Microsoft Surface Tablet announced
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I hope someone buys one Day 1 and sets it on fire.
No... The reality was that technology was not yet created. Huge processors, poor batteries, no capacitive screens, no BT, no Wi-Fi. The failure was mostly technological.
Technosteve
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I just realize the NeXT computers were mag cases too.
The device seems pretty packed... It should burn great. I'd stay the fuck away when it's actually burning though.
Never knew there was such a cool technology behind that. Metal glass? Awesome.
Slayer-33
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Holy shit lol.
Kung Fu Jedi
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That's been the plan all along. They're hoping to replicate the success Apple has had at retail and they've copied the formula very well. VERY well. It's crazy how much the stores look alike.
Then why does nobody care about Windows 7 tablets?
There have been Windows tablets for the entirety of the last decade.....even after capacative screens and Wi-Fi. None of them ever took off......those failures were not technological. The devices were too expensive and not engineered for the masses (as the iPad has shown, you cannot just throw a desktop OS onto a tablet).
Dreams-Visions
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indeed. I could have gone into great detail in that reply, but I prefer to believe fellow posters are more intelligent than that.
If anyone looked at that picture and said, "yep..." they're too ignorant to entertain conversation with on the subject. Windows on the TabletPC failed because it was regular old windows, that performed poorly on the thin tablet form-factor (because of mediocre cpus, gpus and PATA hard drives), because the regular Windows XP desktop wasn't designed for pen input (even up to and through Windows 7), because very few applications actually made any decent use of the wacom displays, and battery life was usually pretty bad. Why would people want to buy a slow (by the day's standards) tablet for more money and a less enjoyable experience over a laptop? The wouldn't, so they largely didn't. They just bought Wacom digitizer pads from Intuos and called it a day.
The iPad was a completely different vision of tablet computing entirely. Simple OS. Simplified applications with everything built around touch. Strong battery life and the removal of memory/cpu hogging desktop software like Flash. It was laughed at as a "big iPod touch" until people got them in their hands and realized that the majority of things they did on their bigass laptops and desktops could be done on an iPad faster. No long waits to load a web browser or music player. or anything else for that matter. The iPad simplified the computing experience and sped it up, while not removing the core parts of what we expect to be able to do.
Windows 8 attempts to be part legacy Windows and part iPad in the sense that Metro is their take on the simplified tablet experience designed around pure touch that Gates never understood (though maybe he does now) as successfully communicated and executed by Apple...and the Windows side is just that: Windows.
Perhaps Apple should be credited with influencing the tablet industry to create full UI's and apps around touch, which is something Microsoft was never able to do or convince others to do before the iPhone and iPad's resounding success. But they didn't "steal" the idea from Apple. They just flowed with the wave of good ideas like everyone else and created their take on touch: WinPhone7 --> Win8.
In summary: the picture is for stupid people. It preys on the biases of the ignorant and it's sad to see that even relatively intelligent GAFers can be made victims.
you only needed 2 words to answer your question
Dreams-Visions
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No, the failure was visionary.
Microsoft was never on board with the notion of a simplified, touch-based OS made specifically for the product. If they had been, they could have used smaller processors generating better battery life. And of course there was wifi. lol. There has been wifi for the last several years, but the TabletPC industry has remained a footnote.
The issue was an almost allergic refusal to embrace the notion that touch screens (whether with fingers or a stylus) need apps and UI experiences designed especially for them. Ballmer AND Gates were steadfastly against this thinking...and it's the sole reason why they're playing catch-up yet again.
I'm not. But if you are, do step away.
I...don't get it. lol.
Are you saying it's doing fine, though I'm not using it? If so...well, I never said otherwise. I simply asked how it was doing. Or was there a more intuitive point you're making here?
if you don't read the text, sure.
Good Job Bob
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Gizmodo tells it like it is:
http://gizmodo.com/5919521/microsoft-surface-just-made-the-macbook-air-and-the-ipad-obsolete
http://gizmodo.com/5919521/microsoft-surface-just-made-the-macbook-air-and-the-ipad-obsolete
Dreams-Visions
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quoting Giz? really? the people eternally banned from every Apple event makes a sensationalist title about the Mac Air and iPad vs the Surface and...you eat it up.
Damn dude, you're in deep.
I'll use any tech if I consider it the best option out there for me. I owned an Iphone and own a nexus now and I own an Ipad.
But I think it's hilarious how Apple fanboys react to this. The funny thing is that if this releases the Pro would be THE premium tablet and the only holes people are trying to poke at it are minor at best compared to all the advantages it'll have over an Ipad.
The only things I would consider a downside compared to an Ipad are the cost and battery life. All the rest is just trying to find tiny flaws or creating problems that aren't any because they want to show how superior their product is.
People who really give a damn about tech and have some understanding of it could see the advantages and disadvantages of any device and buy the better product and not the one their favourite company makes.
But I think it's hilarious how Apple fanboys react to this. The funny thing is that if this releases the Pro would be THE premium tablet and the only holes people are trying to poke at it are minor at best compared to all the advantages it'll have over an Ipad.
The only things I would consider a downside compared to an Ipad are the cost and battery life. All the rest is just trying to find tiny flaws or creating problems that aren't any because they want to show how superior their product is.
People who really give a damn about tech and have some understanding of it could see the advantages and disadvantages of any device and buy the better product and not the one their favourite company makes.
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"Simple and honest?"
What, is the Surface a song by Utada Hikaru?
What, is the Surface a song by Utada Hikaru?
Jake Tower
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What's misleading about it? Honest question. I don't follow these things closely.
Gary Whitta
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Yeah Giz, the site that nurses an eternal grudge against Apple. I'm sure they're telling it exactly like it is. Would click to confirm but I don't give that site hits.
Oh wait, I can see the words "iPad obsolete" at the end of the hotlink. That's all I need to see to know this story is a joke.
Gizmodo LOL.
Dreams-Visions
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1.) I don't think anyone has disagreed that the Pro would be superior to the iPad. If you've seen such posts, quote them rather than speaking in generalities. I've not seen comments here to the contrary.
2.) At the price we're expecting it to land in (50%-100% more than an iPad, depending on model), it damn well should be THE premium tablet. Why wouldn't it be? And for that matter, why wouldn't all Windows 8 tablet PC's running Ivy Bridge processors? It's a matter of price. At around $1k, these are addressing a different market than iPads are addressing. If iPads were $1000, there'd be a different level of expectation accompanying them. At half that price, things are different.
3.) Cost and battery life are "minor concerns"? You might want to rethink that comment entirely.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=39050180&postcount=5211
Might have come across wrongly because English isn't my first or second language. But battery and price are imo the only real concerns to be had.
And I'm not just talking about this thread but by the general reactions on the web.
Dreams-Visions
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Understood. and yes, those are major concerns to be had. battery life less than 5 hours will be a show-stopper for many people here, despite the early excitement. and pricing over $1000 will have a similarly chilling effect. People talk a good game until it's time to pony up, and 8 months is a long time for the boner to go down.
If Adobe built LightRoom for it, you could use Lightroom. In other news: you can't run RT on the $500-$600 Surface either. So...yea.
I would submit to you that if iPads were $1000, they wouldn't be running iOS. They'd be running OSX and be significantly more powerful in order to compete at that price point with other computing products. And then you'd be able to run existing LightRoom on it if that's your desire.
Or did you not consider that? Again, different goals for different price points. See: Windows RT, iOS.
So you'd want Apple to just put OSX on a tablet and not make it more touch friendly? MS' strategy since 2002 vindicated?
And if Lightroom was built for Metro it would run on RT. But lets wish in one hand and crap in the other and see what gets filled first.
Apple GAF is slacking.
But will fifteen defensive company fanboys overanalyze and nitpick the fuck out of this image until all the hilarity has been killed off?
Dreams-Visions
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I wouldn't make the product at all. I'm simply addressing your train of logic, which made little sense to me. In the scenario, it'd be a version of OSX that is designed around touch. Is that what you're asking? Or are you asking if I'd just prefer Adobe design a version of Lightroom around touch? If so, then yes.
Applications like Lightroom--in their present UI design--don't work on touch/pen interfaces very well. This conversation is stupid unless premised by a UI redesign by Adobe anyway. I wouldn't want to run current lightroom on either a Surface or an iPad. Actually, I wouldn't want Lightroom at all. I'm a Photoshop guy, and shudder to think of what opening and editing one of my 1.5GB poster PSD's would be like on either tablet. fuck that.
I didn't believe this was real...but that serial plug pretty much confirms it.
This is still my favorite one.
It's crazy when you think about it but Apple of today is basically NeXT, a PC company that was basically a complete failure. With most of the major devisions being ran by NeXT staff that came over with Jobs. The entire Mac division is under Craig Frederici, who is from NeXT. iOS division is under Scott Forstall, also from NeXT.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/19/3097726/surface-microsoft-next-chapter
Surprisingly, Josh gets it.
Dreams, when you coming around dude? I know someone in this thread will convince you. I just know it.
Joshua Topolsky said:
Surprisingly, Josh gets it.
Dreams, when you coming around dude? I know someone in this thread will convince you. I just know it.
We talking about Apple or Microsoft fanboys?
The history of Apple is honestly pretty interesting, I like to think that we are watching MS transform into something "new". It's an exciting time for us OS nerds.
Marty Chinn
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This is what I've been pointing out for the last two years. I hope it takes off.
Dreams-Visions
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coming around to what?
I already own more TabletPCs than you do, and will own more in the future. Was I supposed to be newly convinced by something?
The writers at Conan seem to think so.
(There was a joke last night about Microsoft's version of the iPad)
Dreams-Visions
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Comics gonna comic.
Getting one of the Windows 8 Pro Surfaces? Or sticking to Windows 7?
I don't think he does. If the Pro model costs just as much as an ultrabook, with worse battery life...whats the point? And its significantly heavier than the current ipad, not even counting the cover/keyboard.
Also, the whats the attraction for the low end model? Its just another tegra3 slab hardware wise. Everyone is just that excited for the fancy finish and the kickstand?
east of eastside
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If some one can explain how Microsoft didn't just fuck each one of its OEM (particularly Windows RT) partners, I will patiently listen.
funkystudent
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So does this thing have a on screen keyboard?
Is it any good? I know they really wanted to push the cover/keyboard but I'm a little worried the on screen keyboard is really bad or something if they completely ignored it.
Is it any good? I know they really wanted to push the cover/keyboard but I'm a little worried the on screen keyboard is really bad or something if they completely ignored it.
brotkasten
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To be honest, dropping the Apple brand and that ugly ass logo for NeXT and the old logo would be pretty great. That, or an iPad with black matte finish and the old Apple logo would be cool too.
Has any computer device that costs around 1000 "taken off"? Since the RT is basically no different than iPad in terms of ability, the Pro is the one that fits the description. The 1K+ market for Windows PC's is an extreme niche, and we all know how still to this day how small the marketshare Macs have (all cost 1K and above).
The punchline was, "Yea the announcement is that nobody is going to buy this." He then went on to say it was probably gonna be a battery powered etch sketch.
Which I now realize is pretty clever since it's made of magnesium. lol
What? You can mount devices to an RT tablet to print, drives to copy data, external monitors for separate displays. So forth and so on.
yes it does, and i have no idea. i don't have a touch screen. People praise the one on Windows Phone though.
The difference being here that app developers can develop Metro apps for productivity given that the apps will be available to all Windows 8 PC owners(so they will have kb/m). These Surface RT(~$500) owners with their little keyboards could definitely reap the benefit of that.
If it is 1000, or similiar to Ultrabook pricing, they are also cannibalizing ultrabook sales as well. Or maybe MS thinks people are willing to step up to 1000 for the slate experience.
brotkasten
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Are you suggesting that you know more about technology than Joshua Topolsky?
There's only two ways they didn't.
1. The price on both units is higher than we think, giving OEM's room to breathe.
2. They aren't planning on producing these in massive numbers, but more like limited edition reference models.
That's it. If those don't happen, OEM's are hosed. Not that I care. If you want to make good software, you should make your own hardware.
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