Sony spent 2 minutes on Vita during their conference, when they should have spent AT LEAST 15 minutes on it. It's first E3 and they completely ignore it, while Nintendo are having an hour conference just for 3DS software. Of course people are predicting doom and gloom for the Vita after that what the hell did you expect!?
Does PS Vita exist / Lack of Vita games at E3
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There are games on the show floor. They will be demoing them at E3.
Just because they weren't in the Press Conf doesn't automatically mean they don't count.
I will agree that they could have handled it better but it's not make it or lose it moment.
IF they really were in trouble they would cut the price which they don't seem to be doing.
Sony's marketing isn't always the greatest, but if you really want to find game you will find them.
The system is bombing hard in sales. With third parties looking at the software sales, they would hold off any game development until the situation improves, hence the delayed games we have had by the bucketload. As more third parties do this, it's up to first party development to show the games and inspire faith in the platform.
Now we come to the awkward bit about Sony's E3 conference....2 minutes is all the Vita got.
Was the same for the 3DS last year.
Was also the same for 360 exclusives the last couple years.
It's always "wait until 'instert date here' you'll see there will be games!"
Thing is, most times the games do arrive. 3DS sucked for games during its first year, and you know why? Because games take time to make, who would have thought??
Vita is going through its year 1 drought. Actually not really. Gravity Rush hits next week, LBP sometime this summer, then All Stars, Sly, AC3, COD and so on. There are plenty of games coming, especially for a system in its first year.
What Sony messed up on was not talking about them.
PopcornMegaphone
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How can you possibly spin it any other way? It's the most important conference of the year and they spent like 5 minutes hyping it. You don't do that to a poorly performing platform you're interested in saving.
Also, I never said it was going to be canceled soon.
Sony DIDN'T get third party publishers on board. That is the entire problem right there.
ShyGuy0504
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I'm really considering getting the AC bundle. But reading this thread is discouraging me. 
AranhaHunter
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To me it's pretty simple, if Sony devotes less than 5 minutes to the device, then why should consumers believe there's anything to look forward to?
The proof is in the pudding, no new games announced and out of the 3 big 3rd party IPs, we got one no mention (Bioshock), one name and logo and still no gameplay (COD), and one 10 second trailer and no gameplay footage (AC).
I'm honestly baffled how some people are trying to spin this as positive somehow.
Supposedly for sometime this month, but given the last Vita heave and E3......I wouldn't hold my breath on getting anything there.
I'm really considering getting the AC bundle. But reading this thread is discouraging me.
May sell my Vita just to pick up the white one
I'm really considering getting the AC bundle. But reading this thread is discouraging me.
there's that making me discouraged at life thread
I'm really considering getting the AC bundle. But reading this thread is discouraging me.
Read the lists posted previously. Check the released games. If there are 5 games you would love to play, the system is worth buying. EBay/Craigslist/Trade-in always minimises your risk.
Nintendo pushed hard, really hard, the 3DS during 2011 E3 though. They showed everyone they weren't giving up. They even formally apologized to early adopters. I saw even Iwata bowing down to me! It was not unreasonable to expect Sony to dedicate more than 5 minutes to the Vita during their E3 presentation.
No E3 is ONLY the 90 mins you have on stage. All the other announcements don't count because they don't happen on stage! Don't you know that by now?
UntoldDreams
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You make it sound like "groveling" is required for your video game "love".
Those 90 minutes are what people will remember after E3, and they spent more time on MOVE than Vita. That says it all. Yes they have lots of titles on the show floor but almost no-one here even knows that which shows how well Sony communicated at the conference about the Vita. They sent the thing out to die today and I can't see how anyone can say differently.
Well those 90 minutes are the place to announce the things that are most interesting and exciting for the public and benefit the company's future.
blame space
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I like how mods had to edit the title for the children
PopcornMegaphone
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That conference is watched by a huge number of gamers and people in the industry all over the world. It's Sony's single most important gaming event of the year. However:
They spent 5 minutes on a troubled platform they launched 4 months ago.
Seriously, Sony showed their hand with Vita tonight. I'm pretty shocked how they handled it.
Pushed hard? They showed games we knew about and dropped the price, admitting to their arrogance. I love My 3DS but push or no push that first year was rough, and no I'm not talking about sales.
But yeah, as I said, Sony messed up by not talking about the games because the games do exist.
UntoldDreams
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I completely adore the Vita. My living room TV is basically no longer under my control (thx honey).
The Vita is a real life saver in this case.
Your personal mileage may vary... but its pretty clear Sony is going to push forward with a "unified" platform which includes Vita and Phones and Consoles. Vita will continue to truck forward with decent 1st party and eventually decent 3rd party support.
The Vita is a real life saver in this case.
Your personal mileage may vary... but its pretty clear Sony is going to push forward with a "unified" platform which includes Vita and Phones and Consoles. Vita will continue to truck forward with decent 1st party and eventually decent 3rd party support.
Poimandres
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Arlright, so it looks like there are plenty of Vita games at E3 and Sony just did a piss poor job of mentioning it at the conference. Even a 2 minute clip montage would have been good!
cj_iwakura
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Before a month ago, I wanted nothing to do with the 3DS.
Soul Hackers and SMTIV changed my tune real fast.
3DS is picking up mad steam. Vita is floundering, and doesn't have the support of its own manufacturer.
Yes, I would've MUCH rather had those games on the Vita.
But that's not the case, so I chose a side.
this is a thread about the E3 conference, yeah. And yes, they pushed hard. Most of their presentation was dedicated to it.
frAntic_Frog
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dont understand why sony didnt show a montage of Vita games during the E3 (or did they? i skipped a bunch of the conference)
its not like there are no games....soul sacrifice/killzone/All-Stars/Sly Cooper/JEt Set Radio/NFS/MGS-HD/guacamelee/PS-Suite/ETC/ETC/ETC
is there gonna a separate Vita E3 event? how is sony planning to increase awareness and hype for Vita?
its not like there are no games....soul sacrifice/killzone/All-Stars/Sly Cooper/JEt Set Radio/NFS/MGS-HD/guacamelee/PS-Suite/ETC/ETC/ETC
is there gonna a separate Vita E3 event? how is sony planning to increase awareness and hype for Vita?
cj_iwakura
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They showed clips of two games, and a logo of a third. That's. it.
GeorgioCostanzaX
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Can't believe only COD and Assasins Creed 3 were shown but there have been quite a few over the last few weeks.
CloakedPuppet
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Well said, but it can't be heard above the trollin'.
I'm really loving my Vita and will continue to do so for years to come. Gaf is hardly the place I come to justify my purchases. Threads like this are full of pap. Nice to see some level heads though.
This is my main hangup. I'm not seeing the path that leads to "eventual decent 3rd party support". Outside of the usual push-this-game-on-every-system stalwarts western handheld support in general is mostly nonexistant. The DS couldn't even muster more than cursory western support, the 3DS looks to be following that trend, so what makes you think the Vita will fare any better in the long term?
The PSP's primary muscle was Japanese support, and it's the only real avenue Vita has right now. Problem is, the 3DS is sucking up all the support for itself.
yellowjacket25
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EA, Ubisoft, Activision, Capcom, Konami, Atlus, 2K, Square-Enix, etc. There isn't a mountain of third party publishers on board, but most of the major ones are there. To end the life of the system after 4 months would pretty much kill every Vita game in development right now wipe out any investment those companies have made. Not to mention Sony's own investments.
Look.
Even if the Vita does have a ton of unannounced games and support coming, it still doesn't justify why Sony gave Vita so little time and attention at the biggest damn event in the industry. It is Sony's responsibility to push their platform as hard as they can at every opportunity. Ignoring the Vita at E3 shows they have little confidence in the platform. And in a situation where pessimism is rampant, that is a death knell for the platform in the eyes of current and possible future customers.
Even if the Vita does have a ton of unannounced games and support coming, it still doesn't justify why Sony gave Vita so little time and attention at the biggest damn event in the industry. It is Sony's responsibility to push their platform as hard as they can at every opportunity. Ignoring the Vita at E3 shows they have little confidence in the platform. And in a situation where pessimism is rampant, that is a death knell for the platform in the eyes of current and possible future customers.
Psx games coming to Vita (yes they should have already been there)
Vita is now or will be a controller for the PS3
All stars coming to Vita
AC3 Vita
COD Vita (horrible announcement lol)
I think Sony's message with the Vita was more that they are trying to unite all their platforms. And the Vita is your PS3 when you leave your house. Lots of crossplay talk at the conference. Sure there wasn't so much Vita exclusive stuff, but the Vita had a presence.
Vita is now or will be a controller for the PS3
All stars coming to Vita
AC3 Vita
COD Vita (horrible announcement lol)
I think Sony's message with the Vita was more that they are trying to unite all their platforms. And the Vita is your PS3 when you leave your house. Lots of crossplay talk at the conference. Sure there wasn't so much Vita exclusive stuff, but the Vita had a presence.
And thats the problem. I'm a gaming enthusiast, i have a backlog of PSP games to play, i'm a gaf member and keep up to date on games and even japanese games. Those of us that really wanted a Vita got one. For it to be successful though, for 3rd parties to keep developing for it then it needs to start selling ALOT more in all countries. To do that normal average people need to buy it, they need to be excited to buy it with games they can see and have confidence that it will have games on the shelves for christmas.
When was the last Vita commercial you saw on TV? You know, besides the same one that came out like a week before the Vita release. Where is the Gravity Rush commercial or advertising? How is your average walmart shopper going to know what is shown on the floor at E3? What is going to be reported on yahoo, local news or word of mouth from friends that only watched the Sony conference tomorrow about Vita shown at the Sony conference today? Oh hey they showed Assassins Creed coming to Vita in October and....Wonderbook! The lists being thrown up in Vita threads are great, but the truth is those of us on message boards already know about those games and already bought are Vitas and probably picked them up because the Vita hits our niche gaming needs just right. Now about that Walmart shopper that would make up the bulk a consoles sales, what about them?
I don't know how it can be made any clearer, if those people do not start buying systems developers are not going to make games, period. If Vita owners want anything beyond the lists being posted or beyond the next year it has to turn around. It's not trolling, its not fanboyism, its straight up truth slapping people in denial in the face, IT IS SELLING WORSE THEN PSP!! How much clearer can you freaking get.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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It'll be a waste if I sell it now.
I'm not giving up hope!
(At least I still have my 3DS)
I'm not giving up hope!
(At least I still have my 3DS)
Sony's not going to just discontinue the platform right now. That's crazy talk. Sony is probably stubborn enough to see it through to the end no matter how barren the wasteland gets.
That doesn't mean third parties are going to care outside of token ports once the launch period has blown over.
cj_iwakura
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Atlus announced P4G early on, but everything since has been nothing but 3DS support, so it's clear what they've decided to do.
(Also, I love the avatar.)
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
didnt they announce an ass creed bundle? doesnt that have 8 gigs or something in it
vita looks like something to buy next year, not this year. but i expected as much. psp's first year wasn't all that great, it only had Lumines to hold me over
ZeroGravity
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The difference is that with Nintendo, everyone knew they were good for it. They've ruled the handheld space forever and were obviously not just going to give up; not to mention their big franchises almost always deliver, and are proven system sellers. The Vita doesn't have that certain future ahead of it.
As a launch day 3DS user myself, what games are you talking about? The handhelds variety of games is still fucking pitiful. The last game I played was SML3D and since then its been collecting dust on my table. True it's better than it was in its first year, but I don't see a crazy steam train for the handheld present atm.
Where are these games then? Why are third parties announcing nothing?
This 3DS comparison is beyond lame and tired at this point. Yes, the first year sucked, but we always knew that third parties were working on games for it. Nintendo gave us that huge ass list of games when they announced the damn thing.
4GB, aka as good as nothing.
you didn't play Kid Icarus? Or any of the number of good eShop titles that came out since SML3D?
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