Wada: No Final Fantasy VII Remake Until Original Has Been Topped

I dont think he's saying FF7 is the best FF, but that right now, the FF's they are releasing aren't as good as 7. So he's saying FF7 > FF13, 13-2, 14. When the newer FF's are as good (or better) than 7, then he'll remake it. I agree with him.
 
I'm surprised there are people that actually want it in this day and age. I'd rather have HD FFX/FF12J more, sure, but that's kind of minor compared to something like getting FF15 within our lifetime.
 
seems kinda like they don't have many expectations for Final Fantasy... it's like he's admitting that they don't have any creativity anymore
 
FF12 trampled pretty much any SP FF in terms of content and gameplay. 7 is nostalgia overload but has been topped.

This remake should have happened on the PS2. The fact that they can't see that people want it is a travesty.
 
neptunes said:
That would only please fans of the game, New games would laugh at how dated FF7 is.
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If getting a "newer" FFVII means its going to be like XIII, I dont want any part of it.

Don't get me wrong, I recently replayed FFVII and its incredibly dated. I think most of the core game holds up well though. Most of its problems relate to presentation. The question is how do you nail a visual style that looks awesome and modern, but still feels like FFVII?
 
What a statement to make. One of the best I've heard all year.

Basically admitting that FF doesn't quite have it anymore.
 
jorgeton said:
I dont think he's saying FF7 is the best FF, but that right now, the FF's they are releasing aren't as good as 7. So he's saying FF7 > FF13, 13-2, 14. When the newer FF's are as good (or better) than 7, then he'll remake it. I agree with him.
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I don't think they've topped it since IX. Maybe with the exception of XI, but that hardly counts I'd think. I think you're right about where he was coming from though.
 
ULTROS! said:
I'd say the entire portion of Midgar and the Gold Saucer were the best parts of FFVII. The others were kinda meh. Even the last stage was boring and meh (fortunately the final boss was pretty cool).
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Everything that had to do with Midgar were my favourite parts of that game (so the beginning and the end of disc 2). It was such an interesting place. It was mindblowing stepping foot on the world map for the first time, though. I don't think I'd ever experienced anything like that before. It was probably because it was one of my first 3D/polygonal RPGs. But the rest of the locations didn't stand out over Midgar.

And messing around with materia and working out different combos yourself was fun. I don't really use materia much outside of yellow + blue materia now, though (like, if you need magic, you can just equip the blue magic materia on everyone and you can use that for the entire game). I never used summons because I didn't like how long their animations were. They looked nice but I just don't like timewasters.
 
udivision said:
Exactly. That's just weird...
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I think it is simple.

FF7 has a lot of things that FF13 does not have. An open field, towns, side quests (opinion decent characters and story...)

If they released an updated FF7HD it would make FF13 look pretty shit. Worse, it would probably make FF15 look pretty shit as well, because it couldn't match up to what they used to produce. So until they can make a game in HD with all the great stuff of 7, 8, 9 I can understand why they would be hesitant. FF13-2 was a good game, but it is still well short of how epic the old games were.
 
I think the main point of this quote is that he isn't satisfied with their current output level, not that they have never made a game as good as or better than FF7. I actually think it's great that he acknowledged that, and hopefully we'll see positive results of that mindset soon.
 
jorgeton said:
I dont think he's saying FF7 is the best FF, but that right now, the FF's they are releasing aren't as good as 7. So he's saying FF7 > FF13, 13-2, 14. When the newer FF's are as good (or better) than 7, then he'll remake it. I agree with him.
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That's how I took it as well.

He isn't saying 7 is the best but that the recent games aren't up to that same quality and releasing a remake would bury their franchise because their new iterations can't live up to it.

I don't necessarily agree with wada's logic - I think it might rejuvenate interest actually.
 
Years later, and I'm still fairly amazed that they've succeeded in making so many games that were actually worse than 7.
 
I am actually really glad that he said this. With all the talk about how out-of-touch SE is, this actually bodes well. I don't think they've been able to produce a 'real' single-player Final Fantasy game since the PS2 was released. I think a lot of people feel this way. It's just not the same when everything is linear and you can't do stuff like fly around the world in an airship.
 
Fancy Corndog said:
I am actually really glad that he said this. With all the talk about how out-of-touch SE is, this actually bodes well I think. I don't think they've been able to produce a 'real' single-player Final Fantasy game since the PS2 was released. I think a lot of people feel this way. It's just not the same when everything is linear and you can't do stuff like fly around the world in an airship.
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Yep it bodes well.

Now actually achieving it with the higher costs these days and perhaps less 'talent' may be a different thing. But if they at least know what they need to do they might get there again one day.
 
toddhunter said:
Yep it bodes well.

Now actually achieving it with the higher costs these days and perhaps less 'talent' may be a different thing. But if they at least know what they need to do they might get there again one day.
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I used to just accept that they couldn't do it, but then I saw some gameplay of Ni no Kuni. I don't care how they do it, but it just doesn't feel like Final Fantasy without the sense that the world is actually there for you to explore.
 
Fancy Corndog said:
I am actually really glad that he said this. With all the talk about how out-of-touch SE is, this actually bodes well. I don't think they've been able to produce a 'real' single-player Final Fantasy game since the PS2 was released. I think a lot of people feel this way. It's just not the same when everything is linear and you can't do stuff like fly around the world in an airship.
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I'd actually be completely fine if SE stopped chasing bleeding edge graphics in favor of making sure the gameplay and proper world building is attained. And I consider myself a fairly big graphics whore.

I can already see them taking five years to get out the first final fantasy next gen because they want to match that tech demo they just released.
 
B.K. said:
Also, I-VI.
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Much as I love FF1, I really don't think the NES FFs hold a candle to any of their successors. XIII not withstanding.

GregLombardi said:
I'm curious to know: How old are those who think FF7 has been topped since its creation, versus those who do not?
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I'm 23 and I think FF8 topped FF7. FF8 is the easiest FF of all, but I still think it topped 7. Even if it didn't, there's no way 9 failed to meet that criteria.

Now, much as I love to jump down Wada's throat, I can't help but give him the benefit of the doubt and wonder if he didn't mean "we" as in the current team, as in, "with all respect to the old guard, until we--the current team--make a game that tops 7's quality, we have no business touching it."

EDIT: I also fully expect this enter quote of Wada's to lead the fools over on GameFAQs to new levels of insanity. Maybe it will at least shut up the Toriyama club o'er there.
 
I too am glad they realize FFXIII, FFXIII-2, and FFXIV are not on the same level as FF7. I hope the reason versus is taking so long is because they KNOW it has to be better than what they've been doing.
 
Jonm1010 said:
I'd actually be completely fine if SE stopped chasing bleeding edge graphics in favor of making sure the gameplay and proper world building is attained. And I consider myself a fairly big graphics whore.

I can already see them taking five years to get out the first final fantasy next gen because they want to match that tech demo they just released.
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On the plus side, didn't they say with the new engine they can get stuff done in minutes that required days with Crystal Tools? Or am I misquoting something here?
 
I like how people are coming out of the woodwork saying VII was the worst FF just to look cool.

It's not the best, but to say every other FF is better is just stupid.
 
Ghost_Protocol said:
I too am glad they realize FFXIII, FFXIII-2, and FFXIV are not on the same level as FF7. I hope the reason versus is taking so long is because they KNOW it has to be better than what they've been doing.
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Hopefully... they did put a large majority of the FFVII team on it after all.
 
CorvoSol said:
Now, much as I love to jump down Wada's throat, I can't help but give him the benefit of the doubt and wonder if he didn't mean "we" as in the current team, as in, "with all respect to the old guard, until we--the current team--make a game that tops 7's quality, we have no business touching it.".
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Pretty sure that's exactly what he means. That, right now, they aren't making great Final Fantasy games.
Wada admitted that at present, the company is not making Final Fantasy games that exceed the quality of FFVII. If they were to release a 7 remake right now, the FF franchise would be done with, he said.
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Jonm1010 said:
I'd actually be completely fine if SE stopped chasing bleeding edge graphics in favor of making sure the gameplay and proper world building is attained. And I consider myself a fairly big graphics whore.

I can already see them taking five years to get out the first final fantasy next gen because they want to match that tech demo they just released.
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I completely agree, on all counts unfortunately. Get ready for Agni's Hallways.
 
cosmicblizzard said:
On the plus side, didn't they say with the new engine they can get stuff done in minutes that required days with Crystal Tools? Or am I misquoting something here?
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Perhaps, I don't know anything of the engine beyond seeing the video and being in awe.

If that's true maybe there is hope on the horizon for final fantasy returning to its former glory....... Maybe HD towns will finally be possible.
 
kunonabi said:
I meant Emerald and Ruby Weapons the two optional bosses.

I waltzed right through the rest of the game just spamming limit breaks and not really bothering with materia.
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VII certaintly wasn't the hardest game and it did allow for the user to get away with brute force tactics, but experimenting with materia was incredibly rewarding. It's akin to games like God of War and Devil May Cry where you can get away with button mashing if you want on regular enemies, but learning the system allows for faster and an overall more fun experience.
 
Cisce said:
They did, it was called IX.
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High five. VII doesn't hold up anywhere near as well as IX in my opinion.

Anyway I think they'll make a VII remake when they finally stop being able to cash cheques by selling VII. VII still sells like gang busters on PSN, why not continue to milk it? If SE ever came into real hardship, that's when they'll call on the VII remake. It's their ace in the hole.
 
TheYanger said:
Are there really people that aren't blinded by first FF nostalgia that DON'T like 9 better than 7? 7 felt like trash at the time, and only looks good because of what garbage Square has put out since (aside from a few gems of course).

And to answer, I'm 29.
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I'm surprised so many people like IX honestly. I disliked the slow battle system, the super deformed characters, and Kuja. I haven't completely finished it yet is the only reason I'm not completely ragging on it like I want to. Swear I do not remember this much love for IX when it first came out or even years later. I had more fun playing X-2 than IX. I would never put IX above IV, VI, VII, VIII, X, X-2, or XIII.
 
When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east. When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then FFVII will be remade, and not before.
 
That's kind of a strange statement. I suppose he thinks that if there's a remake of FF7 fans would just stop liking Final Fantasy? I also don't think hesitating to release this remake is even a bright idea to begin with for his reasoning.

There's one thing to try to be better than the past, and there's another to ignore the past. I hope he reconsiders and the FF7 remake is on the next-gen systems and PC.

Pai Pai Master said:
I don't want a VII remake anyways. No one should. Game would lose everything charming about it.
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I think this kind of thinking isn't right. There are many ways to make it have all the charm of the original, just with more beefier graphics. It's not impossible at all.
 
Valnen said:
I like how people are coming out of the woodwork saying VII was the worst FF just to look cool.

It's not the best, but to say every other FF is better is just stupid.
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I said it was the worst when it came out. Didn't hold that title for very long since FFVIII exists. I consider it more of a missed opportunity than anything else. The game is a masterpiece compared to FFXIII.
 
Kettch said:
When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east. When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then FFVII will be remade, and not before.
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Q4 2012 confirmed?
 
kunonabi said:
I said it was the worst when it came out. Didn't hold that title for very long since FFVIII exists. I consider it more of a missed opportunity than anything else. The game is a masterpiece compared to FFXIII.
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I think it was flat out better than 1-6. 1-6 are too short and don't really have anything in the way of bonus content. It's better than 8, 12, and 13 too.
 
Honestly, FF1 is my favorite, but I consider FF7 the best in the series. Everything about it I consider perfect for it's time.
 
GregLombardi said:
I'm curious to know: How old are those who think FF7 has been topped since its creation, versus those who do not?
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25, 6 shits all over it, 9 shits all over it, 4 shits all over it.

The only thing 7 had going for it was introducing kids to a character with huge boobs in cg that bounced around all derpy and the materia system. Story is jumbled garbage, pacing is wack, well I guess the music is decent as well.
 
jorgeton said:
I dont think he's saying FF7 is the best FF, but that right now, the FF's they are releasing aren't as good as 7. So he's saying FF7 > FF13, 13-2, 14. When the newer FF's are as good (or better) than 7, then he'll remake it. I agree with him.
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took four pages, I was about to go off.
thank you kind man.

Honestly I just wish they would leave ff7 alone. Even if they did make a recent or future Final Fantasy that was better than ff7. Just let it be, its a fucking masterpiece.

edit for Greg- Im 22
 
QisTopTier said:
25, 6 shits all over it, 9 shits all over it, 4 shits all over it.

The only thing 7 had going for it was introducing kids to a character with huge boobs in cg that bounced around all derpy and the materia system. Story is jumbled garbage, pacing is wack, well I guess the music is decent as well.
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6 is short as hell. You're lucky if you get 40-50 hours out of it, tops.
 
GregLombardi said:
I'm curious to know: How old are those who think FF7 has been topped since its creation, versus those who do not?
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23

FFIX is my favorite in the series and one of my favorite games of all time. Not factoring MMOs, I don't think FFVII has been topped other than that. I also think it's a fantastic game, and would never call it shit just because it's popular or whatever. I think it deserves all of its praise.
 
Valnen said:
I think it was flat out better than 1-6. 1-6 are too short and don't really have anything in the way of bonus content. It's better than 8, 12, and 13 too.
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5 has loads of hidden bosses and side quests. Not sure what you mean by bonus content.

FWIW, since my earlier post in the thread was glib, I found 7 modestly decent but disappointing. Mainly because the material system wiped out the fun of character building. Making everyone an interchangeable blank slate is not super fun. It has held up well over time though, primarily thanks to its horrifying monstrosity of a successor.

Edit - 30. 5 is my favorite, then 9, then some mix of 3, 4, and 6. Big gap between the first two and last three though.
 
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