit and run' attacks. This continues on into the second half,
where it's some weird dream that continues that idea that the time and locations are off. This was probably done on purpose to give this whole episode some weird feel where the audience doesn't know what's going on similar to Acperience 1 in the original series. The problem with the dream sequence though is that we're switching perspectives and the show does a terrible job of doing this. If they had focused primarily on Ao and Naru then we could say that it was indeed Ao's dream all the way, the problem is with Gazelle's sequence in the dream. Ao has very little interest in that and so my guess is that Ao was watching real life events from some weird god-perspective rather than it being a dream. However there are issues with this such as the whole mech sequence, although I guess you can say it was Ao inserting his wish-fulfillment in stopping Truth into his reality-perceiving dream.
Then there are the characters. We had relatively big revelations on the character front that I'm trying to make heads/tails of. The first is that Rebecca is a spy of sorts working for some unknown party, who runs a spy ring I guess, with Stanley as her boss. The fact that she says the "Americans don't know" implies she is separate from the Americans and thus has a spy ring there or they are giving her the information freely. This however contradicts the earlier episode where she was willing to shoot Gazelle and crew when they were blackmailing President Blanc. I thought she was doing that to protect Blanc but now I have no clue. It also raises questions of who really is running Gen Bleu as it seems Blanc is only a figurehead.
Then there is Elena who seems to be a mix of characters from other shows and really has no purpose in any of this. First she's an otaku spokeperson and now she is a singer straight out of Macross. I guess it does explain her interest in music but it seems they are planning on doing more with her with Truth's line about her singing the truth(not that I have any fucking clue what that means).
Then there is Truth in of himself. It looks like Truth was planning on running into Eureka himself but obviously got stopped by Ao. He then goes and NTRs Naru but after talking with her, just drops her off and runs by himself in a very weird sequence. If he was planning on either kidnapping her or talking with her in private then he should have taken her with him. Then there is his true being, being that of the Smoke Monster. Weirdly enough it seems that they're trying not to depict him as the bad guy in this. Him murdering all those people seem to be in his mind not that big of a deal as the world is incorrect anyway. They also show him protecting Naru as well as not murdering any of the main characters despite very easily being able to do so.
Then Naru magically gains the ability of flight. To which I have no fucking idea except she is now aware of the 'truth' of this universe and now has abilities similar to goddamn Neo. Also where on Earth(or other Earths) did they go? Did they pop into the correct universe?
Also there is theEND being locked in the basement. That part felt straight ripped out of Evangelion. theEnd was destroyed though in the original series so I have no clue what to make of this.
Finally, why was Gazelle throwing up in the bathroom? His crew said it was because he met Rebecca but the timeframe for that sequence is way way off.
Then there are the characters. We had relatively big revelations on the character front that I'm trying to make heads/tails of. The first is that Rebecca is a spy of sorts working for some unknown party, who runs a spy ring I guess, with Stanley as her boss. The fact that she says the "Americans don't know" implies she is separate from the Americans and thus has a spy ring there or they are giving her the information freely. This however contradicts the earlier episode where she was willing to shoot Gazelle and crew when they were blackmailing President Blanc. I thought she was doing that to protect Blanc but now I have no clue. It also raises questions of who really is running Gen Bleu as it seems Blanc is only a figurehead.
Then there is Elena who seems to be a mix of characters from other shows and really has no purpose in any of this. First she's an otaku spokeperson and now she is a singer straight out of Macross. I guess it does explain her interest in music but it seems they are planning on doing more with her with Truth's line about her singing the truth(not that I have any fucking clue what that means).
Then there is Truth in of himself. It looks like Truth was planning on running into Eureka himself but obviously got stopped by Ao. He then goes and NTRs Naru but after talking with her, just drops her off and runs by himself in a very weird sequence. If he was planning on either kidnapping her or talking with her in private then he should have taken her with him. Then there is his true being, being that of the Smoke Monster. Weirdly enough it seems that they're trying not to depict him as the bad guy in this. Him murdering all those people seem to be in his mind not that big of a deal as the world is incorrect anyway. They also show him protecting Naru as well as not murdering any of the main characters despite very easily being able to do so.
Then Naru magically gains the ability of flight. To which I have no fucking idea except she is now aware of the 'truth' of this universe and now has abilities similar to goddamn Neo. Also where on Earth(or other Earths) did they go? Did they pop into the correct universe?
Also there is theEND being locked in the basement. That part felt straight ripped out of Evangelion. theEnd was destroyed though in the original series so I have no clue what to make of this.
Finally, why was Gazelle throwing up in the bathroom? His crew said it was because he met Rebecca but the timeframe for that sequence is way way off.
In short, not a god damn thing of this series makes any fucking sense. The animation quality also dipped here, there, everywhere. Although this did look cool:
Too bad it got stuck in the ass end of this episode.
Don't you hate G-Gundam too?
I can't remember enough to hate it. I did remember as a kid liking the fuck out of it. The ending was so good in a 'what-the-fuck am I watching but who the hell cares' sort of way.
Maybe it was someone else. I gotta find the G-Gundam haters and strike them down.
Anyway, I think you're over-thinking the episode a bit too much. It makes sense in the context of the show itself, stop trying to find out how it links to the previous series, because they probably won't reveal it until the end of the show. And a lot of the episode was misdirection.
It wasn't Ao's dream alone actually, but a collective distortion of reality. At the end you see that what happened in the "dream" really actually happened in some ways in real life too. Truth is able to distort reality and bend time and space. That's why the sequence didn't focus on Ao alone.
Jex
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Don't you hate G-Gundam too?
I am pretty sure that's jman2050.
In AO's defense, since this is more of a mystery story than the original series, stuff not making sense only seven episodes in doesn't seem like such a big deal. It's obvious that they're really keeping the connections with the original series close to the vest, and I think that's affecting the overall coherency of the storyline, particularly on a week by week basis. It almost seems like the overall flow of the story will improve once the entire series is available to watch within a few sittings.
Still enjoyed this week's episode quite a bit. Maybe it's because I've only just discovered the original series, but going from Eureka Seven straight into Astral Ocean so far feels like a pretty natural and organic progression. Can't wait to see where it all goes.
Still enjoyed this week's episode quite a bit. Maybe it's because I've only just discovered the original series, but going from Eureka Seven straight into Astral Ocean so far feels like a pretty natural and organic progression. Can't wait to see where it all goes.
I honestly have no idea how you can come to that conclusion
It's not a logical conclusion; the show just doesn't feel inconsistent or off-putting to me. Particularly in terms of the setting, which is where a lot of the criticism seems focused.
Episode 50 of the original series ended with
a bunch of the Corallians leaving for a new universe, which is most likely where Astral Ocean takes place.
Apart from that, I find Ao's character pretty compelling, and the mystery surrounding Eureka keeps the two series feeling connected.
Edit:
On second thought, maybe natural and organic weren't the best words. I just mean that it feels within the continuity of the original series, even if it's technically in
another universe.
TheVampire
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I just wish they would hurry up and explain how this is linked to the first series.
And where renton and eurkea are.
And where renton and eurkea are.
It's a 24 episode series. If there is a link, they will be saving that for the end.
Maybe it was someone else. I gotta find the G-Gundam haters and strike them down.
Anyway, I think you're over-thinking the episode a bit too much. It makes sense in the context of the show itself, stop trying to find out how it links to the previous series, because they probably won't reveal it until the end of the show. And a lot of the episode was misdirection.It wasn't Ao's dream alone actually, but a collective distortion of reality. At the end you see that what happened in the "dream" really actually happened in some ways in real life too. Truth is able to distort reality and bend time and space. That's why the sequence didn't focus on Ao alone.
The problem I have with the show so far, other than not knowing how this ties to the original series, is that there are way too many players in the show and not enough delving into individual parties. We have the Japanese forces, the Allied Forces/America, Okinawa(although that party and plot thread seems to be completely gone now), the mysterious body that Rebecca/Stanley are working for, and Truth and whatever is going on with him. There is also the Secrets on top of this. There are way too many plot threads going on and instead of focusing on a couple, it seems rather spread-shot. That was a big problem I had with Xam'd as well(although Xam'd had a shitload of other issues as well). I mean the show seems pretty ambitious even for a 24 episode series if they want to explore all the parties and create a meaningful tie-in to the original series.
I did like how a lot of things tied in thematically into the title such as Elena's side job, Rebecca's side job, Naru, Gazelle and Truth. Everybody, except Fleur I guess, has some sort of alternate/secret life. It's about duel personalities I guess and Truth really was the epitomy of that with the audience seeing him killing people but also protecting Naru.
I just don't know how they are going to tie everything together and that's not even including the stuff related to the original. It just seems like halfway through they are going to drop a lot of these plot threads, without proper development, and focus mainly on the issue with Truth.
Episode 7
Wtf just happened?!
I thought we'd get some answers to at least a couple things, but instead this episode injected even more questions along some NTR for poor Ao
Also wtf was that thing shown at the end of the episode?
Wtf just happened?!
I thought we'd get some answers to at least a couple things, but instead this episode injected even more questions along some NTR for poor Ao
but how much of that dream is exactly what happened/Naru's feelings and how much is just fantasy?
Okay, there's NO question about it.
: http://i.imgur.com/SyIZo.jpg
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It's DEFINITELY the same design. Omg omg omg omg.
Nirvash Type The End; E7 Ep48
The Coral Relic (?); E7AO Ep7
It's DEFINITELY the same design. Omg omg omg omg.
OMG indeed!
you forgot Airboarding
Episode 7
NTR NTR NTR NTR NTR. I thought this episode was interesting though, pretty ok overall. Parts of the episode were a little jaring in the latter stages, but it makes sense given the context of
NTR NTR NTR NTR NTR. I thought this episode was interesting though, pretty ok overall. Parts of the episode were a little jaring in the latter stages, but it makes sense given the context of
it being a dream sequence essentially. Looks like The End is going to make an appearance.
Dedication Through Light
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Ep 7
For such an enigmatic character, they really made him as interesting and cool as Ao. I really do want to know about this truth that he is pursuing. One scene I almost thought he was gonna sing. Nevertheless, epic abilities.
Plot wise
I guess since I didnt see the first series the shocked with the
went above my head.
Interesting if this anime is an alternate universe. Oh and I liked the coloring that went on in the
, emphasized greens.
For such an enigmatic character, they really made him as interesting and cool as Ao. I really do want to know about this truth that he is pursuing. One scene I almost thought he was gonna sing. Nevertheless, epic abilities.
Plot wise
why after Nalu, she has been and is just so boring that Im shocked they actually are trying to center stuff around her. Can't she just remain on the island while Ao, Truth and everyone else in Generation Blue etc do stuff. Trying to bring romance feels odd, when we ought to be building friendship and camaraderie with Generation Blue and co. Regardless, ignoring that tiny moment, everything else in the episode was solid to amazing.
I guess since I didnt see the first series the shocked with the
image in that tablet of what the base is hiding
Interesting if this anime is an alternate universe. Oh and I liked the coloring that went on in the
dream
seems like most people that havent seen the first one like the new one more
DEAD RABBIT
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Damn...
Once I saw one Evangelion reference, I have been seeing them every-fucking-where. Even a small hint of Gunbuster (which is a plus in my book).
- Only kids can control mechs.
- Only Ao can control Nirvash, which his mother/Eureka left to him.
- All pilots except Ao are girls.
- Pilots are in skintight suits.
- Cockpits look kinda like entry plugs.
- Big military base with a civilian population inside.
- Military Organization with sole purpose to protect Earth and the sole means of destroying the mysterious enemies, called Angl...Secrets!
- Secrets have similar abstract look to Angels.
- Bos/underbos characters, some similar support staff characters.
- Truth character similar to Kaworu.
- Naru similarity to Rei.
- Georg A.I. similarity to MAGI.
- Critter-koala-look-a-like similarity to Penpen.
- Supersecret Mech hidden under the base.
- Zone of Action concept... sounds like an AT-field.
- probably many more references...
I know E7 has some similarities to Evangelion, but only similarities, the concepts were wildly different and stood on their own. Here it feels wrong somehow, too many similarities and feels very forced. This can be very problematic for the show to set its own tone.
Once I saw one Evangelion reference, I have been seeing them every-fucking-where. Even a small hint of Gunbuster (which is a plus in my book).
- Only kids can control mechs.
- Only Ao can control Nirvash, which his mother/Eureka left to him.
- All pilots except Ao are girls.
- Pilots are in skintight suits.
- Cockpits look kinda like entry plugs.
- Big military base with a civilian population inside.
- Military Organization with sole purpose to protect Earth and the sole means of destroying the mysterious enemies, called Angl...Secrets!
- Secrets have similar abstract look to Angels.
- Bos/underbos characters, some similar support staff characters.
- Truth character similar to Kaworu.
- Naru similarity to Rei.
- Georg A.I. similarity to MAGI.
- Critter-koala-look-a-like similarity to Penpen.
- Supersecret Mech hidden under the base.
- Zone of Action concept... sounds like an AT-field.
- probably many more references...
I know E7 has some similarities to Evangelion, but only similarities, the concepts were wildly different and stood on their own. Here it feels wrong somehow, too many similarities and feels very forced. This can be very problematic for the show to set its own tone.
Well there goes my idea about it being a time skip back in time. It definitely can't be some weird prequel to the series with that little bit.
I disagree on two counts. First off the music has been phenomenal for the most part. The other is about the plot. AO has been much more ambitious in regards to the plot compared to the original. I'll give you the characters though even though Ao is a much better lead compared to early Renton.
I would like to address some of this. I definitely agree with some of these but the ones I bolded, I disagree with. There are definitely a lot of similarities but I think the underlying reasons for some of this are going to be pretty different compared to EVA.
Yupp. This is pretty much exactly how I'm feeling at this point, as well.
However...
This is true, too (not sure if you were serious, though). Eureka Seven's atmosphere really nailed the feeling of a unique culture on board the Gecko. I really miss that "sky-surfer" feel. Yah, Astral Ocean still has the Nirvash and the trapar waves, but the show doesn't really embrace that feeling of an actual culture surrounding all of it, nor do they offer up anything else in its place.
Oh I definitely agree. The whole show was more organic from the trapar itself, the atmosphere, the mech designs and the Gekko itself and also the nature of the characters. I remember one of the producers(I think it was a producer) said the show was going for a militaristic feel compared to the original and it definitely can be felt. There is a bigger attention to detail and politics compared to the original. In a way it's almost showing opposite perspectives with the first series showing the counter-culture and this one showing the military. In fact continuing with that thread, the second series feels very much like it's placed in the Cold War. You have Truth acting like the CIA in those countries in episode 6 with his Contra-like sequence, the whole aspect of spies everywhere, independence movements of minor territories similar to early post-WWII and Gen Bleu being a more powerful and effective form of the UN(which wouldn't make it the UN I guess) in that it acts as an international body that responds to international incidents.
its also the fact that the setting just isnt as interesting
instead of skyfish, lifting, weird heavy creature that anemone has, unknown geography etc
we get flying cars and bizarre politics in Okinawa
That's because the setting is more realistic. The farther away something is from reality, the easier it is disconnect real-world knowledge and immerse yourself in that world. That being said, I wonder if the series might have a serious shift in settings, going to back to the original world possibly, half-way through the series.
DEAD RABBIT
Member
Just to make sure, I am not saying Eva is perfectly original either. It is just that so many elements in E7AO look and sound similar to Eva, that I have serious doubts of the artistic inspiration behind this show.
Also, as already remarked in this thread, the lack of E7's original atmosphere is worrisome. It rubs me the wrong way, since there isn't anything similar in E7's spirit replacing it.
I'm agreeing for the most part. There were just some things I wanted to point out. I literally laughed when they talked about the thing in the basement as it is straight out of EVA and they should know it considering they are using EVA references by Elena.
Not to break up the speculation, but I thought I'd report back from the Eureka Seven AO & Shigeto Koyama panel. It was pretty nice to see the first three episodes up on a big screen. Here are some of the things that got brought up in the Q&A, transcribed from my meager notes:
- during one of the first few questions, Koyama asked the audience who had seen the original E7 and about two-thirds of the room put their hands up, to which he responded with "ooh, sugoi!"
- apparently he was the one who designed the Compac Drive from E7 (along with that ramen-delivery box thing that Renton used on occasion)
- they deliberately avoided using CG for AO not just to keep the feel of the original E7, but also, according to Bones lead Masahiko Minami, mecha animation should be done by hand, especially since the more that stuff goes to 3DCG, the less there is to do for many talented animators, so the hand-drawn stuff helps their careers keep going
- one person tried asking a question about what the AO universe is, which Koyama dodged skillfuly, though he did note that AO is for both fans of the original E7 and newcomers alike, and that even just the first three episodes have many hints and foreshadowing
- asked why he keeps doing mecha shows, Koyama says he himself loves mecha anime; he mentioned that he likes Wings of Honneamise, but when he watched it as a kid his reaction was "why isn't there a robot in this?" He wouldn't mind having a chance to do a bishoujo/moe series though
- he has a lot of respect for mecha designers from the 80s
- someone asked him if he'd rather pilot an EVA or LFO, which made him laugh; he said that an LFO would probably be easier to pilot and that he probably wouldn't be able to properly sychronize with an EVA anyway
- for TV shows, the most difficult designs are those that appear in the first episodes, since there's the least feedback available on how well they work with the show -- for example, Ao's hairstyle went through many many revisions before they finalized it
And that's what I managed to write down. Sadly I didn't win one of the autographed raffle prizes they had (awesome huge promotional AO posters), but it was still a good panel and I'm looking forward to his other two later this weekend. If there's any questions you guys have let me know and I'll try to see if I can get them in!
- during one of the first few questions, Koyama asked the audience who had seen the original E7 and about two-thirds of the room put their hands up, to which he responded with "ooh, sugoi!"
- apparently he was the one who designed the Compac Drive from E7 (along with that ramen-delivery box thing that Renton used on occasion)
- they deliberately avoided using CG for AO not just to keep the feel of the original E7, but also, according to Bones lead Masahiko Minami, mecha animation should be done by hand, especially since the more that stuff goes to 3DCG, the less there is to do for many talented animators, so the hand-drawn stuff helps their careers keep going
- one person tried asking a question about what the AO universe is, which Koyama dodged skillfuly, though he did note that AO is for both fans of the original E7 and newcomers alike, and that even just the first three episodes have many hints and foreshadowing
- asked why he keeps doing mecha shows, Koyama says he himself loves mecha anime; he mentioned that he likes Wings of Honneamise, but when he watched it as a kid his reaction was "why isn't there a robot in this?" He wouldn't mind having a chance to do a bishoujo/moe series though
- he has a lot of respect for mecha designers from the 80s
- someone asked him if he'd rather pilot an EVA or LFO, which made him laugh; he said that an LFO would probably be easier to pilot and that he probably wouldn't be able to properly sychronize with an EVA anyway
- for TV shows, the most difficult designs are those that appear in the first episodes, since there's the least feedback available on how well they work with the show -- for example, Ao's hairstyle went through many many revisions before they finalized it
And that's what I managed to write down. Sadly I didn't win one of the autographed raffle prizes they had (awesome huge promotional AO posters), but it was still a good panel and I'm looking forward to his other two later this weekend. If there's any questions you guys have let me know and I'll try to see if I can get them in!
Yay! Thanks.
BONES keeping all the mecha animators in the industry in their dungeon exclusively, confirmed. It's hilarious how Minami can say they need to give mecha animators MORE WORK, when everyone else is saying that there AREN'T ENOUGH mecha animators.
Crazy twists coming. Confirmed.
Fuck this man. I used to be a fan, but now he's off my friend list for good. Insulting Honneamise like that.
That's just his way of saying he doesn't have mommy issues~
At this point im hoping they just make it as insane as possible
Thing is I enjoyed the original for its great worldbuilding, likeable cast of characters and cool mecha fights. So far, I feel like the show hasn't been delivering in these regards as much as I'd like and all this 'mysterious and enigmatic plot threads abound!' shit is hardly an acceptable substitute for me.
I'm still enjoying the show, mind you, but I've had to temper my expectations somewhat.
I'm still enjoying the show, mind you, but I've had to temper my expectations somewhat.
In short, not a god damn thing of this series makes any fucking sense. The animation quality also dipped here, there, everywhere. Although this did look cool:
Too bad it got stuck in the ass end of this episode.
Watching a super fast air surfing robot chase after a flying van is hilarious.
Fuck this man. I used to be a fan, but now he's off my friend list for good. Insulting Honneamise like that.
He didn't say anything wrong. It is true that every show can benefit from giant super robots.
Someone on 4chan noticed something very interesting in episode 7:
Nirvash's cockpit during the dream sequence is totally different, closer the first series look and 3-seater. Pic : http://i.minus.com/jRz1SmoJigkvF.jpg
My current take on it is
that isn't Nirvash, but just some FP which is lying around. It's not even a mech. It's a big fat vehicle which Ao jumps into thinking it's Nirvash, and because it's a semi-dream reality, it turns into Nirvash after it flies behind a building.
well
not only is the 3 seater still very different looking
The nirvash transformed into something completely different at the end of E7
Do you guys like this series so far? Haven't started it yet.
Duckroll I take your opinion highly.
I'm no Duckroll, but reception seems to change week by week. Chances are the first couple episodes will grab you, but people seem mixed on the few that follow. Overall, I'd still say the reception's been pretty positive. It's more of a mystery show than Eureka Seven, so it's hard to really judge it without knowing some of the answers. My own take so far is that the plot is strong (or, at the very least, ambitious), and Ao's a very compelling lead, but I miss the supporting cast and atmosphere of the original series. Then again, Jarmel posted some pretty strong analysis on the change of atmosphere a few posts back that I think is worth taking into account.
Overall, it's still a Eureka Seven series; why not give it a shot?
Dedication Through Light
Member
Do you guys like this series so far? Haven't started it yet.
Duckroll I take your opinion highly.
I think its been going up and up, and I like it quite a bit now. The difference that was experienced when the anime gets focused on the Secrets and incorporating a human antagonist made the anime pretty cool now.
Though I didn't see the original, but think this AO is a pretty good original entry and seems way more compelling than it.
I solved the mystery.
It's just a random FP which exists in the world. It was there because either Ao or Truth remembered seeing it before, and used it as part of the dream world.
This craft was in the background in some scenes at the end of ep4
http://i.imgur.com/3ia7O.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ciDAd.jpg
This is the 3-seater craft Ao is piloting in the dream before it "turns" into Nirvash
http://i.imgur.com/msEya.jpg
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