How do you know it's passively cooled? That big vent all around the perimeter does not make sense if there is no fan in it...
Microsoft Surface Tablet announced
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heh no but this thing is guranteed to sell at least 200 mil. Hell vista sold 350.
Beer Monkey
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FUCKING LOVE that USB port.
Those will play fine with the touchpad too. (I hope)
Do you know this for a fact? I can only wish it does not have a registry but I am not that hopeful. Registry is one of the biggest problems with windows in general.
I think he means it will be a gentle fan. Otherwise you will have a fan that revs to match cpu performance that would drastically reduce battery life.
RunTime
I think he's referring to that being a possible userbase. I know people like to use Vista licenses as some sort of reference of worst case, but that totally ignores the huge amount of businesses that bought Vista licenses only to run XP.
Dreams-Visions
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sorry, I thought that was confirmed. if it's not, i'll be interested in what the "not plugged into the wall" experience is going to be like. then again, it's like 8 or 9 months away. we'll see...eventually.
Marty Chinn
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There are way more than 200 million PCs running Windows out there. The 200 million number would be Windows 8 specifically.
=)
All the computers I have seen in the corporate environment that came with vista have been wiped and XP installed on them. Once you subtract all that, what do you think is a realistic number for Vista? 200M?
well yes, eventually. I still don't see a huge uptake in metro applications right off the bat. I thought that their move of forcing metro on the free visual studio was great and was upset they backtracked
well yes, but that will be years. Not this userbase that is sitting there day 1
No, that's why I said earlier I'm not sure.
It wouldn't surprise me if Windows RT didn't have the registry since it relies on the app store.
Not having a registry seems to follow the paradigm that Windows RT doesn't support legacy desktop applications.
Probably a good guess. Anyway, it will sell a lot, the app ecosystem is the last thing you need to worry about imo.
Hmmm...either people on this board are idiots or they are being obtuse. But I'll bite.
Ok, how about, these can only run apps downloaded from the Windows Marketplace.
These here can run those downloaded from the Windows Marketplace, and can run everything else too.
The Windows Marketplace is an online store where you can purchase and download applications straight to your device.
Ok, how about, these can only run apps downloaded from the Windows Marketplace.
These here can run those downloaded from the Windows Marketplace, and can run everything else too.
The Windows Marketplace is an online store where you can purchase and download applications straight to your device.
Wiktor
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It should work well with cover though
I feel most corporations will go with workstations like the Lenovo Thinkpads, Dell Latitudes, or HP EliteBooks. To be honest Windows 7 is microsofts LTS OS, so companies will probably solely use that until Windows 9 or whatever comes out. Other than business men that need that extra swag to make business deals I doubt the Surface would become a adopted by the business world.
However I think it will sell great with first year college students.
Well, the corporations you have seen are retarded. They should have done what my company(a rather large one) did and skip it.
Dreams-Visions
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if you purchase the cover, sure. and presuming you don't plan to use the thing in your lap like you would a regular laptop (the cover doesn't appear to be a very stable solution for lap usage) which is something I do often.It should work well with cover though
is there a device LoL can't run on?
but really...that's going to require a kb&m. why not just buy an ultrabook that will give you more power, space and probably battery life with the same money?
and with MOBAs...we're talking what? 20-50 minutes per match? you're going to be tethered to a wall too. lol. I can't imagine this being good for prolonged gaming sessions. Just based on battery life alone.
Do not understand...they did skip it and put XP on them? The computers from dell came with Vista, but they wiped them and installed XP Pro with their sitewide licensing agreement from a disk image along with all the required apps. They did not need to buy XP, did not want Vista, but still needed new computers, so this was the solution.
Yeah I've played LoL on a atom netbook way worse then a i5 ivy bridge.
Maybe he wants a tablet when he wants a tablet and a gaming laptop when he wants a gaming laptop. Ultrabook doesn't fit one of those use cases.
Dreams-Visions
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holy shit, LoL can run on ATOM??!!!?
mind = blown.
and a tablet might not fit one of those cases either. until we have some bench marks...next year...we won't know. now will we?
Know why? I'll tell you why, and it has very little to do with the OS itself. Most home brew CRAPlications (yes, craplications) are so archaic in design that they do not run on Vista, or newer versions of IE. My company alone, (multi billion dollar conglomerate) has to host a myriad of old applications and fucking WEB SITES in Internet Explorer 6 in Citrix. Smaller to medium sized companies often times live and die by a single application they use to manage their business. These are often times 10+ years old, and designed the worst way possible by some barely skilled consultant years earlier. Introduce a newer OS with newer standards and bam, applications stop working and dumb dumbs are left scratching their heads as to whats going on.
"Its Windows Vista! DERP, Look when I re-install XP it runs!"
"Good job Gary! You're so smart!"
Vista is a good OS, but when companies are too cheap and treat IT like a service department they get to lay in the bed they made for themselves. Companies downgrading to Vista are too dumb or too cheap to invest how to figure out why their old applications dont run on Vista/7.
As I'm typing this there are a guy people reading this and sparks are igniting. Finally you people realize why your company is still on XP in 2012. Old CRAPlications.
LoL should run fine, and Dota 2 should work great as well. The source engine since Portal 2 has been optimized for the sandy bridge and now Ivy Bridge chip sets.
Yeah it wasn't pretty and it was like 10-30fps and load times took forever but it ran.
Dreams-Visions
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this assumes similar clocks to reviewed ULVs, right?
That's probably not a safe assumption at this point. Wait for reviews to confirm. It might be okay for those games...but it might not be.
that's amazing to me.
I would say for moba games, that person's use case would be fine.
Well regardless the Source engine has always ran extremely well. If anything you could just run it at low settings.
Ignatz Mouse
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Has anyone pointed out that, with the USB port, you can use the Surface to run iTunes to load up your iPhone and iPad?
IT'S THE MOTHER TABLET!
IT'S THE MOTHER TABLET!
Complex Shadow
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shit. you made it to 30 fps? my laptop goes/stays in between 35- 20. no joke, it was hard as hell to play. random spikes made it worse.
faceless007
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What would be cooler is if they built the 360 wireless receiver right into the thing.
Burger
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I think it's an extremely difficult message to convey. It's difficult to differentiate when Windows 8 RT and Windows 8 are both called Windows, and run different and incompatible apps on different devices that happen to look identical and both be called 'Surface'. I'm pretty tech savvy and I find it confusing.
In my opinion, Windows RT should have never used the word Windows at all, and the Pro model should have never used the brand 'Surface'. Currently the device is called Microsoft Surface for Windows 8 Pro. Are you kidding me?
Betta Lines
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It is, and sadly fair game for all the fat jokes that go along with that. It's thicker and a fair bit heavier than the original iPad. It also appears to have a fan with venting like that? This is a laptop spec device... the only thing that makes it interesting is the stylus... if it's a viable alternative to a Cintiq, then it makes sense. If not, I think I'd probably just pick a small laptop instead.
Ignatz Mouse
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It's got quite a bit more going for it than a stylus.
Marty Chinn
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I don't think you put the focus on Windows RT and Windows 8 though with these devices. You market it as Surface and Surface Pro, or Windows Surface and Windows Surface Pro. I don't think it's that hard to push a message that your base version does Metro, and your Pro version does Metro and Backwards Compatible. Now if they're going to have too many terms out there in the spotlight, then ya, the message gets lost, but if you focus on just the base and pro concept, and have all those other terms in the background, it's super simple. It couldn't get any more simple to push.
Plus, it'll be less fragmented than iOS is getting =)
Isn't just the Surface and Surface Pro. The first runs Windows RT the Second runs Windows 8.
Betta Lines
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Such as?
DataStream
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http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/19/3097726/surface-microsoft-next-chapter
Good read. Topolsky seems to have turned a corner in his thinking about windows 8
Good read. Topolsky seems to have turned a corner in his thinking about windows 8
Sir, with this one, you can only install, that means add, an app to your device by using the windows marketplace. This other one does not have that restriction.
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Jake Tower
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Evil. I like that.
Gary Whitta
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First me, now Topolsky! Microsoft is really getting the tastemakers on board.
Burger
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You guys are reading the branding wrong.
These are branded under 'Surface', or 'Microsoft Surface' in long form. Surface is a family of personal computers for Windows 8.
There are 2 models:
-Surface for Windows RT.
-Surface for Windows 8 Pro.
I'm not sure if these are final, but let's fucking hope not. I think the confusion comes from Microsoft's use of the word 'Windows', as if it's a cohesive single OS. It's not, they've radically branched it off into two architectures that don't play with each other and that distinction should be reflected in the brand.
Source: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/press/2012/jun12/06-18announce.aspx
when you boot up the release preview there is no Windows 8 branding, it just says Windows. So you might be right. Every other version of Windows has had the OS version branding when you boot up.
Technosteve
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Gary Whitta
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I expect this to be far better than the Xoom. But no cellular capability = DOA.
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