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Perhaps they percieved the aliens (still refusing to call them xenomophs) as the perfect life form, and this was their way of converting themselves into them. The vases contained sacrificed Engineers, and they spread their DNA across seed worlds, then later return to convert those hosts into aliens, perfecting themselves.
I dunno. It's been a long time since I saw a film that refuses to throw a bone to the viewer as to what the fuck it's about. At every opportunity, they pull back. I'm starting to subscribe to the notion that they didn't really have it all figured out; there's no there there.
Oh wow, I forgot about that. Where was that from again?
I'm convinced there were scenes on the surface of Mars during the teraforming. Where else could it be?
I'm convinced there were scenes on the surface of Mars during the teraforming. Where else could it be?
Well....
Back when the comic-con footage got leaked.
I'd love to see that sizzle trailer get released. Who knows what else is there.
Expected as much. I personally would've been ok to see more footage before they headed off to LV-223.
Well, more reasons to get the blu-ray with the extra footage.
Count Dookkake
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In a perfect world, Uwe Boll is preparing to announce plans to adapt the classic game XENOPHOBE.
CartridgeBlower
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Uwe Boll. Building Better Films.
SpacedCadette
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This isn't from Prometheus. It's from a short film (forgot the name) that was shown off at the same time during Comic-Con, so it got mixed up with the other leaks.
I'm convinced there were scenes on the surface of Mars during the teraforming. Where else could it be?
Are you positive? That looks like Shaw to me.
I really liked the movie. Luckily, this has the potential to have a sequel(s) to hopefully explain a lot of the information it failed to deliver (unless its there subtly). The Jesus theory is interesting and I could see that working.
I could also see that the idea of the creations (us) constantly fighting for all of these years is the result of the Space Jockeys wanting to destroy us. Not sure what sending all them jars towards Earth would do though. Seems like it would be a "nuke them from orbit" situation... and instead of recreating anything, they just leave it in waste.
Anyway, this does remind me of Mass Effect 3 (on the theory part). I plan on watching this movie again, though. I enjoyed it a lot.
Edit: Does anyone have any page recommendations in this topic with theories/pictures/points of debate?
I could also see that the idea of the creations (us) constantly fighting for all of these years is the result of the Space Jockeys wanting to destroy us. Not sure what sending all them jars towards Earth would do though. Seems like it would be a "nuke them from orbit" situation... and instead of recreating anything, they just leave it in waste.
Anyway, this does remind me of Mass Effect 3 (on the theory part). I plan on watching this movie again, though. I enjoyed it a lot.
Edit: Does anyone have any page recommendations in this topic with theories/pictures/points of debate?
What's the hot theory on the Trilobite? Strange to think that dude is solely some incubating organism. He seems to be pretty effective just hanging about on his own; he'd probably slap around a Queen with ease.
SpacedCadette
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Bingo.
I don't think we've discussed it in the last dozen pages or so, but way back we talked about stuff like Shaw's infertility, and how it could have contributed to the incomplete or mutated form of the creature. Someone suggested that it could be the result of an infected sperm which grows to "maturity" in the womb without an egg to fertilize. It does kinda look like a giant sperm thing when it is first removed from her womb, before the tail splits up into a bunch of tentacles... lol.
They said that they cut the scene before shooting though. So the scene was scripted and designed, but I don't think there's actual footage of it.
CartridgeBlower
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I wonder how much cutting certain scenes before filming (ala the Mars scene) had to do with Fox keeping a somewhat tight budget on this film of 125 million. Certainly not small potatoes, but for a big summer release, that's not very high. I bet Scott pre-visualized the movie at something like 150-160, and Fox made him trim it down to get to the number they wanted. I feel like the scope of the film may have been hurt by it. Seeing Weyland on Mars, or getting more backstory with Shaw and Charlie on Earth, might have really helped build character that was sorely lacking.
way more
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Lost fans, that does explain the turn this thread took.
That's what I thought. There are also facehuggers on that wall:
So would an Engineer who drinks from that alter get turned into goo like in the beginning of the movie and then put into urns? Or would he need to have sex with a lady Engineer to get the facehugger?
Who does this?
That's the equivalent of this.
mickcenary
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The scene where she runs to the automated surgical pod thingy shat me to no end and not even in retrospect; it annoyed me as I was watching. They just let her go. There was no chase given and there's no way that she outran them, as she stopped and doubled-over in pain more than a few times.
Dumb shit happens = not a fuck is given by consequence/reaction.
Dumb shit happens = not a fuck is given by consequence/reaction.
Well, look at it this way. If you just lost 3 crew members to an unknown mysterious biological threat/infection, and the next thing you know a mysterious body shows up right outside your ship, what's the first thing you would do? Open the airlock and let a bunch of unarmed guys just poke at it to see what's up? Lol.
This bugged me the first time through, but not the second. Two people came for Shaw. She bashed one in the head with some sort of pipe she was holding, knocking them out cold. She nails the second one, then slams their head into the ceiling, they drop like a sack of potatoes. Your basic blow to the head knocking dudes out in movies stuff, but it was there.
I didn't pay enough attention to tell, but I think I remember someone saying that one of the two crew members she knocked out was chilling with Weyland in that next scene. Is that true?
Prior to seeing the movie, that's what I THOUGHT it would be...
But it's the basic things that needed explanation, not the grander questions.
I do think that a director's cut would solve a lot. I like a lot of the bigger things it did and tried to do.
I'm assuming that the other one, or whoever was left on the medical side didn't have their arms up when they crashed.
You and me both. Well, I think everyone. I tried to look deeper into what was presented, but everything was just so damned shallow, and the rest of the bad writing/action/characters dogpiled my mind.
I'm saving my hope for the directors cut. It had to have been edited out to make it more open ended, had to be. So much awesomeness in the presentation, but the content was lacking.
I don't think the initial scene was odd. What was definitely odd were all the scenes after she came out of the operation. The total lack of concern or suspicion from everyone is just nonsensical. Shaw's reaction is completely illogical too. Weyland is alive and talking about going to meet a creator being, and she doesn't just sound out that she just aborted a tentacle monster out of her own womb? It's really beats like this which makes the second half of the movie really nonsensical.
I didn't recognize any of them. The only one of the two I could identify was the woman with the accent (Cat's sister from Game of Thrones), the other was some random guy in a mask. And then there are a few guys in Weyland's room, and I don't recall ever seeing any of them before, either.
Thought given how well put together the rest of the story is, I wouldn't be surprised.
Yup. Shaw stumbles into the room, bloody, drugged and with fresh stitches across her middle. And she's the least interesting thing in the room to them.
Events like that should be pivotal plot points, not set pieces to throw away. Likewise with the fate of the two bozos in the tunnels; the story should have grown from those events. But no, just fodder for some action and cast whittling, forgotten moments later and never discussed or referenced after.
Nappuccino
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I enjoyed the movie and didn't find it particulary confusing.
But I did feel like some scenes were missing early on (jesus does the movie move quickly) and they probably could have tightened it up so they only had to return to the alien storage place once. And the dialog in the last five minutes plumeted in quality; "Well that's what makes you a robot and me a human being" and.... I really want the extended sequence from the end to be reinserted. Who cares if it makes the engineer seema little more vulnerable, the movie as is is a touch anti-climatic.
So really, there were some major flaws, some that I think will be fixed with a directors cut. I'd still give it a 7.5-8. The problems I saw weren't nearly bad enough to bring my rating any lower.
But I did feel like some scenes were missing early on (jesus does the movie move quickly) and they probably could have tightened it up so they only had to return to the alien storage place once. And the dialog in the last five minutes plumeted in quality; "Well that's what makes you a robot and me a human being" and.... I really want the extended sequence from the end to be reinserted. Who cares if it makes the engineer seema little more vulnerable, the movie as is is a touch anti-climatic.
So really, there were some major flaws, some that I think will be fixed with a directors cut. I'd still give it a 7.5-8. The problems I saw weren't nearly bad enough to bring my rating any lower.
A scene where the geologist/biologist go "C'mon! Why is this thing not working" on his wrist map thingy...because that life form at the end of the hall was a glitch, so perhaps the system starts glitching, and then they take a wrong turn.
I know, I know...circular hallways, but stranger things have happened.
A lot of scenes like that woudl help.
Ripley, er, Shaw comes out of the abortion clinic and the two medics who she ran from watch her go by and say "WHAT THE SHIT!!!" and Shaw yells "DONTCHU GO IN THERE!" would help.
Nappuccino
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I feel like Shaw was in shock over everything that happened. But I did wish that there was a little more closure about the c-section scene (lets face it, that's not an abortion- the monster lived pretty damn well afterwards) even if it was a false sense of security for the viewer. Anything to let us know that people cared about what just happened there.
Something I feel like would be in a Director's cut- it's too obvious a scene to have not written or filmed.... right?
That's how much Lindelof just blew her mind with the Mr. Burns plot twist. "Squid? What squid?"
I mean, and you're not a professional writer right? Just basic courtesy to the audience would have been enough for the story. It just rushed through everything, there was no closure in any significant action or event. Man.. Just a swing and a miss..
Ripley my ass, her biggest fight was pushing a button... ;-) The movie even failed to produce a good action sequence for her.
After the movie, I remember discussing with a friend over dinner about the fate of all the crew members. Something didn't add up. But I don't really remember the movie perfectly, so there might be errors here. Basically, at the start of the movie, there is a text overlay saying how many crew members were on board. I think it was 17 or 18. This might or might not include Weyland, depending on whether the text was meant to be an official report, or if it is a narrative point for the audience.
Anyway, if we were to count the number of people who actually die in the movie, it doesn't seem to completely add up:
- 2 guys die to the Hammerpede.
- 1 guy is infected and gets toasted.
- Zombieman returns to kill 3 or 4 guys before he gets run over.
- The Engineer kills Weyland and 2 other people.
- 3 guys crash the Prometheus into the ship.
- Bitch gets crushed.
- Shaw and David get away.
Anyway, if we were to count the number of people who actually die in the movie, it doesn't seem to completely add up:
- 2 guys die to the Hammerpede.
- 1 guy is infected and gets toasted.
- Zombieman returns to kill 3 or 4 guys before he gets run over.
- The Engineer kills Weyland and 2 other people.
- 3 guys crash the Prometheus into the ship.
- Bitch gets crushed.
- Shaw and David get away.
Well, you wouldn't be walking around at all no matter how doped up you are after getting your guts sliced open and then stapled together. Her encounter with Weyland just capped off an entire train of stupidity which began with her 'escape' from the two shipmates trying to cryo her.
I forget how she got into his private suites, anyways.
I thought there were a few other crew members that the regular crew wasn't aware of, sequestered with Weyland himself.
I forget how she got into his private suites, anyways.
I thought there were a few other crew members that the regular crew wasn't aware of, sequestered with Weyland himself.
Living or not, it was definitely a c-section. That's not how you do an abortion, guys.
18 including Weyland, this has been on my mind as well. But didn't want to hurt my brain further to count. The unnamed deaths just died with the captain saving the world, so.. I guess thats ok.
Let's say the squid (somehow) ate some of them.
After all, there was some blood on that door, right? And it was closed in those last scenes, despite Shaw (seemingly?) leaving it open after her surgery...
Can't wait for the webisodes about the adventures of the missing crew members!
Seems like there are 2-3 people missing then. I don't think it's "okay" that they just randomly died when the captain crashed the ship, because that makes no sense. He specifically told Vickers to bail out when she still could, and it wouldn't really make much sense that he would think "oh well those other guys who have no idea what's going to happen to them... too bad! lol!"
I was thinking there could be a scene where the remaining medical staff checks out the autodoc room, only to get killed by the Trilobite. But that doesn't seem to fit either, because if that happens, it would take away from the "reveal" at the end when Shaw get back there only to find that it has grown into a huge monster.
I wonder where the other guys went...
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I question that though. If you were flying a ship to crash it into something don't you think the other people on board might have a problem with that?
This would make sense, as there is no possible way for it to get that large without eating anything? It had teeth.... So I'll assume thats what happened. I love playing the build your own movie game..fill in the plotholes!
I was being sarcastic. As there is no way in
That leaves 2 people. If I had to guess, it would've been one of Weylands body guards at the ship (when Weyland was putting his suit on, there were two randoms standing outside the door) and one of the doctors (who could've been one of these randoms that took off the doctor suit).
Random: I wonder how that conversation will go between David and Shaw if David ever tells her that he put the goo in the dudes drink.
Things in Alien movies like to grow. The xeno in Alien didn't eat anything before it was taller than a person.
Of course, that doesn't quite solve the issue of Janek not addressing those last crew members before crashing the ship into the Juggernaut....
Does he know they're dead? If so, shouldn't he be a bit concerned about the thing that killed them? Is he fine with leaving it in the emergency module as a surprise for Vickers and Shaw?
Speaking of Shaw, doesn't she pick an axe as soon as she gets in that module? What for, if that's before David tells her about the Engineer coming for-her-Barbra? I mean, it's nice of her to act cautiously all of a sudden, but it is sudden, after two hours of people acting like absent-minded morons (that would include the hypothetical eaten-by-the-squid crew members, by the by)... Did she just remember about the squid? "Why do I feel like I forgot something in that part of the ship... Oh, right!"
"A King has his reign and then he dies, it's inevitable"
When I first heard it in the trailer I thought they'd tie that quote to the mythology of the Space Jockey/Human relationship but much to my disappointment it was just an analogue for a relationship between Vickers/her dad, which wasn't even explored much in the first place. Do you guys think there's a way for that quote to somehow be related to the Engineers/Humans relationship?
When I first heard it in the trailer I thought they'd tie that quote to the mythology of the Space Jockey/Human relationship but much to my disappointment it was just an analogue for a relationship between Vickers/her dad, which wasn't even explored much in the first place. Do you guys think there's a way for that quote to somehow be related to the Engineers/Humans relationship?
How about the people that tried to take Shaw to cryosleep died from Shaw's attack?
Weren't they the ones with Weyland? At least one of them I think.
Hey, maybe it did! It's not like it was trapped in a room.
Uh huh.
Seriously, people need to let this one go. It's like going to Attack of the 50ft Woman and complaining that her spine wouldn't be able to support her height. It's a conceit of the series and you just gotta accept that things in Alien movies grow because of midichlorians or something.
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