Gary Whitta
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nm misread your post.
Microsoft Surface Tablet announced
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/6016/microsoft-surface-we-go-hands-on
50 words per minute sounds pretty good to me
50 words per minute sounds pretty good to me
We'll likely get info on Wednesday.
While not guaranteed, it is quite possible WP7 will run on WinRT (and therefore Windows RT and Windows 8).
I wouldn't go that far.
It's like arguing ultrabooks aren't intended for the public, which Surface Pro essentially is. It's basically a hybrid ultrabook and is going to be priced competitively with them. We've already seen similar hybrids recently ... are none of those meant for consumers?
This really isn't the place for this. Check out the Windows 8, etc. threads. But here's a quick summary.
Surface Pro runs Windows 8. It runs anything a desktop computer can plus the new WinRT 'metro' apps.
1) Surface Pro
2) Surface Pro is a Windows 8 computer. Regular Surface (Windows RT) runs only metro apps, and Windows Office (in an special desktop mode)
3) Both support Windows Office
4) Surface Pro
5) Both. All of the services MS offers will be made to work with WinRT, so they'll be available on either.
they changed the name of the old surface to pixelsense.
This is different on Windows 8, btw. Developers are free to integrate with Microsoft's in-app purchase system, giving up 30%, or they can use their own service and bypass Microsoft's cut entirely:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/windowsstore/archive/2011/12/06/announcing-the-new-windows-store.aspx
And that 30% goes to 20% once the app has grossed $25,000 in total revenue from app purchases + in-app purchases (through Microsoft's service)
Almost everyone did. Which brings me to my hypothesis of the Internet, if geeks love it it will flop. Everyone seems to be in love with the Surface, might not be good news.
I have a few complaints:
- 16:9? I've held 16:9 tablets and they were too tall.
- 1080p? After seeing the Retina display who will downgrade to this?
- I have too chose between ARM and Intel? I hate having to make more than I hated my overly sensitive car alarm, and I bet a lot of average day folks hate that too. Whatever choice you make you will be giving up something.
- No price or launch date info. If it ships by time Windows 8 ships then that's very late.
Yeah I realize it doesn't have a battery (I own a Transformer) ... but you bring up a good point. I haven't thought about the weight issue. It'll be interesting to see how that pans out.
understood.
I too am skeptical about what's basically an 11" ultrabook/air. Not sure I can see myself using it for heavy production activities due to keyboard and screen size, which makes the RT more attractive. Then again I rarely do anything particularly productive on my lap anyway ... so one could always hook this up to a KVM for real duties.
W8 tablets are meant to be held in landscape, they support both but landscape is what it is designed for.
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I could be won over, but 16:9 is ick on a tablet. It might not be a deal-breaker on its own, but it's not encouraging.
Oh that's really cool. I thought it looked like felt a bit ... didn't realize it actually is. That should at least have a little give when placed on top of the membrane. The tactile feel will certainly be interesting. You're basically typing on cloth
Gary Whitta
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Front page of CNN.
Good for comics and magazines though!
It's kinda funny thinking back to the iPad unveiling, since most of the criticism was:
--What, it's not running OSX?
--What, it's just a really big iPhone?
--I can do way more than the iPad on my $250 netbook! And it runs real Windows!
Now we have an actual tablet running an actual desktop OS, and the reaction seems kinda muted due to the very obvious pricing issues.
The affordable WindowsRT tablet is once again a very big phone, with its own dedicated apps and a walled garden approach to software.
--What, it's not running OSX?
--What, it's just a really big iPhone?
--I can do way more than the iPad on my $250 netbook! And it runs real Windows!
Now we have an actual tablet running an actual desktop OS, and the reaction seems kinda muted due to the very obvious pricing issues.
The affordable WindowsRT tablet is once again a very big phone, with its own dedicated apps and a walled garden approach to software.
saltywalrus
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I remain skeptical. If it's possible, why did MS post documentation on how to port WP7 apps to Metro style just a few weeks ago?
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/hh465136.aspx
Gary Whitta
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No, terrible! Show me a comic that has pages in that aspect ratio.
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I think it's kind of funny.
I was looking at microsoft.com/surface earlier today.
It still showed Microsoft's web site detailing their "Surface" table-top computer.
Google searches for "Microsoft Surface Samsung" will show the old cached description of the page, mentioning the latest 40" Samsung tabletop touch computer.
I was looking at microsoft.com/surface earlier today.
It still showed Microsoft's web site detailing their "Surface" table-top computer.
Google searches for "Microsoft Surface Samsung" will show the old cached description of the page, mentioning the latest 40" Samsung tabletop touch computer.
cartoon_soldier
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People...this is not a portrait tablet. Landscape all the way.
I have a Transformer and comics look pretty damn good in portrait mode as long as there aren't any 2 page spreads. The new iPad blew it away of course...the added resolution made two pages perfectly legible side-by-side in landscape.
since we're talking about comics:
is it feasible to comfortably read through an entire comic page in the latest iPad without the need to zoom in and screw around like that? (not counting that panel-to-panel smart view)
I guess just needing to scroll vertically is good enough
can you?
is it feasible to comfortably read through an entire comic page in the latest iPad without the need to zoom in and screw around like that? (not counting that panel-to-panel smart view)
I guess just needing to scroll vertically is good enough
can you?
Gary Whitta
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It used to be a bit squinty but now with the retina display full-page comics look amazing and are perfectly readable.
The UI is designed for landscape. Main reason - dual apps.
Based on Apple's specification, it's retina. And based on their claims of what retina means, you should not actually notice a difference at expected viewing distances.
iPad's resolution was chosen for app compatibility. Had that not been an issue they would have gone lower if it saved them money ... as long as it still fit into the retina formula.
Then you should stick with Apple. One of my main issues with Apple is the lack of choice, if you see it as a benefit ... go for it.
Later this year is very late?
I use smartview, having it on one page is too small for me.
Dude ... 2 days. Hold your horses
Gary Whitta
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In the sense that they should have done this much earlier, yes.
dang
im totally ending up with one of these in the long run, arent I
Comixology should really get into the hardware biz with a partner or something and release its own cheap, comic-only (or at least comic-reading-based) tablet. The only thing you need is proper screen size and the ability to swipe. Id buy 5.
I used to think that too, but Marty Chinn convinced me in this thread that comics are closer to 16:9 than 4:3
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=32704533
I don't even have a problem reading them on iPad 2 without needing to zoom around. I've read so many comics on my iPad it's crazy.
MeBecomingI
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This actually looks kind of nice. It is like a really smooth hybrid between a "netbook" and a "tablet." Interesting for sure. Likely won't buy it because I just don't see the need for it (personally as my life just doesn't require something like a tablet), but I'd certainly look at something like this over anything else right now if I were in the market because of the complete Windows 8 OS and the keyboard cover combination which is a brilliant idea.
It certainly looks nice and has some unique, but useful features it seems. It is making some big headlines, so good for Microsoft. Hopefully Sony can come out with something soon that can grab the headlines like Microsoft is getting and pushes the envelope with the tablet market. Nice to see Microsoft get in there with hopefully a strong competitive product to the iPad, but the market needs more of it.
Colour me impressed, Microsoft.
It certainly looks nice and has some unique, but useful features it seems. It is making some big headlines, so good for Microsoft. Hopefully Sony can come out with something soon that can grab the headlines like Microsoft is getting and pushes the envelope with the tablet market. Nice to see Microsoft get in there with hopefully a strong competitive product to the iPad, but the market needs more of it.
Colour me impressed, Microsoft.
And 4:3 is better?
I have no problem with comics in portrait mode on my Transformer.
Marty Chinn
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Eh it's true on comics. When I view a comic on my Transformer, it fills the screen pretty much. When I view it on my iPad, there is a bit of a border. It fits 16:9 better.
Wiktor
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I think they do, at least that's how it was few months ago. No matter if you own the infrastructure or not, if you do in-app purchase you need to give Apple a cut. YOu can use content in those apps that you buy through amazon website, but you can't have a link in your app to such website or even mention it's existence. What's more..afair, even if you do offer in-app purchases through Apple you can't price the content lower in your webstore, the in-app version always needs to be the on the cheapest level avaible.
Which is why those companies do not bother with in-app purchases at all, as it makes no economical sense and that's how Apple wanted it.
Gary Whitta
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I stand corrected!
Yep.
Really not understanding the argument against the aspect ratio for this use.
You really have been a bit brainwashed ... haven't you?
IPAD 1 9.7 1024x768 - 132ppi
Ipad 3 9.7 2048x1536 - 264ppi
Surface pro 10.6 1920x1080 - 207ppi
So it should look much better than the ipad 1/2. I would have perfered a 264ppi or higher screen but its not a big deal and i will upgrade in 2-3 years anyway and i'm sure by then the 264 ppi screens will be considered small.
The answer to this question is all I need to know before I reach for the credit card...
here is a good article (video as well) talking about how Microsoft designed the OS, its all based on you using your thumbs. The article is old though, from early feb. The consumer preview (beta) had not even been released yet.
http://gizmodo.com/5882797/designing-windows-8-or-how-to-redesign-a-religion
so having this tablet in landscape i don't think is a big deal.
http://gizmodo.com/5882797/designing-windows-8-or-how-to-redesign-a-religion
so having this tablet in landscape i don't think is a big deal.
google is going to announce a tablet at google i/o in a week or so.
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that or he needs sleep. depends on where he lives.
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i really wanna see what google will do. the more competition the better. i am not hyped but i really want them to do well.
Gary Whitta
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Why, because I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong? I should get a fucking medal for that in this thread.
Please keep the brainwash/format wars shit out of it. It's tiresome and just obscures whatever point you're trying to make. Most of my posts in here are talking about how exciting the Surface is so obviously I'm a hipster who hates anything without an Apple logo on it.
Shogmaster
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You do look a bit hipster-ish...
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Yes. I read tons of comics on my iPad. Best way to read em. No scrolling or zooming needed.
Anyway as for surface, looks good but worthless without pricing and battery life. Also October+? Ehh.
Google is probably happy they didnt shoot for affordable since that seems to be the nexus tablets thing. I/O should be interesting.
Gary Whitta
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I'm not wearing any!
There, now you've all got that image in your head for calling me a hipster.
I bought an Xbox 360 using NewEgg's app. I seriously doubt they handed Apple $60 for that. Game consoles have like zero margin on them......they probably would have lost $50 on the sale. Perhaps it's different for physical products as opposed to DLC.
That's not an IAP lol...otherwise your bank or brokerage would be paying apple money each time you did a transaction.
Marty Chinn
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No an Android tablet and soon a Windows tablet will be the best way to read comics. The best experience is not on an iPad.
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