Microsoft Surface Tablet announced
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I'll probably be upgrading from my HP Touchpad to this. I was going to buy an iPad, but I wanted to be certain that I needed a tablet in the first place. After using the HP so much I definitely have a need to be filled beyond my phone and before a full-blown high-end desktop.
Dreams-Visions
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With the continued growth and maturation of Office alternatives on iOS and Android, I just don't know if Office by itself is compelling enough of a reason to make someone buy an RT Windows 8 device over an iOS or Android tablet with hundreds of thousands of apps in addition to Office-compatible apps.
It just seems illogical. I can understand liking the OS more, though. If someone would rather have the OS and few apps over the OSes with lots and lots of apps...it's their money.
certainly if you can wait another 9 months or so, you can just get that.
helluva jump from a device you paid $150 for to one that's probably going to be in the $900-$1000 range. but more power to ya.
And how does the selection of such games look on metro compared to the iPad?
I'm not talking about component prices. I'm talking about what Ultrabooks with those specs are valued at.
Edit: You're seriously not comparing a modern MLC SSD to a class 4 SD card are you…
Uh....what? Any app on the iPad could easily work on Windows RT. Obviously the apps aren't there yet, but the OS itself will easily handle them.
Are you going to tell me that the iPad is more capable than a Windows 7 PC because it has apps that Windows 7 does not?
Again, what the hell are you talking about?
Are you going to pop up in every single Windows 8 thread - an OS that hasn't released yet - and talk about how the iPad is better because it has apps Windows 8 doesn't?
It's completely irrelevant to the specific discussion being had here.
With the continued growth and maturation of Office alternatives on iOS and Android, I just don't know if Office by itself is compelling enough of a reason to make someone buy an RT Windows 8 device over an iOS or Android tablet with hundreds of thousands of apps in addition to Office-compatible apps.
It just seems illogical. I can understand liking the OS more, though. If someone would rather have the OS and few apps over the OSes with lots and lots of apps...it's their money.
certainly if you can wait another 9 months or so, you can just get that.
There's still a market of people who don't own either an iPad nor Android tablet.
fluffydelusions
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Yes, you want the pro version
1k seems like a safe bet and fair for what they are offering.
Same thing for android tablets. Look how that logic works out. Developers need a reason to port.
SquiddyCracker
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Do you need wacoom?
fluffydelusions
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The RT is rumored NVIDIA Tegra (probably 3)
Today I have seen Ballmer in a Mega Man pose, a new tablet, and Shia LaBeouf's penis. Now I must go home and meditate on what it all means.
Gary Whitta
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I think MS will be targeting the base MacBook Air with their Pro pricing. $999, take it to the bank!
I'd pay a grand for that thing in an absolute heartbeat. If it is under $1,000 I am going to be pumped.
That thing is going to be in the hands of every bidness man by next summer.
I can see them undercutting those with equivalent specs since they're going to get revenue from both hardware and software from this product.
It was just a quick off the shelf component, even a regular SSD is only what, about $70 or so for you guys?
I think the kickstand is there to alleviate some of that problem. An ultrabook can't run tablet software, the Pro is trying to be the best of both worlds. That has some appeal, but there are some trade-offs (size, weight, heat, battery life). As excited as I am about the idea of a laptop/tablet hybrid, I have some reservations based on the above. Really have to see and use one of these things to see if the tradeoffs are worth it.
Good Job Bob
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Any videos?
Not rumoured, nVidia confirmed it.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/18/3095909/microsoft-surface-windows-rt-nvidia-tegra
radioheadrule83
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If you're talking graphical artwork with a pressure sensitive stylus, you might want the pro version yes. It's a little thicker and heavier than the RT version, which will probably be targetted to more of a casual user. The RT version does come with Office, but doesn't support legacy (Windows 7 and prior) applications, you'll need new apps from the marketplace. The pro is the full Windows 8 experience, including support of legacy applications. In terms of performance, it would be the pro version you'd want as well. You're looking at a price in the range of ultrabooks.
How are they getting revenue from software? Surely they're not charging their hardware division for a license?
But the apps aren't there, so who is going to buy these tablets at the same price point as the iPad with inferior specs and a vastly inferior app ecosystem?
Tablet purchases aren't generally made on future potential, but what the device can do right now.
It depends on what he means by "high-performing." There might be other (heavier, more expensive) convertible tablets that suit his needs better.
Technosteve
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am I the only one that thinks they are a year late on this? Didn't they show this tablet two CES ago?
Someone just dropped a truth bomb
Chinpoko_Master
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I'm not sure how I feel about this. The cover that also acts as a keyboard is pretty nifty, but I'm worried it might work poorly in practical use. For example, imagine trying to use it as a laptop on a surface that isn't completely flat. You also have to question how responsive the keys and track pad are going to be.
Ultimately, I have no interest in using a tablet like a laptop so this doesn't appeal to me very much. I get the feeling the average consumer might feel the same way. Of course, I could elect to not use it as a laptop but then it's just another tablet, one that is likely going to be more expensive.
It strikes me as very reminiscent of Windows 8 in that they're trying to merge two products that don't necessarily need to be merged. With Windows 8, it's the desktop interface and the touch interface, and with this, it's the tablet and the laptop. I guess it remains to be seen whether or not it turns out to be a good strategy, but I can't say I have much faith.
Ultimately, I have no interest in using a tablet like a laptop so this doesn't appeal to me very much. I get the feeling the average consumer might feel the same way. Of course, I could elect to not use it as a laptop but then it's just another tablet, one that is likely going to be more expensive.
It strikes me as very reminiscent of Windows 8 in that they're trying to merge two products that don't necessarily need to be merged. With Windows 8, it's the desktop interface and the touch interface, and with this, it's the tablet and the laptop. I guess it remains to be seen whether or not it turns out to be a good strategy, but I can't say I have much faith.
But it's completely irrelevant to the discussion. Whether the apps are there or not says nothing about the capabilities of the OS.
I'm talking Windows RT vs. Windows 8. Windows RT is more limited than Windows 8, but there is nothing on iPad that wouldn't run equally well on Windows RT.
So if you're going to talk about Windows RT being the "tard" version, well, what the fuck is an iPad?
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Ho hum just gonna plug my 360 controller in an play trackmania2 while downloading episodes of sgt. frog to watch on the transit, pooh now I'm at work doing work things, ooooo lunch break time for a quick round of cs go, yay back at home time to read a book.
The_Inquisitor
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Yes but could you see yourself replacing your Air with this? I don't think I could. The iPad just doesnt work as an everyday laptop, not that I am saying it should. I am selling my Ipad 3 right now for an air for the fact that it is almost the same size as the iPad but much more capable.
Dreams-Visions
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I would have thought so too. Then again, with release date so far away, maybe not? Idk.
Absolutely, sir. And when those people get to the store, all of these devices will be next to each other. With similar prices, I think the RT is the toughest tablet to sell.
But maybe that's because I know what kind of apps are already available on Android/Apple tablets, since I own both. With any computing deivce, it's the additional software that really matters. I think Metro will trail well behind iOS and Android software released (volume) for years to come. Then again, who knows!
I could see it, yes. The Pro version has a full x86 OS underneath. Why wouldn't someone be able to replace their laptop? It is a laptop basically. If not this model, there are several from Asus/Acer/Lenovo/etc that will offer convertibles and swivels.
For some people it works just fine. It's all a matter of needs.
Oh yeah, good point ha. I guess my mind isn't 100% at quarter to 3 in the morning.
Only one that I've seen so far in my YouTube subs is this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRU4QhedkD0&feature=g-u-u
Gary Whitta
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No question, it's late. It will still be highly disruptive, IMHO.
No because I like using my MBA mostly on my lap when seated in an armchair or on the couch. MS just created the first laptop that you can't use on your lap.
I didn't say it was the tard version. I said its not the real showstopper. Nice try though.
Look back through my posts if you want to. I never said that. The cool features are all in the pro though native full windows 8 support and stylus support.
That's fantastic. Windows 8 isn't even out yet. There's no indication about what apps will be there at launch.
I was comparing to iPad as a point of argument between Windows 8 and Windows RT, not about what you should buy right now.
Because, you know, you can't buy Windows 8 or Windows RT right now. This should be obvious shit dude.
I'm a proud owner of a TF101. I really do love it... in spite of the build quality. Also in spite of all the ICS issues that have only recently been addressed. I love my TF. I love Android. But I am ready for something new.
You responded to me.
Good Job Bob
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Thanks.
Because you inserted an irrelevant argument into a discussion you weren't even a part of in the first place.
The pro needed Windows 8. I honestly don't think it is late because Apple hasn't been able to make significant inroads into the Enterprise users yet. Sure they've made dents but there has not been a wide move in offices.
It's a much easier sell to get those offices into Windows 8 with a portable solution that requires no additional legwork from the IT guys and runs the standard OS.
Had Apple taken a huge, appreciable chunk of that business away I'd say they were late, but that just hasn't happened yet. Launching this before they had their operating system would have been suicide.
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