Hey, uh, has this ever happened? (McElroy: GAF has actively tried to fool the press)
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CambriaRising
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These also have their eccentric press figures in droves.
FollowSmoke
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Yeah, he blocked me for that.
I think Justin gets a bad wrap. The guy's hilarious and does take his job seriously. Despite the blocking, I'm still a fan. But to give the whole "hey, we're on the same side, NeoGAF are the bad guys" thing is bullshit. Klepick called him out and he didn't have a proper defense.
This is what I got out of this as well.
He seemingly had absolutely no reason to name drop GAF. I can't see at all what GAF has to do with him, his story, and whether or not that leak is legitimate. Reads like he is salty about something and has been harboring resentment and jumped at any random opportunity to say something mildly negative about GAF.
Dude needs to grow up.
I don't know how to either. I don't understand what it means to have @something before the message and most of the time it looks like people talking to themselves.
Me too. I started watching videos on their site because GAF and I like. But I disagree a lot about their opinion on Japan games. Disagreement is okay though.
You hear all the time about people who report on those getting in trouble for having a bit of fun or for having their own opinions. That is not what I want games journalism to become.
Informal is the way to go when it comes to something that is supposed to be about fun. Period.
Dreamwriter
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If someone on GAF purposely posts fake things as real, they should be permabanned, there should be no fake GAF things. That's one of the things that makes GAF better than GameFAQs or IGN forums, people are held responsible for what they post. If someone posts something fake, even as a joke, there will be other people on GAF reading it who don't get the joke, and they will start repeating it in a way so that the "joke" is lost, and that news will spread throughout GAF. It happens all the time on crappy messageboards, and unfortunately has happened here, though it's rare.
ThusZarathustra
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Informal and childish are not the same thing.
Yeah they also have quite a few really good ones. Something that is still rare in our industry.
Oh well in that case shut the books the master has spoken. No wonder why this industry is such a fucking joke.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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SatelliteOfLove
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I had hope last decade vidyer game journalism would get better over the coming years and that men like Klepek would be the norm, not the exception.
Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh...
Jeff does goofy stuff like that occasionally and is also respectable.
The fuck? GAF isn't their fact checker. Are we like the Jon Stewart to their Fox News?
That was Crossfire, a CNN show.
EmCeeGramr
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you have to be a pretty special person to somehow undo all the good will created by the Sherlock Holmes at E3 stories
but yeah Justin McElroy manages to do it with ease
I'm pretty sure the only time that anybody at Giant Bomb unashamedly freaked out over a game like that it was Brad and [Insert Blizzard Game] and he gets called out on that all the time by the GB community sooooo
but yeah Justin McElroy manages to do it with ease
I'm pretty sure the only time that anybody at Giant Bomb unashamedly freaked out over a game like that it was Brad and [Insert Blizzard Game] and he gets called out on that all the time by the GB community sooooo
Childish. A word uptight people like to use when they see others having too much fun.
PepsimanVsJoe
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Wait a sec.
Griffin McElroy?
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Griffin McElroy?
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lmao
I don't know how well everyone knows the McElroy brothers, but I read their articles on Joystiq, listened to their podcasts there, and the same with Polygon. I also listen to their "MBMBaM" podcasts on a regular basis, and both of them have a palpable ego about their thoughts... some of us are just like that.
I don't like that McElroy is slinging shit at GAF publicly either, but then again we just have to look at the "Games Journalism" gif to bring us back to reality... it's not a huge deal, and GAF has fucked with people in the past, whether or not source checking happened.
Justin's younger brother, also was at Joystiq, is also now at Polygon.
I don't like that McElroy is slinging shit at GAF publicly either, but then again we just have to look at the "Games Journalism" gif to bring us back to reality... it's not a huge deal, and GAF has fucked with people in the past, whether or not source checking happened.
Justin's younger brother, also was at Joystiq, is also now at Polygon.
ShockingAlberto
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Justin's brother. Also a game journalist. Generally less offensive that I have noticed.
Yep. The brothers seem to have this notion that GAF creates fake news. I don't understand where it came from.
ThusZarathustra
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Naw son. A word used for grown-ups to describe immature behavior on the part of people who should know better. Or are you going to tell us that immaturity is just a thing uptight people made up to shit on people having fun?
Informal, professional and mature are not exclusive concepts, yo.
Ain't no movie or book or music reviewers dance around with their shit. Outside of fuckin' YouTube that is.
First Name
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This is actually what made me stop visiting Joystiq.
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Deleted member 80556
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The guy received his copy because of his job, and he's making a joke of it. Seriously, I would expect that journalism in gaming was taken with some kind of etiquette.
People talk about a medium that has grown up or that it's in the process, and this guy goes on and makes it look like it's filled by a bunch of immature people.
That's the way I view it.
I'm really surprised how that went over. I know the joke wasn't in the best taste but it was obviously a joke, and I assumed we were all laughing.
It wasn't until after when I found out how upset people were that I kinda had to think of it in a different light, but I still see it as a joke first, and (somewhat) offensive second.
ShockingAlberto
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I feel like when your personal feud with a message board has lead to you advocating that stories should be posted and then vetted, then you have lost the high ground.
Whether one lead to the other or whatever, it's still pretty bad.
I know, "lol games journalism" and all that, but is kind of crossing the line admitting your source is threads of some forum, however accurate and full of original breaking news that forum is as it happens with neogaf. You are freaking journalist, do your job and confirm your stuff.
captmcblack
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Why should you get banned for "fake things as real" universally?
MGS Triology was clearly a joke.
This X360 thingy was clearly bullcrap as well.
You *do* get held accountable for posting stuff. But because GAF is such a great forum, every case is considered individually.
If we banned people unilaterally for "fake stuff", Paul Gale would've been banned for Rocksteady TMNT or Starfox x Metroid...and we'd have never gotten the scoop on Playstation All-Stars. We've have never learned about MK vs DC (or was it MK9? it was an infamous post that people thought was BS, and then turned out to be true years later).
Again, a journalist's job is to vet his or her information. You don't blame GAF for you not doing your homework!
Jasper Avenue
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Justin McElroy is an idiot. Always has been, always will be.
Anyone can joke about it if they wish -- the act itself is not inherently wrong. Society (in this case) the gaming community will judge him for it. As a branch of "journalism" that almost no one takes seriously, it was probably not the worst thing. He is an unfettered douchebag, but not for that post.
I would argue that someone who's so hellbent on being "grown up" has some growing up to do in their own way. A mature person can act how they want and let other people have their fun without being judgmental. So many here apparently cannot do that.
Okay?
Maybe they should. It's nice to know if the reviewer is actually excited to review what they're reviewing.
Anticitizen One
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forums like Neogaf help prevent game journalists, companies, and game news sites from controlling the message. Which i'm sure can be frustrating.
hemo memo
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Ideally you go into a review without a bias. Thats the point of a review no? To tell people if its good or not. "Being excited" can negatively affect the review. By either being overly positive. Or overly negative.
I am sure the parents of the kid did not appreciate the article making light of an adult assaulting their kid.
All I meant is that it is a dick move and he should have thought about it before he hit send. Even taken as satire its not funny.
I disagree. It means they will be predisposed to like it before even popping in the disc. They will be more likely to forgive it for its faults rather than being as objective as possible.
Also, if the game ends up disappointing them they will likely lash out against it more strongly than it deserves.
Same. Podcast McElroy is goddamn hilarious, Journalist McElroy is kind of a douche
Dash Kappei
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Meatvillain
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This is the trouble with referring to GAF as a single entity, I guess. I've done no such thing (of course not, I'm a lowly junior) and would frown upon that sort of thing, and I'm sure I'm not alone, but GAF hivemind cliche etc.
FollowSmoke
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You say that and I honestly think it's true. But it's because there's no money involved on this end.
CambriaRising
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Or the opposite. They could be so incredibly disappointed because they thought the product would be a certain way.
Who is to say really? On any level, I wouldn't want someone to review a game who would have preferred not to, job or not.
LiquidMetal14
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... The fuck?
This stuff reminded me, hey, there was that Metroid Prime 3 lacking online play story of theirs that annoyed me and made me blow off Joystiq! A Justin McElroy story too, I must've recognized the writing style.
I don't think you understand. I'm sure they didn't like it; and if we were to cater or alter all communication for the sake of preventing offense to a select few (or even many), things that need to be said probably would not be. I'm not saying he is a writer, but writers should be well-equipped to produce a piece of satire if they wish. I'm not saying his piece was a Swiftian masterpiece, but I don't think it should be a valid point of criticism against someone who does not lack in valid points of criticism. And, though I did not, someone may actually find it funny -- and that's okay.
ThusZarathustra
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No, they really shouldn't. Sorry, but if you want impulsive, childish over-enthusiasm there's plenty of horrible YouTube out there for you to commiserate with.
And acting however you want with no sense of decorum or etiquette for the expectations of your situation or context is absolutely not mature. That's kid's behavior, flat-out.
Dash Kappei
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C'mon, that was something else. I'm sure many film reviewers were excited to go see Prometheus. Of course you do this kind of job with a true passion for videogames, so when a big game comes up it's understandable to be "cool, can't wait to try that". The bias the kid was showing was on a whole different level, if you're that involved from the get-go then please review something else or go write that piece for a fan-site, that's all there is to it.
So it's GAF's fault that he's naive? Maybe the document is real and maybe it's fake - I don't know and I wouldn't like to judge it one way or another - but to say that GAF is a source of fake news designed specifically to fool the press is extremely daft. It's true that if a 'reputable gaming news site' picks up on a fake story then the majority of GAF take some delight in ripping the piss out of said site but we're supposed to be the target, the consumer of news, not the generator of it, that's the reporters job and to blame GAF for his gullibility is really misguided. Plus, referring to GAF as if it's a single entity is very silly. If GAF is a hive mind how come there's so much fucking arguing here? There's more disagreements on GAF than the middle-east.
On the subject of Kleppek - I've grown to respect Tricky a lot more in the previous few months and although sometimes he still grates a bit on the Bombcast he really seems to take the role of reporting gaming news seriously, or rather he takes the responsibility of reporting accurate news at the cost of unjustified page-hits seriously. I'm growing to like him and I find he's fitting in to the team at GB more and more. Good lad.
And finally, I agree with a lot of posters in this thread - GAF is OUT OF CONTROL, EVIL and MUST BE STOPPED AT ALL COSTS!
On the subject of Kleppek - I've grown to respect Tricky a lot more in the previous few months and although sometimes he still grates a bit on the Bombcast he really seems to take the role of reporting gaming news seriously, or rather he takes the responsibility of reporting accurate news at the cost of unjustified page-hits seriously. I'm growing to like him and I find he's fitting in to the team at GB more and more. Good lad.
And finally, I agree with a lot of posters in this thread - GAF is OUT OF CONTROL, EVIL and MUST BE STOPPED AT ALL COSTS!
SouthernDragon
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You can't really be called a journalist if you get your hackles up when someone tells you to factcheck.
FollowSmoke
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By the way... Everyone say hi to Justin.
HI JUSTIN!
HI JUSTIN!