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MLG: Halo 4 War Games/Spartan Ops Full Match Videos
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You have three of that game.
The BR has slight spread like in Halo 3 to make it more of a medium range weapon, but it is hitscan as well. DMR is meant for long range.
I understand what you mean though, it does seem to be missing a bit too much. Slightly less spread should do the trick probably.
AFAIK, Halo 4 will have some sort skill ranking system but no details yet. Not 1-50 like in Halo 3 nor the Arena rating from Reach.
;( Well as long as it's skill and not time based I'm happy.
To my knowledge 343 hasn't commented on the ranking system yet.
And the Halo 3 system was good, but I actually think it was too easy to get a 50. If that game had like 65 levels it would have been perfect. I had a 50 in every playlist and am nowhere near pro.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
They said there might be a way to not appear on it that they arent talking about yet.
These videos dont include every feature or gun in the game, just some.
Portugeezer
Member
Hate to say it, but Prometheus vision looks OP and quite fast to recharge.
Is is true it will only be 3 uses per match (not per life)?
The game looks fantastic though.
Is is true it will only be 3 uses per match (not per life)?
The game looks fantastic though.
What? No, AAs are unlimited, the only limit is their charge-bar.
Unfinished build, things will get tweaked. If the PV still seems OP closer to launch, feel free to complain.
There is TrueSkill behind the MM... In general, the higher "social" rank, the better you're (logically, the more you play, the better you're, exceptions happen ofc). So you have higher TrueSkill rating than an average Brigadier. The same was true for me when i was Brigadier or so (now Mythic so don't see it's effects as strongly).
EDIT also, note that without wanting similar skill, Reach's TrueSkill matching is really loose.
NullPointer
Member
Judging from these videos I'd agree. Seems very spammable and very powerful in comparison to other AAs.
Yeah, needs a longer recharge, a limit on use, a limit on scope, or a slower reveal.
It was too easy ? Sometimes I won 3 games in a row and didn't rank up, then I lost one and ranked down.
I think you were at least semi pro, had a lot of luck and great team mates.
Uncharted Waves
Banned
Not feelin' this whole P-Vision thing. It seems to provide the player with an unfair advantage. Do we really need this? Why not limit the length and duration of it? Just doesn't seem to belong in Halo combat. I could see already people complaining about this if there isn't some sort of counter.
Portugeezer
Member
Disappointing then, they need to fix it (and probably will, thankfully I am not the only one who sees this). Come on if they had internal betas then why does it still seem so bad? It's not even a thing you have to play to know it's OP.
Agreed. It's almost like the "stopping power" of Halo 4, I will feel obliged to use it. Longer recharge, shorter usage period, and a more limited distance would help a lot.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
Camo
A camo that you stay visible with, but dont appear on Pvision. Kinda like stalker? in MW3. Thats the most logical choice.
Portugeezer
Member
Camo
In the interviews he doesn't really confirm what counters it. Anyway, people are forgetting that you can see players on the map, (unless someone plans on using P Vision and crouching everywhere) but P Vision still seems sucky.
Mixed bag for me. My initial impression for many of the changes is not good, but hopefully that's limited to just the "infinity slayer" mode and that not every mode will be that way. Specifically:
-I dislike ordinance drops for performance. A competitive game should not reward players who well with the ability to do even better. Such a mechanism unfairly biases toward players who are doing well initially, rather than in the whole game.
-Prometheus vision seems way too powerful (and this is somewhat supported by the overwhelming number of people choosing it). Competitive games usually turn radar off because they want the player to rely on skill to be aware of where other players are. I actually like radar because with crouching you can exploit people's over reliance, however, prometheus vision really just breaks that concept too much and I'm not sure the "sacrifice" of other AA is enough to balance it.
-I have concerns over awarding points for various things and basing the game outcome on these points. We should not be emphasizing play styles over outcomes; rather play styles should be a result of what produces optimal outcomes. For instance, if people get awarded points for assists, it biases play style to trying get let another player get some hits on your target so that the net reward is larger than a single kill. Assists should be important, but only to the extent that such teamwork advances the teams ability to get kills. This specific instance might be resolved by making the sum reward constant, so that the killer gets less points if someone get an assist, but then we have issues of additional points for medals. A better resolution for this would be something more akin to Reach's rating where you get points to rate your performance, but the outcomes of the game is still based on raw kills.
-I dislike ordinance drops for performance. A competitive game should not reward players who well with the ability to do even better. Such a mechanism unfairly biases toward players who are doing well initially, rather than in the whole game.
-Prometheus vision seems way too powerful (and this is somewhat supported by the overwhelming number of people choosing it). Competitive games usually turn radar off because they want the player to rely on skill to be aware of where other players are. I actually like radar because with crouching you can exploit people's over reliance, however, prometheus vision really just breaks that concept too much and I'm not sure the "sacrifice" of other AA is enough to balance it.
-I have concerns over awarding points for various things and basing the game outcome on these points. We should not be emphasizing play styles over outcomes; rather play styles should be a result of what produces optimal outcomes. For instance, if people get awarded points for assists, it biases play style to trying get let another player get some hits on your target so that the net reward is larger than a single kill. Assists should be important, but only to the extent that such teamwork advances the teams ability to get kills. This specific instance might be resolved by making the sum reward constant, so that the killer gets less points if someone get an assist, but then we have issues of additional points for medals. A better resolution for this would be something more akin to Reach's rating where you get points to rate your performance, but the outcomes of the game is still based on raw kills.
Portugeezer
Member
BTW do any of these videos feature the jetpack?
Watching now and haven't seen it yet.
Watching now and haven't seen it yet.
Net_Wrecker
Member
Promethean vision looks kinda OP. Recharges fast enough to be used before nearly every kill in these videos.
And I like the sound design except for lack of reverberation. Shooting stuff sounds the same in a tight hallway as it does in the more open spaces, and grenades like 15 feet away sound like they're a mile away. Some noisy echos on that BR would make a world of difference.
And I like the sound design except for lack of reverberation. Shooting stuff sounds the same in a tight hallway as it does in the more open spaces, and grenades like 15 feet away sound like they're a mile away. Some noisy echos on that BR would make a world of difference.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
That's actually how it works. Every kill gives your team 10 points, while the personal points you score(+5 for assists, +15 for a headshot, etc) goes to your personal ordnance/player progression at the end of the game.
Oh yeah that's right, there was some funky things going on behind the scenes of H3's ranking system where it factored in your trueskill as well. People with a bad win/loss ratio would take forever to rank up. Whereas if you had a fresh account you could get a 50 in <50 games.
Imo they need to just abandon trueskill altogether. Go back to Halo 2 where it was a pretty consistent 3-4 wins in a row to level up. Period.
Well even with a fresh account I never got past 43 or 44, I truly was nowhere near pro though.
Portugeezer
Member
Why is this an issue now?
Good players have also gotten the weapons drops in past Halo's, is it an issue in Halo 4 because you can get a personal BB gun is not a big issue? Maybe I am wrong but these personal drops aren't power weapons from what I know, you won't get things like snipers or rocket launcher (someone confirm this?)
I'd say limit to one use. From what I saw people were turing it on and off very quickly, so the charge was only depleting about 25-50%, but allowed to see the surrounding 10 meters. It should be a "click it, it scans the map, you're done for 30-60 seconds" type deal. The spamming is terrible.
Reminds me of AL prior to the TU. In out in out in out. Annoying.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
Turning it on and off only shows whats near you. To see the whole field, u have to keep it on so that the wave reaches the end.
Yeah, but if you heard Walshy, he said something likr "I'll use Promethean vision to hold down a small section of the map, maybe 25% of the map". The off on off on strategy of never fully depleting the AA meter, but still allowing you to see the surrounding 10 meters or so.
Another player, Neighbor (I think) said he no longer needed second player to "bait and switch", since now he can see through walls. He was employing the same tactic.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
Ya i saw, thats why im thinking one of the "support options" to equip ur spartan will be the ability to not appear on Pvision instead of lets say the "ammo" one.
I'm really hoping so, but when the lead designer was asked about that, he didn't react as if there was something in the works. He said something like "No, not as of yet". Where all other questions were greeted with a blanketed "We can't talk about that", meaning there was something going on there.
I think 343i may be making a mistake, just like Bungie did. They are designing some of these features as if everyone will use them the way they intended. I'm sure Bungie didn't intend the armor lock spamming from Halo:Reach either....
SafeinSound
Member
Man, this is looking so good. I absolutely love the lighting, it really makes the game feel more Sci-fi.
vincent vega
Member
nah the dmr. I think it was best man and someone else.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Actually if you listen to video 1 again they ask if there is a way to hide yourself from the Promethean vision and he says "we can't talk about that yet." So I assume they have a counter for it ready to go.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
Ya, either that or they just noticed that its a problem, either way, its an easy fix. Just add a support option for it.
Ah, must have missed that. I thought that was the one where he just flat out said "No.". Still, it's a SMH situation. Just like in COD, when I was constantly employing any and all perks that hid me from the perks that allowed players to know my location. That crap just doesn't need to be there, in my opinion.
How about employing good situational awareness and map navigation and use some well thought out tactics, instead of, you know, pressing a button and looking for me through walls.
Agreed. It's definitely got a beautiful aesthetic.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I kind of agree, but will wait for everything to come out to judge fully. Someone in the HaloGaf thread noted that the MLG guys were almost using it as a crutch, when skillful use of their radars would give them similar ideas of where people were at. I'm thinking there is a way to fool the person using it to make it look like a heat signature is showing when it's a decoy.
Syphon Filter
Member
Anyone know what is the point of the ordinance drop thing? If i am correct it drops another weapon but wouldn't i already have the weapon i want in my load out?
Silly.Mikey
Banned
You mention COD, look in that game, everyone has the ability to hide themselves using the perks, but launch a UAV or advanced UAV in the air and you still see a ton of people appear on the radar. Itll be the same in H4 as long as the other support options are useful enough to want to equip as well. Youll have some people using that, and some using other shit. Like that, PVision will still be somewhat useful.
To me the counter will either be a support option or a variant of camo. And its probably not final yet which is why they cant talk about it.
Power Weapons. Also Perks like Speed Up (Movement, reload and weapon switch increase) and others we have not seen.
Power weapons are not part of your loadout.
HigherLevel
Member
Just so it's known, personal ordinance drops are only in Infinity Slayer, not traditional Slayer.
This2x4Skeleton
Neo Member
Did I hear correctly? Did he just say that there would only be a 1 second respawn delay which you could cancel if you chose to?
When he was asked if there was a counter for PV he came off as if he'd never even thought of it until then. And if the counter for PV is indeed camo then that's going to be terrible. It's just going to be people running around with camo and PV. Am I the only one that was irked by camo in Reach?
What's the word on powerups? I think I read that they were being brought back. Does that mean you'll be able to find them on the map or are they going to be ordnance drops? I'm talking about Overshield and Camo. Or is camo still an Armor Ability?
When he was asked if there was a counter for PV he came off as if he'd never even thought of it until then. And if the counter for PV is indeed camo then that's going to be terrible. It's just going to be people running around with camo and PV. Am I the only one that was irked by camo in Reach?
What's the word on powerups? I think I read that they were being brought back. Does that mean you'll be able to find them on the map or are they going to be ordnance drops? I'm talking about Overshield and Camo. Or is camo still an Armor Ability?
BK confirmed.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Added YouTube links to the OP.
Thanks for the info, that eases some of my concerns then.