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so RT has no stylus support? Are they going to put the presentation online?
Microsoft Surface Tablet announced
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Gary Whitta
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LOL, very first comment:
I think the guy predicting that Apple will come after MS for the snap-on magnetic cover might have something.
Price. ARM is cheaper.
Who does? A couple (one?) person said they would buy it at that price but that's all I see
NullPointer
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Yep. Can't imagine it being beyond that pricepoint and priced-to-move.
radioheadrule83
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would it have to? He was talking about users in his school district.
RT machines can't join AD domains, but they can synchronised with corporate networks in other ways. In terms of app deployment, administrators can deploy apps to WOA users through the new control panel applet.
RT devices would work perfectly fine for a company wishing to use them merely as smart devices with access to their VPN, email and web apps -- especially for some companies who are testing out 'bring your own' IT policies.
The benefit of fully capable x86 devices would be automatic deployment, remote access and things like that. I don't really see Surface as ever invading the traditional office space, but it does seem like it could be used by casual and business users who are always on the move.
Dreams-Visions
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how far under a grand are we talking? lol. NINE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE US DOLLARS
but yes, we need more info. Still, since it's not coming until 2013, none of this matters. The discussion probably should curve into a discussion about RT...but I don't think anyone here actually wants RT.
Really, does anyone here want to buy into Windows RT? When the "Pro" version is the real shit with the stylus, x86 Windows, and 1080p and blah blah? Just curious.
Good Job Bob
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The Faceless Master
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$600 is a pretty safe bet! now if you were talking $700... well, you probably wouldn't risk talking $700
I dunno. If its $899 with everything included and the other stats like battery power are good, I'll probably spring. If its $1000 or over, its really going to have to wow me with capabilities.
Still, may still do the RT, but would need to go hands on with it first.
radioheadrule83 said:
Well, the biggest question when it comes to the hardware for a business is can it accept our security policies? If it'll take a companies' standard security requirements and needed applications, it could invade the traditional office. Not saying it will, because there isn't enough info on it, but there is a real possibility there that you don't have with the iPad.
This was appearing as $619 when I searched for it but when I click onto the product page it's not giving a price :S
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005MR58MG/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Even still, at the RRP from Intel at $699 I'd expect to see the Pro for $749 with the case and stylus.
ARM provides significantly longer battery life and much thinner devices - you know, stuff that sells the iPad.
Did you see the specs for the Intel-based surface? It's 50% thicker, 50% heavier, and not at all competitive with the iPad in terms of physical size. It probably won't be competitive on battery life either.
You are not most people. People are buying a tablet. They expect tablet-style games. Why are you going on and on about Steam when most people won't give a crap about that at all?
Just get the Pro tablet, be happy, and stop pretending like your preferences apply to the majority.
The Faceless Master
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no reason to get RT version when you can get an Asus Transformer Pad Infinity with a 1080p screen. it's all about 8 Pro.
Willy Wanka
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Well it's the first tablet that I've ever really had a strong desire to own. Hopefully the battery life is decent on the Pro version.
If it's priced lower (probably will to take a chunk of the market), it isn't all that bad. It'll even bring in possible gamers. I don't see them overtaking the majority of the market, but they will make a dent.
The Pro is the real announcement though, I don't give a fuck about tablets.
You can't be serious.
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Windows 8 RT seems more compelling than ICS.
windows 8 has built in anti-virus
Iced_Eagle
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Doesn't seem like it. Windows 8 supports it, but it's probably a cheaper screen if it doesn't have to support pen input. However, I really hope that by not including it in the specs, they mean it won't come with it, but you could still get it separately.
No the big decision if I should get the RT model day one, or if I should just wait 3 months to get the Pro version... Both look amazing though. Really glad that there's something which I really think can be labeled an iPad killer.
The Faceless Master
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case included? you've got to be kidding...
You're about 40 pages late on that joke :/
Me too, so I can wait. I want a windows tablet because I want my transition between my desktop and tablet to be flawless. No way I'm gonna get the gimped RT version.
Yeah I really want one but not willing to pay, so I wait for price drop for the next year like other are suggesting....
Very. I could see Microsoft absorbing some of the cost ala the Xbox to get a foothold in the market.
I'd be very shocked if it went into 4 figures.
Arm = longer battery life , thinner case (runs cooler).
outunderthestars
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There are reasons:
Not wanting to use Android
Wanting native MS Office support
Better UI
ASUS' spotty track record with their transformer tablet build quality...
radioheadrule83
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I suspect there are somewhat restrained meltdowns occuring inside the heads of posters right here in this thread, for some reason. I really don't get it.
He's got a point, I'm not sure I'm happy with vents and cooling fans in a tablet that you're supposed to hold in your hands. Is the Pro going to get as hot as my MBA considering they both house an Core i5 processor? That's not something that I want to see in a tablet.
lunarworks
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It'll be interesting to see how this turns out. I honestly can't predict if it will or will not succeed, and what form of success it will have.
Bingo.
Don't worry, Surface brand protective gloves will be available.
The S3 skimps on a lot of stuff that the Surface Pro doesn't. 64GB SSD, 1080p, Office, Ivy Bridge
The Faceless Master
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not to me. ICS has AndChat. RT has nothing yet, and their multitasking rules may interfere with the ability of a proper IRC client to run in the background. 8 Pro obviously can run mIRC, XChat, etc... no reason to even consider RT over Android.
I don't either. I have Apple devices up the yang but I'm really fired up about the Pro version of the Surface. It really comes down to the digitizer.
It vents out of the edges.
Did you/do you currently spend hours trying to remove viruses from Windows machines?
Gary Whitta
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Macrumors is the forum that was famously full of Apple experts predicting that the iPod would be the death knell for the company.
Dreams-Visions
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Wishful thinking indeed. I think a $749 price point is one that gets announced TODAY, as that price directly competes with the existing iPad, while offering more features.
Just doesn't seem realistic. But who knows...
That's how I see it. Why buy into the RT when you can get an Android/Apple tablet?
I guess I was looking for a sound argument that stands up to the massive amounts of software already available on Apple/Android devices and accessories.
That is blatantly false. The iPad has hundreds of thousands of apps and a much better screen, not to mention better GPU performance.
how is it companies can patent the most retarded software patents, but a cool little idea like this can't be?
software patents need to be more like hardware patents.
la flama blanca
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This thread is so confusing. I want a high performing tablet that I can take notes on at work and also sketch some of my personal artwork/graphical work notes on. Do I want this?
Gary Whitta
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Sounds like you'd be happy with the Pro.
Only the pro version can do the stylus.
The Faceless Master
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... because Microsoft's track record with hardware build quality is so amazing!
also, what build quality track record? they had that one GPS issue due to a metal case and .... what else?
... better UI ... bahahahahhhhahaahahha
Baller. PhD
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Nobody is melting down.
The Pro Surface is 30% heavier than the new iPad and much fatter, and the new iPad is already a bit to heavy for (comfortable) extended use. You will not want to one-hand the Pro Surface while reading a webpage or book. It will only be truly useful as a notebook replacement, in which case... why the fuck wouldn't you just buy an Ultrabook and be done with it?
The Pro Surface sounds cool in theory, but the engineering hasn't caught up with the idea.
The Pro Surface is 30% heavier than the new iPad and much fatter, and the new iPad is already a bit to heavy for (comfortable) extended use. You will not want to one-hand the Pro Surface while reading a webpage or book. It will only be truly useful as a notebook replacement, in which case... why the fuck wouldn't you just buy an Ultrabook and be done with it?
The Pro Surface sounds cool in theory, but the engineering hasn't caught up with the idea.
You might see it significantly on the RT model, but I doubt it'll be as significant for the Pro, because it more competes with ultrabooks than the iPad. I do agree with you to an extent though, and am estimating $799 - $899 with stylus and cover included. I would spring for either price.
Ivy Bridge won't increase the price of ultrabooks, 64GB of flash memory isn't all that much money at retail, Office being bundled I don't see adding to the price either, it'll just be a way to differentiate their tablet.
The main thing would be the 1080p screen as 10.6" is an odd size.
Of course I could be wildly wrong in my guesstimates but who knows, all I would say is I just couldn't see them going into 4 figures with it.
Neodiablo22
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It's nice to now know what tablet they were using in the e3 videos. I was wondering what device they were using.
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