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Tobey gets far more shit than he deserves. I liked this new kid quite a bit, but I liked Tobey as Spider-Man until he stopped giving a fuck.
I think Tobeys best Peter Parker/spiderman is in spiderman 2. 1 and 3 not so much.
This just reminded me of how fucking furious I was when I saw the movie in theaters. This is just trash.
grimshawish
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Toby is great in the first film and strong in the second. The only thing that hurts the films is he kind of peaks in the second and has no emotional journey in the third. So it all looks samey.
I think he deals with some weak dialogue in places really well. Hes a great Spiderman.
Most of that had to do with him losing interest in the series and his physique.
Also, the guy who played Spider-Man in the comics was shit! How is Tobey supposed to live up to that!?
Say WUTTT, all your posts in here made me think you had for some reason.
No, seeing it Monday.
If your theater shows it in both 2D/3D, see the 2D showing.
How does that work? ;p I wish I could see it in IMAX as everyone who has says it was great, and those who've seen both 3D types suggest IMAX, but if you can afford the 3D you're not losing anything tbh. Great in some scenes.
[edit] Nice quick edit. :lol
Just watched it - really liked it.
I prefer Andrew to Tobey... and Emma, GODDAMN. Lizard was a bit weak, but eh... I left the theater entertained. Loved the few wisecracks Spidey had.
I agree with the score criticism though. That was the worst part of the movie for me.
EDIT: I liked it better than 3 and 1, but not as much as 2.
I prefer Andrew to Tobey... and Emma, GODDAMN. Lizard was a bit weak, but eh... I left the theater entertained. Loved the few wisecracks Spidey had.
I agree with the score criticism though. That was the worst part of the movie for me.
EDIT: I liked it better than 3 and 1, but not as much as 2.
Mac the KNife
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AgentChris
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Just saw it and my brother & I loved it. The beginning was all Peter and Gwen with a touch of Ben/Aunt May but it was done well. The 2nd half was pure magic. Spider-Man was everything I wanted and more; cocky and funny. Marc Webb did a great job with the action. All of Spider-Man's movement had weight and fluidity that Raimi's didn't. The swinging, first person and fighting was aces. The Lizard/Dr. Connors as a character was the only thing that was average at best. All in all the movie was amazing.
My favorite comic book movie. It has surpassed Spider-Man 2 and I can't wait to see Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone again in 2014.
Lots of people at my theater laughed at the jokes and clapped when Peter wore his Spidey costume for the first time. The crane and ending sequence was fantastic.
My favorite comic book movie. It has surpassed Spider-Man 2 and I can't wait to see Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone again in 2014.
Lots of people at my theater laughed at the jokes and clapped when Peter wore his Spidey costume for the first time. The crane and ending sequence was fantastic.
ViewtifulJC
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Ok, so...Amazing Spider-Man. I'm just gonna go ahead and say SPOILERS ALL UP IN THIS POST in big bold letters so nobody can get upset. Let's start with the positives. What DOES work in this movie?
-Spider-Man's movement: I'm indifferent on the outfit, but at the very least, they nailed the way Spider-Man moves. The way he crouches down, the way he moves through battles, the way his body bends and contorts in the air or small places. That was the best visual of live-action Spider-Man action I've seen.
-Captain Stacy: Captain Stacy was a bigger hero then freakin' Spider-Man, but I'll get to that in a second. He's a believable character, with behavior that makes sense cohesively throughout the movie. He's suspecious of Peter(as anyone would be, dude is a creep), but he comes around to him. He loves his daugther and this city, and would die to protect them, which leads to his realization that Spidey is a good guy and his selfless actions to stop the Lizard. It's unfortunate that the most heroic character in this movie happens to be a secondary character, but he is good nonetheless.
-Uncle Ben: Uncle Ben is a fully-realized human being. He can go from humorous, to worried, to angry, and it feels completely justified because he has actual purpose in the narrative. He has a clear characterization that allows him to feel and react to the things that happen in the movie. Everything he does is thematically correct and coherent. And Martin Sheen does a HELL of a job displaying it. He's easily the best part about this movie.
-Uh....well, shit, I think that's about it!
What doesn't work:
-It's overly-familiar: There's no way to get around the fact this movie rehashes a LOT of the same beats and ideas Raimi did in 2002...just without any of the pop fun or spark or creativity. It can't help but ask for comparison...and not in a good way.
-Peter Benjamin Parker: Or the character in the movie who just so happens to share the same name with the character from the comic books. I don't know who the fuck this character is, and the movie clearly doesn't, either. One minute he's a total outcast loser, the next he's wooing Gwen Stacey with goobly-gook awkward talk. He's charming in one scene, and then forgets how to talk in the next. Unlike Uncle Ben, Peter here is a haphazard group of attributes, thrown together and taken out whenever the plot demands it. The one consistent part of his character is he's an asshole. A self-absorbed, bullying asshole. He steals, he picks on people, he lies, he shuts people out who care about him, and TWO(TWO) father-figures get killed and he learns NOTHING from their deaths. Uncle Ben gets shot, and instead of feeling like it was his fault/great-power-great-responsibility gotta help people now, he's out on a revenge tour to make himself feel better. And then he just kinda forgets about that. Captain Stacy, dying man and the biggest hero in this story, tells him to keep a promise, then Peter's like, "Eh, promises you can't keep are the best kind".
THIS IS THE HERO!? This whiny, narcissistic, aloof, fumbly-mouth jerkass!? Peter Parker has EVERYTHING handed to him: he's second in his class, he's good-looking, he can pull Gwen Stacy without even SAYING anything, he has great powers and doesn't need any responsibility. There's no conflict to this character named Peter Parker. His biggest flaw is that he gets beat up sometimes and he comes home not explaining anything, while the women who love him go, "Aww, you poor thing". Fuck you, guy.
-The relationship with Peter/Gwen: Is it cute? Sure. Is it "naturalistic"? Yeah, I guess you can argue that. Is it interesting or serve any kind of purpose? Not at all. Unlike Peter and MJ, a relationship that built alllll the way up to that great moment in Spider-Man 2's finale when she finds out Peter Parker has been Spidey all this time, Gwen and Peter have ZERO conflict. He doesn't have to win her over from some other guy, he doesn't have to build up his social skills or whatever to talk to her, he doesn't have to hide the fact that he's Spider-Man. Like everything else in this movie, Gwen is handed to Peter on a silver platter. No obstacles, no problems, no actual drama. It's just...there. It exists. Texture to the story, but not really part of the story. They begin and end in the same place, they both totally like each other omg so cute. MJ may have been a dismal-in-distress a lot, but she was never relegated to being Peter Parker's sidekick like Gwen is this entire movie.
-Flash: That guy went from being totally embarrassed by Peter to trying to comfort him, and give him a big ol' hug near the end like they're best friends. They never show WHY this character is behaving this way. Maybe his dad died, too? Maybe someone talked to him about it? Who knows. Like EVERYTHING ELSE in this film, just another potential problem for Peter handwaved away, Peter Parker the handsome, super-smart, super-powered, charming dickhead who will bully you one day and then suddenly you want to be his friend.
-Curt Connors/Lizard: Did ANYONE care about The Lizard? Anyone at all? Not just that he looks stupid, I'm a fan of GG in SM1, I'm ok with stupid-looking bad guys if they're actually GOOD characters, but I can't say the same about ol' Curt here. The first half the movie is spent with him spouting boring exposition and being sad about his lost arm. Then, suddenly he's the Lizard and he wants to turn everybody into big lizard people, too. There's no real correlation between the two, no Two-Face or Dr. Jerkl/Mr. Hyde kinda thing. He just becomes this one-dimensional monster, with none of the moral/intelligent attributes he had in the first half of the film, with a sudden doomsday plot for whatever reason. There's no momentum, no tension, no real conflict between the two personalities. A switch is flipped halfway through the film, and that's that. He's as uninteresting a bad guy as they come.
-That crane scene: I don't hate it because it's cheesy. I get it. New York City supports Spider-Man and he's our guy and shit. But uh...when the fuck did THAT happen!? There's that one guy who's like, "Hey, that's the guy who helped my son, I'm gonna help him out", but he can control all the cranes? And he makes the cops on the streets stop traffic? And what's the fuckin' point of the cranes anyway? Can't he just swing on the damn buildings like he always does? There's a helicopter with a spotlight on him. If they love him so much, suddenly, can't he just hitch a ride up there? It's an incredibly forced, contrived, UNEARNED moment that just sits there staring at you, and you can't help but laugh at it.
-Boy, that mysterious shit in the credits was dumb The whole movie is about identity and discovering yourself. They build up this Untold Story about Peter's parents, and then that plotline gets dropped real fast(bet we can see it on the Blu-Ray though!), and then it goes off on it's own. It doesn't matter who you are, it's what you do that defines you, all that Batman Begins stuff(just instead of learning, earning, and becoming a better person/hero like Bruce does in BB, he's the same stupid piece of shit he was back when he was near the beginning). But then they got that mysterious shit at the end, ooh the secret of Peter Parker's parents, suddenly this matters again although we decided to cut most of it but hey we got sequel material now. Haphazard transparent bullshit.
God, I could go on. The score, the editing, the pacing, the complete misunderstanding about Peter Parker/Spider-Man and self-identity themes...ugh, how disappointing.
Amazing Spider-Man is, at best, a mediocre superhero film, and it's often times much, much worse. Bring on the reboot of this reboot.
-Spider-Man's movement: I'm indifferent on the outfit, but at the very least, they nailed the way Spider-Man moves. The way he crouches down, the way he moves through battles, the way his body bends and contorts in the air or small places. That was the best visual of live-action Spider-Man action I've seen.
-Captain Stacy: Captain Stacy was a bigger hero then freakin' Spider-Man, but I'll get to that in a second. He's a believable character, with behavior that makes sense cohesively throughout the movie. He's suspecious of Peter(as anyone would be, dude is a creep), but he comes around to him. He loves his daugther and this city, and would die to protect them, which leads to his realization that Spidey is a good guy and his selfless actions to stop the Lizard. It's unfortunate that the most heroic character in this movie happens to be a secondary character, but he is good nonetheless.
-Uncle Ben: Uncle Ben is a fully-realized human being. He can go from humorous, to worried, to angry, and it feels completely justified because he has actual purpose in the narrative. He has a clear characterization that allows him to feel and react to the things that happen in the movie. Everything he does is thematically correct and coherent. And Martin Sheen does a HELL of a job displaying it. He's easily the best part about this movie.
-Uh....well, shit, I think that's about it!
What doesn't work:
-It's overly-familiar: There's no way to get around the fact this movie rehashes a LOT of the same beats and ideas Raimi did in 2002...just without any of the pop fun or spark or creativity. It can't help but ask for comparison...and not in a good way.
-Peter Benjamin Parker: Or the character in the movie who just so happens to share the same name with the character from the comic books. I don't know who the fuck this character is, and the movie clearly doesn't, either. One minute he's a total outcast loser, the next he's wooing Gwen Stacey with goobly-gook awkward talk. He's charming in one scene, and then forgets how to talk in the next. Unlike Uncle Ben, Peter here is a haphazard group of attributes, thrown together and taken out whenever the plot demands it. The one consistent part of his character is he's an asshole. A self-absorbed, bullying asshole. He steals, he picks on people, he lies, he shuts people out who care about him, and TWO(TWO) father-figures get killed and he learns NOTHING from their deaths. Uncle Ben gets shot, and instead of feeling like it was his fault/great-power-great-responsibility gotta help people now, he's out on a revenge tour to make himself feel better. And then he just kinda forgets about that. Captain Stacy, dying man and the biggest hero in this story, tells him to keep a promise, then Peter's like, "Eh, promises you can't keep are the best kind".
THIS IS THE HERO!? This whiny, narcissistic, aloof, fumbly-mouth jerkass!? Peter Parker has EVERYTHING handed to him: he's second in his class, he's good-looking, he can pull Gwen Stacy without even SAYING anything, he has great powers and doesn't need any responsibility. There's no conflict to this character named Peter Parker. His biggest flaw is that he gets beat up sometimes and he comes home not explaining anything, while the women who love him go, "Aww, you poor thing". Fuck you, guy.
-The relationship with Peter/Gwen: Is it cute? Sure. Is it "naturalistic"? Yeah, I guess you can argue that. Is it interesting or serve any kind of purpose? Not at all. Unlike Peter and MJ, a relationship that built alllll the way up to that great moment in Spider-Man 2's finale when she finds out Peter Parker has been Spidey all this time, Gwen and Peter have ZERO conflict. He doesn't have to win her over from some other guy, he doesn't have to build up his social skills or whatever to talk to her, he doesn't have to hide the fact that he's Spider-Man. Like everything else in this movie, Gwen is handed to Peter on a silver platter. No obstacles, no problems, no actual drama. It's just...there. It exists. Texture to the story, but not really part of the story. They begin and end in the same place, they both totally like each other omg so cute. MJ may have been a dismal-in-distress a lot, but she was never relegated to being Peter Parker's sidekick like Gwen is this entire movie.
-Flash: That guy went from being totally embarrassed by Peter to trying to comfort him, and give him a big ol' hug near the end like they're best friends. They never show WHY this character is behaving this way. Maybe his dad died, too? Maybe someone talked to him about it? Who knows. Like EVERYTHING ELSE in this film, just another potential problem for Peter handwaved away, Peter Parker the handsome, super-smart, super-powered, charming dickhead who will bully you one day and then suddenly you want to be his friend.
-Curt Connors/Lizard: Did ANYONE care about The Lizard? Anyone at all? Not just that he looks stupid, I'm a fan of GG in SM1, I'm ok with stupid-looking bad guys if they're actually GOOD characters, but I can't say the same about ol' Curt here. The first half the movie is spent with him spouting boring exposition and being sad about his lost arm. Then, suddenly he's the Lizard and he wants to turn everybody into big lizard people, too. There's no real correlation between the two, no Two-Face or Dr. Jerkl/Mr. Hyde kinda thing. He just becomes this one-dimensional monster, with none of the moral/intelligent attributes he had in the first half of the film, with a sudden doomsday plot for whatever reason. There's no momentum, no tension, no real conflict between the two personalities. A switch is flipped halfway through the film, and that's that. He's as uninteresting a bad guy as they come.
-That crane scene: I don't hate it because it's cheesy. I get it. New York City supports Spider-Man and he's our guy and shit. But uh...when the fuck did THAT happen!? There's that one guy who's like, "Hey, that's the guy who helped my son, I'm gonna help him out", but he can control all the cranes? And he makes the cops on the streets stop traffic? And what's the fuckin' point of the cranes anyway? Can't he just swing on the damn buildings like he always does? There's a helicopter with a spotlight on him. If they love him so much, suddenly, can't he just hitch a ride up there? It's an incredibly forced, contrived, UNEARNED moment that just sits there staring at you, and you can't help but laugh at it.
-Boy, that mysterious shit in the credits was dumb The whole movie is about identity and discovering yourself. They build up this Untold Story about Peter's parents, and then that plotline gets dropped real fast(bet we can see it on the Blu-Ray though!), and then it goes off on it's own. It doesn't matter who you are, it's what you do that defines you, all that Batman Begins stuff(just instead of learning, earning, and becoming a better person/hero like Bruce does in BB, he's the same stupid piece of shit he was back when he was near the beginning). But then they got that mysterious shit at the end, ooh the secret of Peter Parker's parents, suddenly this matters again although we decided to cut most of it but hey we got sequel material now. Haphazard transparent bullshit.
God, I could go on. The score, the editing, the pacing, the complete misunderstanding about Peter Parker/Spider-Man and self-identity themes...ugh, how disappointing.
Amazing Spider-Man is, at best, a mediocre superhero film, and it's often times much, much worse. Bring on the reboot of this reboot.
AgentChris
Member
I wished the 3D was used better. I still can't believe Marc Webb did the action so well.
Yup. That was by far the most impressive feat of ASM. I'm certainly not one of those people that like to bash 3D for no apparent reason, but this was one of the worst examples of it being used that I've ever seen.
Good Job Bob
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Yeah, I can pretty much agree with everything ViewtifulJC said; movie is a complete botch job, anyone saying it's better than SM1 is an idiot.
AgentChris
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Opinions... how do they work?
Admiral Bone to Pick
Banned
"People with different opinions are idiots."
I happened to like the movie. I'm not going to write up a huge college-level essay about it, but I enjoyed it. Not sure how it would compare to the Raimi movies since I haven't watched them in forever (and I don't really want to), but as a Spider-man movie, I think ASM succeeds.
Just got back from seeing it on liemax 3d. Pretty good, but fell short of what I had hoped for. Definitely think Garfield is a better spidey than Maguire and I think the general public will agree after the trilogy is done.
Special effects were nice and it was cool to see Peter mature through the movie. Was nice that the ending shows he has more to go. Just seemed to drag in places and other areas it could have been expanded on.
Special effects were nice and it was cool to see Peter mature through the movie. Was nice that the ending shows he has more to go. Just seemed to drag in places and other areas it could have been expanded on.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I wouldn't call people who think it's better then SM1 idiots, I mean, you like what you like.
...But man, I'm looking at these two movies and it's just night-and-damn-day.
I mean...it's pretty? The lead actors are good-looking, there's better special effects, there's some shitty 3D, there's that one scene where Spider-Man is an unfunny asshole to that car thief that I guess people say is "wise-cracking". And for some/most people, that'll be enough. They just want to see colors and pretty people and Spidey swinging about beating up a bad guy. But it's so cookie-cutter, so obviously "corporately-mandated filmmaking by committee", so fundamentally flawed on pratically every level with no real purpose or energy...I can't even compare with the 2002 original. They aren't even in the same league, much less the ballpark.
...But man, I'm looking at these two movies and it's just night-and-damn-day.
I mean...it's pretty? The lead actors are good-looking, there's better special effects, there's some shitty 3D, there's that one scene where Spider-Man is an unfunny asshole to that car thief that I guess people say is "wise-cracking". And for some/most people, that'll be enough. They just want to see colors and pretty people and Spidey swinging about beating up a bad guy. But it's so cookie-cutter, so obviously "corporately-mandated filmmaking by committee", so fundamentally flawed on pratically every level with no real purpose or energy...I can't even compare with the 2002 original. They aren't even in the same league, much less the ballpark.
AgentChris
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Regarding Uncle Ben
Spider-Man with wise cracks during battles is sogood.gif
the voice-mail was a nice touch but he should have said the famous line.
thehypocrite
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Oh showing us DAT rage!!!
thehypocrite
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"Movie wasn't what I expected or filmed in the same way I would if I were the director, thus it sucked, everyone that's finds it enjoyable and entertaining has low standards/poor taste/etc"
I think you're too full of yourself.
GitarooMan
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Count me as a fan of it. I think Garfield was a great Peter Parker and Spider Man, and Emma Stone was fantastic. I like how they really showed his web shooters being put to good use for all sorts of things not just swinging. Looking forward to more movies for sure.
thehypocrite
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Fudgepuppy
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I really liked the characterizations in this movie, they really took their time and established them really well, but the pacing felt really off in some places while the editing also felt a bit off.
Still enjoyed it. It had great actors that understood their roles, even though some dialogues could have been less expository and just simpler.
Great movie overall, will probably love it even more when it comes out on Blu-ray.
Still enjoyed it. It had great actors that understood their roles, even though some dialogues could have been less expository and just simpler.
Great movie overall, will probably love it even more when it comes out on Blu-ray.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
You have just defined pretty much every form of criticism ever made. Good job with that discovery.
planar1280
Banned
You can't just have TASM on par or slightly better than Spider-Man 1 for it to be a class apart. Spider-Man 1 blew people away as a new thing in 2002. People simply were not awed by TASM because its already been attempted. Even if it had been attempted, the new attempt is not as ground breaking as Spider-Man 1. This is why with cheaper tickets, lower theaters and no 3D tax, Spider-Man 1 made 400+ Million at the Box Office while with all those fiscal advantages, TASM will make less than Spider-Man 3.
Spider-Man 1 - 8.5/10
Spider-Man 2 - 10/10
Spider-Man 3 - 6.5/10
TASM - 7.5/10
Despite the flaws in Spider-Man 1, there was a sense of newness and awe for something completely new, something never before attempted. if THIS TASM was released in 2001, it would have been a 9.5/10
Spider-Man 1 - 8.5/10
Spider-Man 2 - 10/10
Spider-Man 3 - 6.5/10
TASM - 7.5/10
Despite the flaws in Spider-Man 1, there was a sense of newness and awe for something completely new, something never before attempted. if THIS TASM was released in 2001, it would have been a 9.5/10
thehypocrite
Member
Yeah, however you could have spared us the cookie cutter diatribe though and summed it up saying just that, instead you went on a tangent moving between armchair film director and uninspired film critic.
Napoleonthechimp
Member
Andrew Garfield was a terrible Spider-Man. That's pretty much my only problem with it.
ViewtifulJC
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Admiral Bone to Pick
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I think this picture pretty much sums up the thread right now:
thehypocrite
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Admiral Bone to Pick
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I hope so. Honestly it's less the criticism and more the negativity. Maybe I need a GAF break.
eh, what? They didn't really become friends, he was just trying to take it easy on him.
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