Maldonado...I knew he would have ended up crashing into Lewis or Vettel, mind I thought it would have been on the first lap. The guy is too emotional with his driving. Anyway I guess it was an interesting GP that again masks the real situation. Red-Bull are back make no mistakes. Ferrari really didn't look that impressive to me but hey Alonso did what his closest rivals failed to and therefore leads the championship so good job. Mclaren I think has already lost the WCC, if you can't make the jump on Redbull in races like these with Jenson still having issues then good luck. They keep saying 'it's a long championship and anything can happen' but they have been saying that a good few season now and Redbull always beat them on strategy in the end. As for Lotus they are looking good, imo they look better placed than Ferrari as a package. Anyway I really dunno what to make of it all overall though I really am bored of the tyre wars now, it's really just 'save your tyres' this year.
The Formula 1 2012 Season |OT| The Year of the...uh...Platypus?
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he was going so well. Would love to have seen him pull something off. Maybe Silverstone.It was like they were riding together. Hey guys, hold on a sec, were passing, oh, have a good day...
Myoclonic Jerk
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Omiee - sorry buddy,I know exactly how it feels, kimi's fans have gone through the same exact thing so many times. Have a drink and just live with it, it's just not his day... Brilliant drive from him nevertheless
Webber fans - chinman is fucking amazing, seriously, he is. Horner can try and sabotage him as much as he could but come next year when he drives the red car he'll show you all what he, the almost 2010 WDC, is capable of.
Alonso, what can't say about you eyebrows? I fucking hate you but you're slowly becoming one of my favorite drivers ever. I hated Schumi to death back in the days, but he never impressed me as eyebrows. Very ll deserved win, very much so. And in his home race. Good for him.. Truly deserved win for a deserving double WDC
Grosjean? Not your day frenchie. Just not your day
Kimi? Omg what can i say? I'm over the clouds in patong beach now.... Drinking my ass off in celebration
Maldo-fucking-nado WTF? Seriously WTF??! PDVSA I hate you so much for letting this asshole, yes asshole, drive in F1 ... Lewis didn't
T deserve this after struggling with a slower car. He did a fantastic job in keeping the ar up where it doesn't deserve, then come this stupid fucking asshole and ruines his race in the last frikin lap!!!! All I can say is, Rubens, you're missed
That said, this is a perfect podium. 2006 all over again. And a full Ferrari podium lol
Luca must be estatic lol
Cheers
Webber fans - chinman is fucking amazing, seriously, he is. Horner can try and sabotage him as much as he could but come next year when he drives the red car he'll show you all what he, the almost 2010 WDC, is capable of.
Alonso, what can't say about you eyebrows? I fucking hate you but you're slowly becoming one of my favorite drivers ever. I hated Schumi to death back in the days, but he never impressed me as eyebrows. Very ll deserved win, very much so. And in his home race. Good for him.. Truly deserved win for a deserving double WDC
Grosjean? Not your day frenchie. Just not your day
Kimi? Omg what can i say? I'm over the clouds in patong beach now.... Drinking my ass off in celebration
Maldo-fucking-nado WTF? Seriously WTF??! PDVSA I hate you so much for letting this asshole, yes asshole, drive in F1 ... Lewis didn't
T deserve this after struggling with a slower car. He did a fantastic job in keeping the ar up where it doesn't deserve, then come this stupid fucking asshole and ruines his race in the last frikin lap!!!! All I can say is, Rubens, you're missed
That said, this is a perfect podium. 2006 all over again. And a full Ferrari podium lol
Luca must be estatic lol
Cheers
Mohonky
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Not sure if serious........or trolling.
RomanticHeroX
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Ferrari must realize by now that if they keep Massa they're forfeiting the Constructor's Championship. They'd be at the top of the board right now with even a moderately competent driver in that car.
The Super Bob
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Just a little update while we are waiting for the decision regarding Michael.
Maldonada's penalty was specifically for ""failing to rejoin the track in a safe manner". The regulations require that if "Should a car leave the track the driver may rejoin, however, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any advantage." (Sporting Regulations, Article 20.2)
EDIT: No further action for Michael Schumacher.
Top 10 with grid penalties etc. is now: Alonso, Raikkonen, Schumacher, Webber, Hulkenberg, Rosberg, Di Resta, Button, Perez and Senna.
Andrew Benson reckons the drivers all believed that you were not permitted to use DRS during waved yellows, hence why Webber complained.
Maldonada's penalty was specifically for ""failing to rejoin the track in a safe manner". The regulations require that if "Should a car leave the track the driver may rejoin, however, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any advantage." (Sporting Regulations, Article 20.2)
EDIT: No further action for Michael Schumacher.
Top 10 with grid penalties etc. is now: Alonso, Raikkonen, Schumacher, Webber, Hulkenberg, Rosberg, Di Resta, Button, Perez and Senna.
Andrew Benson reckons the drivers all believed that you were not permitted to use DRS during waved yellows, hence why Webber complained.
I doubt he will I think they said on the BBC that he was infact slower than his previous lap even with the drs open or something like that. Though I don't get why he was even allowed to have drs open I didn't see anyone ahead of him.
Diablohead
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Ah I see that GAF is back.
FFFFUUUUUUU HAMILTON with slipping rear tyres like that and a huge straight speed disadvantage just drop to 3rd you feck, it seems with hamilton that his risks he is known for do not pay out enough of the time, 15 points > 0 for 3rd especially when vettel is out, anything to gain your lead over him is GOOD!
fucking shit I was in rage earlier today because of that.
Rant over.
FFFFUUUUUUU HAMILTON with slipping rear tyres like that and a huge straight speed disadvantage just drop to 3rd you feck, it seems with hamilton that his risks he is known for do not pay out enough of the time, 15 points > 0 for 3rd especially when vettel is out, anything to gain your lead over him is GOOD!
fucking shit I was in rage earlier today because of that.
Rant over.
Yup, and crashing into someone on the way back would not be considered a safe way to rejoin.
But! Hamilton didn't even need to block him, he could have gone wide and Maldonado wouldn't be able to pass anyway without getting a penalty. You can't pass from off the track, Hamilton should know that, but got caught up being very defensive. So, car meets car, one disregarding safety concerns, the other forgetting that he didn't need to defend as the rules had that turn covered for him. So, yeah, Maldonado is most at fault, but we got to see the calm new facade Hamilton has been keeping this season can crack. Went Hamilton's tires went, so did his calmness. That's, to me, the interesting thing here.
And yay for Schumacher! Good to see him finally back on the podium. Yeah, he got lucky with Hamilton and Maldonado taking each other out, but still, he ran well and finished the race. Luck or no luck, he got 3rd.
Too bad for Vettel, it's rare to see a Red Bull retire due to mechanical failure. Did the new changes cause trouble for the car? It's amazingly quick, but did that come at a cost in reliability?
It's a narrow track and all Maldonado had to do was wait like Kimi did and he probably would have had a better opportunity. Kimi made it stick in that spot against Lewis but he was alongside and not off the track. I think Maldonado got carried away with the prospect of a podium and was too frantic and Lewis was struggling to just keep the car on the track, in my opinion it makes more sense for the driver with better traction to just wait for a better opportunity, he should have waited for the straight.
...Who wouldn't be annoyed by falling with just 1 lap to go? especially knowing that Alonso is in P1 and Vettel was out, plus they were urging him to push on the radio
Well yeah, it is never a good idea to return on the track in the middle of the apex...
That's called racing.
I wonder if Frank will change his driver line up because as much as I want to like Maldonado and Senna they just don't do the job quite like they should each for differing reasons. I still think Maldonado can do it, he just needs to calm down. Also really impressed with Grojean he is a threat and he seems to have got his measure now.
Did no one else watch training when Rosberg hit the same kerb that Maldonado was forced out on? It was like his car was on rails when he ran over it; all he could do was continue forward until he was off, when he finally could turn again. I reckon the same happened with Maldonado.
I think it's a racing incident, at best. Maldonado clearly was on the side of Hamilton, and then the rules, revised this year, say you have to leave room for the other driver. For whatever reason, there wasn't room. Which lead to Maldonado being on rails, and it being the end for them both.
Anyway. Really emotional for me, with Schumacher doing so fantastically well. Not only making it to the podium, but doing it in a weekend that seemed so tough to do well in, and half way through the points, I would've been surprised with any points at all.
I think it's a racing incident, at best. Maldonado clearly was on the side of Hamilton, and then the rules, revised this year, say you have to leave room for the other driver. For whatever reason, there wasn't room. Which lead to Maldonado being on rails, and it being the end for them both.
Anyway. Really emotional for me, with Schumacher doing so fantastically well. Not only making it to the podium, but doing it in a weekend that seemed so tough to do well in, and half way through the points, I would've been surprised with any points at all.
brotkasten
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Vettel and Grosjean had both the same problem, so it's related to their Renault parts.
ALONSO YES!! Loved the end with the flag and then him celebrating with the fans.
This was one amazing race, really unusual for Valencia. I wasn't paying that much attention to the race though because I was packing (moving tomorrow), but I'm definitely going to watch it again on bbc i player. Really happy for Michael Schumacher
loldonado was stupid though.
This was one amazing race, really unusual for Valencia. I wasn't paying that much attention to the race though because I was packing (moving tomorrow), but I'm definitely going to watch it again on bbc i player. Really happy for Michael Schumacher
loldonado was stupid though.
Wasn't Alonso in the same situation at Canada where he lost the grip on his tyres and dropped from 1st to 5th in the last laps? And Hamilton was also P1 so it's the same exact type of situation. The difference is that one driver thought about the championship and got 10 points and the other didn't.
SunhiLegend
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That was incredibly stupid. I was surprised at safety car wasn't called out.
The Super Bob
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Anyway away from penalties and stuff I thought it was a very interesting race. I've always thought Alonso was a brilliant driver but this year I think he is really showing his class, with a Ferarri which is still somewhat off the pace and not as good as it's competitors.
Vettel would have most likely have this race in the bag if it were not for his car's failure. Felt particularly bad for Grosjean, but he showed maturity with how he handled his car's failure. It was nice to see Michael get a podium, especially with the bad luck he has had this year.
I can somewhat understand people who are saying that Hamilton should have just let Maldonado pass as his tyres had gone. But there were only a couple of laps left and with the championship so tight all points may end up being vital so I can't really blame him for fighting for position.
Maldonado has now shown several times that he can be reckless, he seems to make some rash decisions and get himself and others into problems. Todays incident could have been easily avoided.
And yeah, I gasped a bit when I saw those Marshals pushing the car. On such a narrow track seemed dangerous.
Vettel would have most likely have this race in the bag if it were not for his car's failure. Felt particularly bad for Grosjean, but he showed maturity with how he handled his car's failure. It was nice to see Michael get a podium, especially with the bad luck he has had this year.
I can somewhat understand people who are saying that Hamilton should have just let Maldonado pass as his tyres had gone. But there were only a couple of laps left and with the championship so tight all points may end up being vital so I can't really blame him for fighting for position.
Maldonado has now shown several times that he can be reckless, he seems to make some rash decisions and get himself and others into problems. Todays incident could have been easily avoided.
And yeah, I gasped a bit when I saw those Marshals pushing the car. On such a narrow track seemed dangerous.
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Sucks for Vettel. Easily the fastest driver on the grid if not hampered by tire compromises.
Great for Schumi!
Great for Schumi!
The Renault engine has an overheating issue, I wonder? Today's race was pretty hot, wasn't it? A lot of the cars had minor issues with tire and brake temperature. At least it's what the Danish commentators said. Some drivers changing braking balance to cool off brakes and tires, and such. So if the alternator in the Renault engine overheats quicker than other engines... it's a problem.
Hmm, silly idea: Does it come down to livery? The Red Bull is a dark blue and the Lotus is black. Both colors absorb heat more than a white or even silver color would. It's nitpicky and probably not that much of a difference, but this is Formula One. Nitpicks and tiny differences is what separates a good car from a great one.
Coldnoodle
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SCHUMI
That was crazy
I can't believe they allowed that to happen. No cranes? What the hell.
Vettel hating the world for his DNF:
http://www.f1zone.net/news/vettel-criticises-safety-car-call-after-failure/14651/
His comments must be amusing if he is going to end up in a shit car in his career.
http://www.f1zone.net/news/vettel-criticises-safety-car-call-after-failure/14651/
His comments must be amusing if he is going to end up in a shit car in his career.
Gareth Bale
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Maldonado is an idiot and the most reckless driver on the grid by a distance. He never takes responsibility for this shit either. I don't know how you can go off the track and then drive into the side of another car and claim it was their fault. I don't know what Verne was doing either. Brundle seemed to think he did it on purpose. But if not that was some terrible driving.
As for Alonso, he drove well today but I don't think it was as great as they were saying. He was a bit lucky considering there were three cars faster than him, two of which didn't finish, McLaren screwed up another stop, the safety car, etc... I was really hoping Grosjean would win. He's a nice guy, pulled a great move on Lewis to get 2nd and was desperately unlucky today.
As for Alonso, he drove well today but I don't think it was as great as they were saying. He was a bit lucky considering there were three cars faster than him, two of which didn't finish, McLaren screwed up another stop, the safety car, etc... I was really hoping Grosjean would win. He's a nice guy, pulled a great move on Lewis to get 2nd and was desperately unlucky today.
He had a good chance of ending third without the safety car and Grosjean and Vettel failing.
The Super Bob
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As far as I am aware Lotus said the failure was definitely to do with heat. As it was the same component that failed in the Reb Bull it would make sense if it was also heat related.
If that's the case then Vettel's comments that the safety car may have contributed directly to the failure may hold some weight in that the cooling produced by the car would have been reduced from travelling at slower speeds. Combined with the heat of the track this was probably to blame for the overheating problem.
RomanticHeroX
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That was crazy
The Spanish marshals are ridiculously bad. The best part is the green flag waving right above them.
Betta Lines
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I'd like to know the answer to this too. I've definitely noticed that darker road cars get warmer in direct sunlight.
Myoclonic Jerk
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That was crazy
I sometimes think we are too zealous for safety cars being deployed...
Not here. That was ridiculous.
Edmond Dantès
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That was crazy
Could have been another Tom Pryce/Frederik Jansen Van Vuuren tragedy.
Don't look it up it, lest you want to see a teenage marshalls body disintegrate in front of your eyes and see body parts scattered everywhere.
The Super Bob
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I'd guess it's just a problem with the Renault components, the heat of the track and the safety car period rather than the livery.
Edmond Dantès;39198519 said:
Yeah, it was pretty senseless. One error from any of those drivers could have resulted in serious problems.
And yeah guys, you don't want to see the footage of that incident.
Lost his form struggeling with pace and grip. Mclaren is a fast car so its all him.
Gareth Bale
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Maybe. I think Hamilton and also Raikkonen would have made it hard for him though. And I'd like to think McLaren wouldn't have fucked up that stop if they hadn't rushed to pit him during the safety car (although they probably would have found another opportunity to do so!). But he would have stopped later and his tires wouldn't have fallen off the cliff towards the end.
Jesus Christ... how do you watch so many races and still not understand the basics?
The leave room rule is after defending off the line. Hamilton pulled a basic defensive maneuver you see multiple times in every race. Check how Raikkonen does it on Hamilton in this video.
Raikkonen vs Hamilton Spa 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzgb0SVfiIc&feature=player_detailpage#t=7s
Maldonado fucked that one up by trying to fight back over the curves, loosing control and going sideways into Hamilton. The defensive maneuvers by Hamilton were perfectly fine - the choice to fight for position at when his tires went off ended up being a bad choice.
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