So you hate everything?
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So you hate everything?
First Iron Man was Awesome.
Spiderman 1 and 2 are pretty good.
Loved the Second X-men
Batman 1&2 and the Nolan films are all quite good.
Good piece on superhero movies, only tangentially related to Spider-Man but still http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/01/m...-book-movie.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&ref=movies
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
I liked it, but it is definitely flawed. The film feels tonally all over the place between wanting to be realistic and then going into super camp mode.
The first third of the film is flat out mediocre. Everything that happens in the first act could have been done in half the time or less - especially because none of what happens is interesting in the slightest. There are a few nice/funny moments sprinkled about, but the opening act is going through the motions central. Luckily, the film dramatically improves after that.
Martin Sheen is an excellent Uncle Ben. Sally Field is a godawful Aunt May. In fact, those two are a good example of what I mean when I say the film constantly bounces between the no bullshit approach to this world and the cartoony. Aunt May is super cartoony, while Uncle Ben acts like a real uncle might if their nephew was acting like a selfish little cunt.
That brings me to what I may as well get out of the way - my biggest problem with the film. Spiderman is a cunt. The movie tries to get you to empathize with his situation of losing his parents and how depressed/aggravated he is, that it loses focus on the fact that we're suppose to respect him. I don't respect Peter in this movie, because he acts like a little twat and never becomes a man in the film. I know many will groan at me bringing up the Raimi films, but remember how Peter moved out of his Aunt's place and would struggle for jobs just to keep his head above water, whilst desperately trying to do the right thing by everybody else? It wasn't because Peter is a perfect saint - it's because at that point in his life, Peter is really learning what responsibility means. He's becoming a man. A SPIDER-MAN! I won't spoil why Garfield's Peter doesn't come across this way, but I'll just say that the 'With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility' is totally lost in this film. There is definitely a weight on Garfield's Parker in this film, but it isn't responsibility.
The action was really good most of the time. I liked that in quite a few scenes, the action never seemed staged. It was very matter of fact 'this is happening in front of me' and that Spider-Man moved like a motherfuckin' spider. Really great stuff.
Emma Stone was great and Gwen overall was really well done. I really liked her role in the story for the most part. She's easily the most likable character in the whole film.
Dr. Connors is yet another example of the mishmash that is this film. First act he's completely normal and awesome. Once he turns into the lizard he makes the Green Goblin seem subtle in terms of the dialogue he delivers. His character takes a completely ridiculous 180 and overall is just a horrible, horrible fucking villain outside of the physical monster film baddie that he's become.
The film has a lot of instances that feel like they've studied the first film and substituted scenes and characters for others in a super-lazy way.
In fact, at the start of the film I immediately thought they were riffing Batman Begins.
Garfield himself was very decent. There are a couple of good Spidy zingers, but there are just as many that fall flat.
And that's probably the best way to sum up the film. Webb absolutely nails the little moments and interactions, but there is never one fist-pumping moment in the whole thing. All the big moments fall flat and feel somewhat forced.
Horner's score was an unmemorable and bland to say the least. Completely phoned in.
This review being all over the place is a pretty good representation of the film.
Overall I enjoyed it. It's definitely worth seeing at the movies. It's leagues better than Raimi's awful Spider-Man 3, but doesn't come close to Raimi's first two films. I no longer feel cynical about Sony rebooting the film so early, yet at the same time wish that it hadn't been an origin story again as I feel a lot of what worked in this film was held back by clumsy handling of that baggage we've already seen unpacked.
7/10
The first third of the film is flat out mediocre. Everything that happens in the first act could have been done in half the time or less - especially because none of what happens is interesting in the slightest. There are a few nice/funny moments sprinkled about, but the opening act is going through the motions central. Luckily, the film dramatically improves after that.
Martin Sheen is an excellent Uncle Ben. Sally Field is a godawful Aunt May. In fact, those two are a good example of what I mean when I say the film constantly bounces between the no bullshit approach to this world and the cartoony. Aunt May is super cartoony, while Uncle Ben acts like a real uncle might if their nephew was acting like a selfish little cunt.
That brings me to what I may as well get out of the way - my biggest problem with the film. Spiderman is a cunt. The movie tries to get you to empathize with his situation of losing his parents and how depressed/aggravated he is, that it loses focus on the fact that we're suppose to respect him. I don't respect Peter in this movie, because he acts like a little twat and never becomes a man in the film. I know many will groan at me bringing up the Raimi films, but remember how Peter moved out of his Aunt's place and would struggle for jobs just to keep his head above water, whilst desperately trying to do the right thing by everybody else? It wasn't because Peter is a perfect saint - it's because at that point in his life, Peter is really learning what responsibility means. He's becoming a man. A SPIDER-MAN! I won't spoil why Garfield's Peter doesn't come across this way, but I'll just say that the 'With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility' is totally lost in this film. There is definitely a weight on Garfield's Parker in this film, but it isn't responsibility.
The action was really good most of the time. I liked that in quite a few scenes, the action never seemed staged. It was very matter of fact 'this is happening in front of me' and that Spider-Man moved like a motherfuckin' spider. Really great stuff.
Emma Stone was great and Gwen overall was really well done. I really liked her role in the story for the most part. She's easily the most likable character in the whole film.
Dr. Connors is yet another example of the mishmash that is this film. First act he's completely normal and awesome. Once he turns into the lizard he makes the Green Goblin seem subtle in terms of the dialogue he delivers. His character takes a completely ridiculous 180 and overall is just a horrible, horrible fucking villain outside of the physical monster film baddie that he's become.
The film has a lot of instances that feel like they've studied the first film and substituted scenes and characters for others in a super-lazy way.
Connors talking to himself like Willem Dafoe? C'mon Doc!
Garfield himself was very decent. There are a couple of good Spidy zingers, but there are just as many that fall flat.
And that's probably the best way to sum up the film. Webb absolutely nails the little moments and interactions, but there is never one fist-pumping moment in the whole thing. All the big moments fall flat and feel somewhat forced.
Horner's score was an unmemorable and bland to say the least. Completely phoned in.
This review being all over the place is a pretty good representation of the film.
Overall I enjoyed it. It's definitely worth seeing at the movies. It's leagues better than Raimi's awful Spider-Man 3, but doesn't come close to Raimi's first two films. I no longer feel cynical about Sony rebooting the film so early, yet at the same time wish that it hadn't been an origin story again as I feel a lot of what worked in this film was held back by clumsy handling of that baggage we've already seen unpacked.
7/10
AgentOtaku
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oh yeah, forgot about this
I think I literally heard my wife whisper "oh god..."
also,
*high-fives Sculli*
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Oh yeah. Those songs were like having Nickelback rock up in the middle of the movie.
AgentOtaku
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Dude, I completely forgot Phantom Planet existed lol
Saw them back in 2004 I believe
I thought this movie was about 1000% better at showing Spider-Man being Spider-Man and doing stuff Spider-Man does on a movie screen than any of the three old movies.
Garfield was also much better than Maguire in many ways (not all though).
Oh and totally (?) unrelated, but Emma Stone should get an oscar for those boots+socks+skirts she was rocking at all time.
Garfield was also much better than Maguire in many ways (not all though).
Oh and totally (?) unrelated, but Emma Stone should get an oscar for those boots+socks+skirts she was rocking at all time.
So I hated both Spiderman 1 and 2 and didn't even bother to watch the 3rd but I am actually interested in watching this one. Am I in for a major disappointment or is it like opposite of the other one so it wont be so bad? Im just wondering since most of the people that said it was just ok liked the spiderman 1 and 2
well, what did you hate about spider 1+2? if you are interested in the new film, then watch it.
A great opening for Spider-Man in Asia. But something in the Box Office Mojo article caught my eye.
http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3477&p=.htm
For reference that's a third less than The Avengers opening weekend in Germany and a million behind Men In Black 3's opening as well.
http://www.screendaily.com/box-offi...international-opening-weekend/5041089.article
http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3477&p=.htm
For reference that's a third less than The Avengers opening weekend in Germany and a million behind Men In Black 3's opening as well.
http://www.screendaily.com/box-offi...international-opening-weekend/5041089.article
Everything was just uninteresting for me. I really didn't like tobey or kirsten at all maybe it was because of them because I do remember liking doctor octopus because the actor was pretty good. Actually now that I recall i mostly hated all the romance between those two so i'll give this one a try. Spiderman never was one of my favorite characters so i was always biased against him to be honest im mostly interesting in this cause of emma stone :/
We finally hear from a gaffer who hated the movie and it isn't even Sculli. :lol
Reviews are quite all over the place in terms of impressions on the first and last acts of the film.. Some love the action (best in any SM yet) and others say it's flat and nothing special. Can't wait to see it myself.
Reviews are quite all over the place in terms of impressions on the first and last acts of the film.. Some love the action (best in any SM yet) and others say it's flat and nothing special. Can't wait to see it myself.
Zettai Ryouiki fans will be pleased.
well, emma is great in this. there is still a lot of romance, but its much better executed than in the raimi films (which means: not terrible). i say give it a try, i think you might like it more than the other films.
thanks sounds good ill probably watch it sometime this week
demosthenes
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Thanks for the write up. I anticipated something like this, hope to see it next Thurs/Fri.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
I can agree with a lot of your points except Spider-Man being a wanker, he's fucking awesome.
On the score, it was very forgettable, like I said last night, I would like Sony to get Hans Zimmer in for ASM2.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
It drives me insane when people do this. ffs. When the laymen doesn't notice the 3D it's probably being done right.
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
Kind of surprised at the comments regarding the score. The few tracks that I listened to on youtube sounded really good. I imagine they were incoherently sliced up for the movie though given the negativity.
So I ordered 5 tickets for the premiere sometime ago, now half of them can't come, and the worst thing is, that I had to ask them about it and that they don't come and notify me by themselves. Incompetent. Blah, the trailers might have turned them off haha.
I'm excited though.
I'm excited though.
If the 3D is so subtle that no one notices it, why even bother putting it in there and jacking ticket prices so high?
I disagree with this. I don't want a return to the eighties, "Hey, look at this crap sticking out the screen!" style and I'm not adverse to subtlety, but the times I've been most impressed by 3D - Hugo, Kung Fu Panda 2, Tintin - it's been very noticeable.
Joel Was Right
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Any particular reason why its so popular in Asia?
Good Job Bob
Member
Spider-Man is huge in Asia.
wrong. its the first time i did this and i watched plenty of 3d films. but here, it was just better (at least in some scenes) to watch it without the glasses, since the film was way too dark (for me) and the colors looked better/more vibrant.
the avengers was the exact opposite. the 3d is not bad, its just way to subtle in some scenes.
Those are hardly the proper movies to be comparing 3D to. And what I meant was it being subtle, not unnoticeable.
Most people get accustomed to the 3D so fast that they feel they're getting nothing out of it even if they are. Good 3D isn't necessarily in-your-face noticeable for the laymen.
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
I read somewhere that Sony extensively marketed the movie in Asia and that the original trilogy sparked off the global cinema going experience to universal blockbusters, so Spider-Man is quite a beloved character in foreign markets.
I also imagine some of the problems being expressed in America/European countries about it being too soon to reboot the franchise aren't so intensely grieved and stressed upon in countries where American pop culture isn't the end-all be-all of a person's day.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
In thinking about the film, it felt like there was no emotional momentum to it. By that I mean anything driving us toward a big action scene that would have us invest in it emotionally. There was no dropping of the glasses moment or 'Can Spider-Man come out to play?' Goblin voicemails in this thing.
Listened to some tracks myself and I think Elfman's score is much better. His score really grew on me over the years
brandonh83
Banned
I've been listening to the score almost non-stop since it leaked and I think it's great. Maybe it's not utilized very well in the film? I like the main theme a lot better than Elfman's and I just typically like Horner's style even when he hacks himself which is quite frequently, but many composers hack themselves, like John Williams.
The main theme,
are all great tracks to me. Going by some of the complaints its possible that either it's not used very well or I'm just not going to be agreeing with the negativity period.
The main theme,
The Ganali Device, Saving New York, The Bridge, etc.
Just tell me there's no awful faux-English accented news reporter this time?
AgentOtaku
Member
Same with me
Sculli, is there any action during the day?
Spidey's always looked better during the day, just as Batman feels more at home at night.
Also, the score sounds like a low-rent version of Elfman. Expected way more from Horner. His main themes are typically very recognizable, but I can't even make one out here.
Spidey's always looked better during the day, just as Batman feels more at home at night.
Also, the score sounds like a low-rent version of Elfman. Expected way more from Horner. His main themes are typically very recognizable, but I can't even make one out here.
brandonh83
Banned
There's a very recognizable and memorable main theme here. It's literally all over the soundtrack. It's very notable in the last track, 3:21 into it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDXv5EMFHcQ
IMO it's not only a good theme but the best superhero theme I've heard in a long while.
I gotta say, Sculli really put the damper on my hype for this film, and confirmed what I was afraid of: that Webb would ultimately be able to handle the intimate moments between the characters but ultimately fall short of providing any big climactic moments. Unless of course I'm not reading Sculli's review correctly.
It's a Spider-Man movie.
It's a well-made Spider-Man movie.
Do you like Spider-Man? Yes? Then you can watch this movie and there is a very very very big chance of you not wanting your money back.
Do you NOT like Spider-Man? Then this is not a "must watch" and you can maybe rent it some day or watch it on TV.
It's a well-made Spider-Man movie.
Do you like Spider-Man? Yes? Then you can watch this movie and there is a very very very big chance of you not wanting your money back.
Do you NOT like Spider-Man? Then this is not a "must watch" and you can maybe rent it some day or watch it on TV.
I'm off the rest of the week after today. I think I may see it tomorrow evening. I am kind of excited myself but I am not expecting much.
Do you like, Spider-Man? If so you'll like this movie, man!
WATCH OUT! HERE COMES THE SPIDER-MAN!
Me TOO! But, I PAYED WAY TOO MUCH! Oh well : |
-Pyromaniac-
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this is exactly what I expected the movie to be like, despite people trying to convince themselves so hard that it would shit on Raimie's movies. I think people underestimate how well he did on those first 2. But despite it all I'm sure people will still find it enjoyable.
I CAN'T CONTAIN MY WEBS!
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