not with the price though. $150 - $200 will see it sell very very well.
Microsoft Surface Tablet announced
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not with the price though. $150 - $200 will see it sell very very well.
ThatCrazyGuy
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Hmm. Interesting. Hope they come through. I want a 7in tablet (android or iOS).
la flama blanca
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If this thing can play Dota 2, well fuck, just have my money.
The pro can play it fine, the RT variant cannot
la flama blanca
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You think fine targeting with your finger might be iffy though?
Ignatz Mouse
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A full os that also runs a entire ecosystem of touch apps.
Dreams-Visions
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I think we should save such confident conclusions for when the device is reviewed. I imagine it can too, but GAF has sufficiently worried me with questions about down-clocking. I think waiting for reviews is the most reasonable answer to questions about gaming prowess. The benchmarks will tell the tale; not conjecture about a product 8 months from store shelves.
obviously an external kb&m will be required. and if you plan on using the case for your kb&m while playing Dota2, i don't want to be on your team.
I have no idea how well the gameplay translates to touchscreens, but the pro model does have a digitizer to use a pen with and supports mouse and keyboards.
Even with downclocking, this will be running on a different generation of ivy bridge and dota2 isn't exactly a demanding game. My definition of "fine" on this tablet is low settings by the way.
Windows tablets are DOA then as well?
ARM, cheaper devices, better battery, thinner, lighter etc..
Microsoft did not want to put all of their eggs in one basket which is smart, because intel still has a ways to go.
Because Pro will cost around $1,000.
Dreams-Visions
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I understand. I just...I'd recommend waiting for reviews before drawing any absolute conclusions is all. I hope it can...I'm buying a Win8 tablet (whether this one or some other one)...but at this point, I'd rather wait than give definitive statements about things like this. we just don't know enough about it.
Burger
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Provided the developer coded an x86 version right? Or is does the compiler spit out ARM/x86 versions of the software? If so, why no universal apps?
Gary Whitta
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Yes, because not a single Windows tablet will have LTE.
When submitting to the marketplace it is automatically compiled to both ARM and x86. Nothing needed from the developer. All apps on marketplace will work on both ARM and x86.
Marty Chinn
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I stand corrected. I kept seeing people saying Surface Pro and assumed that was the official name for it as announced from the conference. As I said before, focusing on Windows RT and Windows 8 is probably the wrong way to go so there we are in agreement.
I still think it's ok to call both devices Surface and it's not hard to market them differentiating factor between the two either if you have a base and a pro model. Pointing those differences are easy as long as you build your marketing around them. That happens all the time.
Where I do disagree with you is the thought of not calling Surface running Windows RT a Windows device. It still is a Windows device and it's important to keep that in the same line. Just like it's important to know that iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad are all iOS devices despite there being a difference in what you can run on them. Not exactly the same, but you still have people needing to understand you can't run iPad apps that you bought there on an iPhone. It's not a perfect analogy but it is a similar issue. Going forward, Microsoft has to convey that every device running Windows means it can run Metro style apps. That is the baseline commonality between them so it's ok to unify that it is a Windows device. The only key thing they have to do is make it easy to understand what can run legacy and what cannot. I still don't think that's a hard message to convey either.
DataStream
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I don't think its a big deal. Thats why it has full sized USB ports. No matter which carrier you are on you will have support when you need it.
And not a single Android one will? I was comparing the Google Nexus tablet to the Windows "Nexus" tablet. Neither have LTE. And I don't see why that makes Google's DOA and Microsoft's just fine.
Gary Whitta
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I guess so but I don't love the idea of plugging a fat-ass dongle into my sexy little portable device whenever I'm not near wifi.
Dreams-Visions
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should be pretty funny seeing people with cell phone dongles sticking out of the side of their tablets. 1 step forward, 2 steps back.
fret not, I'm sure Lenovo or someone will have that covered.
I can think of one reason: channels. Microsoft has them. Apple has them. Where does Google sell this, front page of google.com?
That's a weak-ass reason though. Are there figures on the sales split between carrier and wi-fi only tablets?
Good Job Bob
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Has this been posted yet:
Why a dongle? Why not just turn on WiFi sharing on your phone?
Gary Whitta
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Yes, and it was dismissed as the usual misleading partisan junk that it is.Has this been posted yet:
Burger
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I did not know that.
yeah
Dreams-Visions
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Has this been posted yet:
intellectually dishonest images don't often get posted on GAF because they get ripped apart.
this would be one of those that should have stayed off because it is the height of intellectual dishonesty.
Marty Chinn
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It's one of the key factors to everything and why a Windows ARM tablet is viable. It'll gain everything moving forward from the benefits of Windows 8 on x86 when it comes to apps.
What is "intellectually dishonest" about that image?
Dreams-Visions
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with the caveat that all apps that aren't designed for or submitted to the Windows Marketplace still won't be ARM-compatible. but yessir.
I hope this isn't a serious inquiry. Surely you're smart enough to decipher why the TabletPC largely failed and why tablets with simpler user interfaces and apps flourished.
DataStream
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I am not the target market for this, I don't use devices like this outside of wi-fi zones often (and have tether apps for when I do). Tis true someone else will offer built in cellular.
The thing I find disappointing is that its displayport and not thunderbolt. If this had thunderbolt it would replace everything, including a gaming desktop. But again, the Acer does have thunderbolt...
I imagine that the lack of these types of features is in part to keep the cost down. I think that these will end up costing less than people are expecting. Microsoft is likely planning to use the device as leverage with its OEMs to normalize market prices for w8 tablets to a range that it believes will be successful.
uhh i doubt that will be a problem. This is not some mom & pop company, this is one of the biggest companies in the world. I think they will find somewhere to sell it.
Marty Chinn
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Well sure, but I was working on the assumption that the large base of x86 Windows users who have Metro should spark development for Metro apps that will appear in the marketplace. There's always a possibility that nobody will, but I don't think that's the case either. It hasn't stopped the Mac App Store from working.
Dreams-Visions
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again, in this thread people seem to have completely forgotten that there will be a plethora of Windows 8 tablets to choose from...and undoubtedly they will have some options with thunderbolt. just not this particular one.
speaking of which, how is the Mac App store doing? I never use it.
Da1nonly J
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Isn't that what your MiFi is for?
Betta Lines
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A full OS that I can get on a laptop, on a device that isn't gonna have the battery life of a typical touch device?
For me, the stylus is the only thing that could make up for the compromises here. (Price, weight, thickness, battery life, fan noise (?))
But the concept is great. Eventually there will be tablets that run a full OS, thinner and lighter than the current iPad, with Wacom digitizers... that will be a good day.
DataStream
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Being able to sell something doesn't mean it will sell. HP thought it could force the Touchpad down peoples throats and that was a disaster.
Looking back it now seems that the Kindle Fire craze was more to do with people wanting to gift tablets but not pay iPad prices. The sales drop off out of the holiday season is insane. Given how every Andorid tablet has performed, I don't really expect the Nexus to do differently (and I say that as a very happy Galaxy Nexus owner).
If I was MSFT I would be doing everything in my ability to try and push up RTM so that you can launch the last week of August and hit back to school as I could see an aggressively priced Nexus do well in that window. I still do not believe that android tablets will have any type of meaningful staying power.
Kung Fu Jedi
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Not to mention the fact that it is revisionist history. The World hardly "pissed itself" when the iPad was announced. There were tons of people saying that Apple really messed up. There was a lot of crow eaten a few months later.
If you don't have to carry an extra device with you why would you? My iPad has 4G built in and works as a hotspot for my laptop, my friends devices, etc.
Sure, but it won't have Verizon employees pushing it, and they don't have their own store like the other two. It sits on a table in Best Buy and waits for people to come to it?
It's a pretty minor point, but if it's already shipping and doesn't have the kind of push the likes of MS, Amazon, even Samsung had parts of the market start to fall away.
We'll see, with the right advertising a lot of people will want to check this out before deciding on the other tablets that are always being pushed down consumers throats. If the price is right for people I wouldn't be surprised if they chose the Surface over everything else that is out there.
Technosteve
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watching the conference, from what they are saying about vapormag processing surface is not going to be cheap.
Can you honestly claim to find a single rational person that believes Microsoft "stole" the tablet concept from Apple? It's rallying the MS fanboys against some dumb cariacature of Apple fanboys that doesn't actually exist.
Not to mention there's the implication that the awful Windows XP tablets crashed and burned because Bill Gates and Microsoft just weren't cool and hip enough like Apple.....when the reality is those products were prohibitively expensive and poorly designed for mass adoption.
Technosteve
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I have to say, Microsoft beat Apple to amorphous metal injection moulding for a consumer product. I wonder how much money they had to invest in to get the technology to do that. Now i really want to see this case.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/06/19/microsoft-surfaces-liquid-metal-is-not-the-same-as-apples-liquidmetal/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/06/19/microsoft-surfaces-liquid-metal-is-not-the-same-as-apples-liquidmetal/
brotkasten
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Has this been posted yet:
You can see that Ballmer is the only one in that picture who's holding the tablet wrong. When will someone finally replace this monkey?
Iced_Eagle
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This is so not true. The registry hate is just so overblown at this point that it doesn't match reality. More often than not using registry cleaners will fuck up your system and not fix anything. I honestly couldn't even tell you the last time myself or someone I know has had an issue which has the root cause being the registry (unless you run a registry cleaner which can accidently delete regkeys that are actually needed, but in that case you're just creating the "registry problem" yourself).
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