José Mourinho
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I've just read such complaints as, where did some guy find a clean blanket in a sewer? Who cares. Some kid makes web shooters, fine. Sewer blanket, bah!
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SilentProtagonist
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Well the writers built up a plot and attempted to make us feel something for these characters as if they were believable and real, so I think it's fair to judge how some of elements of the film were handled.
No one is arguing the realism of Spider Men and Lizard People, those are clearly fictional. Everything ELSE in the world is supposed to be somewhat believable right? This isn't Scott Pilgrim.
MidnightCowboy
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3 gets too much hate. It's not as good as the others, but it's still better than Iron Man 2, Captain America, The Avengers, X-Men 1, and maybe Iron Man 1.
It's never about how fantastical something is. It's always about how consistent a movie is with the own rules of the world it created.
For Spider-Man, we are conditioned to understand that there are usually only a few superheroes and a few villains; everyone else lives in a fairly standard world, and are treated as such. Breaking those types of rules make suspending disbelief near impossible.
To use the easy example: Nobody is obviously hating the movie 'cause of the blanket shit. But, Amazing Spider-Man is clearly a world where the rules have been established and blankets therefore should not materialize out of thin air. TAS is however filled with difficult to suspend belief for moments, and of course it's made worse because the film takes itself so deadly serious.
Movies like this cannot take itself seriously, else doomed.
For Spider-Man, we are conditioned to understand that there are usually only a few superheroes and a few villains; everyone else lives in a fairly standard world, and are treated as such. Breaking those types of rules make suspending disbelief near impossible.
To use the easy example: Nobody is obviously hating the movie 'cause of the blanket shit. But, Amazing Spider-Man is clearly a world where the rules have been established and blankets therefore should not materialize out of thin air. TAS is however filled with difficult to suspend belief for moments, and of course it's made worse because the film takes itself so deadly serious.
Movies like this cannot take itself seriously, else doomed.
What the flying fuck what no no fuck no.
Discotheque
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Yeah I like it better than every Marvel studios film that isn't Iron Man 1 or Avengers.
People are going to have words with you, sir. Not I - even though I love Iron Man, Avengers and even Captain America - but people.
I seem to remember the third act being where Spider-Man 3 collapses in on itself like a dying star. Here we go - Eddie Brock is asking God to kill Peter Parker.
THE-Pink-Dagger
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If you think that Uncle Ben's death scene was funny, then you are seriously retarded.
It's a powerful scene, beautifully acted by Garfield.
It's not gonna happen but I'm glad someone's on my team
SonicMegaDrive
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I wouldn't even put Spider-Man 1 or 2 above some of those films.
MidnightCowboy
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Ok, maybe not Iron Man 1. I haven't seen X-Men in a while, but it's definitely not as good as X2 or First Class. Captain America sucks ass aside from Chris Evans being a good Captain America. Avengers is EXPLOSIONS OH MY GOD THIS IS AWESOME stuff that I'm not the biggest fan of. And Iron Man 2....
I'm of the opinion that Spider-Man 2 is the 2nd best super hero movie.
Discotheque
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Captain America and The Incredible Hulk may just be the worst comic book films I've ever seen. Fucking Fantastic Four and Blade Trinity were more enjoyable.
lol ouch Amirox. The Pink Dagger is calling your opinion retarded. Pot calling kettle black, Hitler calling somebody a fascist etc. etc.
lol ouch Amirox. The Pink Dagger is calling your opinion retarded. Pot calling kettle black, Hitler calling somebody a fascist etc. etc.
SilentProtagonist
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Exactly.
Which is why some people have a problem with the Batpod flip scene in TDK. Is Batman doing a sick flip on a custom motorcycle the craziest thing a movie about a man who dresses up as a bat and fights a clown man? No.
But does that feel out of place and excessively flashy in a movie that's very serious and fairly grounded in reality? Yeah, one could argue that.
For the record, I personally don't have a problem with that scene in TDK.
What the fuck are you talkin about ? What is this blanket issue ?
I'm sorry you're so easily manipulated but the film did not earn the moment even if it was legitimately sad to you. For me, films actually have to earn their emotional scenes.
But of course on top of being a painfully forced moment, Andrew Garfield makes the most hilarious crying face ever conceived... so it was like 500x more hilarious.
JB1981 said:
It's not so much an 'issue' as a funny observation. When Connor first transforms back after being the Lizard, he's in the sewer... somehow he magically has a perfectly clean blanket.
madformovies
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I thought it was a great film, better than the original. Most of the people I saw it with though thought it was just OK. The Spiderman stunts though are pretty cool and weren't all just CGI, they actually had a proper stunt team. I also love Emma Stone
Nonsense. Sony would have just have waited as long as they (contractually) could have and then rebooted it again anyway. Why would they just hand the rights to their most valuable screen franchise to a direct competitor?
What do you think Disney would have done with it? Just introduced the character somewhere (Avengers sequel?) and then started producing their own Spider-Man films. Probably within the same time scale Sony would have rebooted Spider-man.
Disney are getting ready to make yet another Hulk movie thought to be ready for release in 2014. That would make it the THIRD attempt at starting a Hulk franchise.
They are all as shameless as each other.
LOL
)José Mourinho
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Fair enough, I just can't say I've ever found myself getting bothered by such details. I just think if you're willing to accept the changes the writers impose on the world such as lizard men and spider what have you, then you probably shouldn't be too bothered when the writers tell you some guy managed to sneak a lab in to a sewer and find a clean blanket while he was down there too.
As you were GAF.
MidnightCowboy
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I love the movie, but I have to agree with you, Garfield's laugh was hilarious and weird. His scream at the end after
Gwen's dad dies
Oh please, the film is open to critique like any other film. The presentation on plenty of things left a lot to be desired.
you cray cray.
Absolute craziness.
Discotheque
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it's not that farfetched considering how god-awful Iron Man 2 and Captain America were.
AHA-Lambda
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I'd expand that spoiler tag, man. I mean, there's a very limited number of things that could be under there.
Spider-Man 3 is winding down. Yep, it's gone to a hot mess in mere moments. News reports!
Yeah, I understand. It's not like it's a problem if you don't get bothered by that. I'm just trying to make a distinction between those who have problems with all fantasy, and those who have problems when established world rules are being broken in said films.
Sometimes when I criticize a movie with fantastical elements, a common response is "god do you even have an imagination?" And of course, it has nothing to do with imagination. I love many fantastical films.
Yeah that was much better. I think also he did a pretty good job expressing genuine concern when the
kid was about to die
Admiral Bone to Pick
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God-awful is really something that should be saved for an Adam Sandler movie. Iron Man 2 and Captain America were flawed, but they were still fairly solid films. I know this is NeoGAF but not everything has to be towards one extreme.
In no world can I envision spider man 3 above any other marvel film made since 2000
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Nah I think Captain America is Jack and Jill levels of awful. Iron Man 2 is just a bad film but not as bad I suppose.
SonicMegaDrive
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I dunno, Spider-Man 3 was reaching Green Lantern and Catwoman levels of badness. Iron Man 2 and Captain America were pretty flawed, but I didn't storm out of the theater pissed off after watching those.
Lets not go that far.
megamerican
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It was good. Don't think it lives up to the Raimi films though. It just doesn't have any iconic moments like the Bonesaw sequence, the train car fight, or the emo-dance thing. On the positive side, there is a ton of potential due to the top notch casting.
I'm gonna see it, but I have no hype for it.
And yes, Raimi and Maguire FTW. The world could use more Raimi.
Do you laugh at the word boobies?
Holla holla holla.
MidnightCowboy
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Spider-Man 3 Dance Sequence
This scene alone makes SM3 better than a lot of comic book movies.
This scene alone makes SM3 better than a lot of comic book movies.
zomgbbqftw
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The Hulk, The Incredible Hulk, X-Men: The Last Stand, X-Men Origins: Wolverine. All worse than Spider-Man 3. Which is really saying something about their lack of quality. Awful movies. I would also say Iron Man 2 and Captain America are on the same level as SM3 while Thor is only slightly better and that's basically because Natalie Portman is very pretty.
I absolutely love how S-M2 treats this.
Citizen: "You want him, you gotta go through us first!"
Ock: "As you wish"
*wrecks everyone's shit*
I think the sequel could be one of the best superhero movies ever made if they really focus on what's possible and make sense of where they want to take the series. They played it pretty safe for this reboot, but with the good box office returns and generally positive reviews, they should go all out on the next one. Bigger set pieces, more location shooting in New York, etc. I would think they'd be in college at that point unless they're going to make the 2nd movie take place a few months after the first one, so I would have Harry already established as Peter's friend and bring in Norman, but not as the main villain.
I agree it gets too much hate. I wouldn't put it over all of these, though. Iron Man is still great. The Avengers and X-Men are only alright but I'd put them over SM3. Iron Man 2 is probably even with SM3, but SM3 is more compellingly messed up. Same for Captain. I'd watch Spider-Man 3 again over Captain and Iron Man 2 just because of how weird it is.
The acting is fine. The editing and pacing are bullshit.
Mhm, this was a very well-acted scene.
Last Stand and Wolverine are close but nothing is more of a train-wreck than the acting/story/writing/dancing of spidy 3.
BertramCooper
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Unfortunately, it would be about 45 minutes, tops.
See You Next Wednesday
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Pretty much ever Marvel Studios film I seen except Iron Man 1 are the worst comic book films I've ever seen.
Not really surprised to see so many people being so easily impressed.
SonicMegaDrive
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Agreed. There was just no way back from that fiasco.
I wasn't hot with the idea of them rebooting it so soon, but it really did need to be done. With any luck, they can build on this one and be free of the restraints of having to retell the origin story the next time out.
No, cakefoo (although I do laugh at your posts... all the time!). I sometimes am even very moved emotionally in tons of movies!
It's just, ya know, films have to earn their emotional moments and not also be accompanied by the funniest crying face ever in history. I'm sure you thought your comment was clever, though, so let me steer clear of your internal fist pumping so I can go to this damn party with fireworks. AMERICA woo!
Thor's so damn boring. Establishes the Loki-Thor relationship well enough for The Avengers to capitalize on it, but other than that and Hemsworth and Elba, it's a shell. Just like Portman's character.
edit: oh and I'll still back up The Hulk. It's another weird film, but it's better than TIH's uninspired attitude. Actually, a Hulk-critic nailed it here I think. You'll maybe want to use http://www.convertcase.net/
Dunno. Hellboy's great. I actually never saw II. Will have to do a del Toro binge sometime in between now and Pacific Rim.
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