BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Square seems to be better at building engines than actually finishing games on them these days.
How many games are utilizing their White Engine now? 2?
How many games are utilizing their White Engine now? 2?
Final Fantasy real time tech demo - Luminous Studio [Up3: Survey/Screens/Video]
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BlazingDarkness
Member
YES
This is great
Getting new talent in to finally get things moving for the future
Maybe now they won't spend 3 years making the engine without having much game to show for it, as was the case with FFXIII
To my understanding, their last engine wasn't so much what you would think of as an engine as it was a set of tools and a bit of shared code, which is part of why it worked quite poorly in terms of developing games.
So, FFXIII/FFXIII-2 used the same engine, but FFXIV and FF Versus XIII were on heavily, heavily modified engines that were kind of almost like different engines that were game specific.
FFXII had some great Middle Eastern aesthetic influences, but it would be nice to see a JRPG go all the way with that look.
XIII, XIII-2, and soon-to-be-no-longer XIV.
Versus is supposedly built with Crystal Tools, but uses Luminous for lighting. Or something else mistranslated from Japanese magazines.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
I remember Duckroll explaining why square sucked this generation. It was something about never having a real engine, something like what nirolak said.
So Luminous should solve a shitton of problems. now the only problems are in certain people.
So Luminous should solve a shitton of problems. now the only problems are in certain people.
It's using Luminous' lighting module, since unlike Crystal, Luminous is modular and parts can be changed and shared between titles without rebuilding everything.
BlazingDarkness
Member
The article seems to suggest they've set up a team to develop the engine specifically so hopefully this means they'll be much faster with actual game development this coming generation
They spent half of this gen fucking around with Crystal Tools
Spirits Within was poorly received because of its story & execution, not visual direction.
I'm not promising it will solve all their problems however since some of it was development process as well, but they're slowly working on that at the same time.
Hopefully they will have gotten that hashed out now that Luminous seems useable enough to start making a game on it.
Welcome to the end of a console cycle.
Dead Prince
Banned
That's what they want you to think.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Really? I could have sworn the whole purpose of them developing a complete engine was to allow for faster development time(bahahaha) among multi platforms.
Even if this is just a tech demo, with it and the current offerings (FFXIII/-2/Versus), they seem to be targeting more towards realism than towards fantasy. I'm not saying it's bad, I just hope that whatever they do, they don't focus the next FF games only in that direction.
FFX|V art direction is a good example for an alternate style.
FFX|V art direction is a good example for an alternate style.
Yes, but they did it the wrong way because they didn't really understand what it was.
Here they went and hired people who did understand instead and had them make the engine.
Femmeworth
Banned
FTFY
SolidSnakex
Member
If this is just a 'real-time' CG movie, a la FF7 tech demo or Samaritan, count me the fuck out. They'll show this and deliver when it's much less impressive. And they say a lot to being different now, but always have said a lot, and this type of promotion coming from squeenix just isn't impressive anymore.
If this is a controllable slice a la Star Wars 1313, I'm excited as hell.
If this is a controllable slice a la Star Wars 1313, I'm excited as hell.
For comparison sake. Here is what Square has shown in the past to demonstrate possible future hardware with comparisons of what they based them on. Admittedly though these were mostly shown at specific new hardware showings.
N64 - Final Fantasy VI Tech Demo
PS2 - Final Fantasy VIII Tech Demo
PS3 - Final Fantasy VII Tech Demo
Other than FFVII's cloth physics (and maybe other stuff in that video) they are pretty close.
N64 - Final Fantasy VI Tech Demo
PS2 - Final Fantasy VIII Tech Demo
PS3 - Final Fantasy VII Tech Demo
Other than FFVII's cloth physics (and maybe other stuff in that video) they are pretty close.
lol, and i would probably buy it too
Equus Bellator Apex
Junior Member
If you buy it new you'll unlock a free demo for Versus 13
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Yep, I'm with you--really loved FFX's style.
A tech demo isn't necessarily indicative of how the next FF will be like in terms of thematic or narrative details, though. I can see them doing some really neat stuff with the engine. It's just up to the art direction to demonstrate the themes and overall world, I guess.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
well yeah, hopefully they've been using all this time to get their shit together planning/execution wise.
Square needs structure. Achievable goals/timelines to follow. This gen has been so all over the place for them. They made no breaks for themselves.
Mattakuevan
Member
Copy/paste, but its the same as the pics Kagari linked anyways.
Holy jesus.
Pretty incredible that they can already make something look better than Advent Children in real time.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
That looks really great in action.
Now to wait for a game that implements the engine. How long we wait is entirely up to SE, I guess.
LukasTaves
Member
Holy mother of god. This demo is so beatiful.
BlazingDarkness
Member
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
For comparison sake. Here is what Square has shown in the past to demonstrate possible future hardware with comparisons of what they based them on. Admittedly though these were mostly shown at specific new hardware showings.
N64 - Final Fantasy VI Tech Demo
OMG! That EGM article. That just brought back so many memory's!
Ahh I see. Interesting. Square was really not ready for this gen.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
JESUS the video! The ending was beautiful.
BlazingDarkness
Member
WHAT THE FUCK MAN, WHAT THE FUCK
IS THIS REAL LIFE
IS THIS REAL LIFE
Perfect Cha0s
Member
It needs to be next year. Right now.
Oh my.
Finished watching. Okay, this has to be made into a game. It has to.
By the way, SE recently set up a blog for the Digital (degital?) Game Lab thingy, which you see credited at the end of the demo, http://blog.jp.square-enix.com/dgl/ Perhaps information of importance will be posted there in the near future.
By the way, SE recently set up a blog for the Digital (degital?) Game Lab thingy, which you see credited at the end of the demo, http://blog.jp.square-enix.com/dgl/ Perhaps information of importance will be posted there in the near future.
djplaeskool
Member
I said WOW.
awilliams213
Member
Why wasn't this at the Sony keynote what a shame.
Dead Prince
Banned
because it has nothing to do with sony? lol.
BlazingDarkness
Member
It looks leagues better than any other game I've seen
Jesus christ
Jesus christ