Yeah, I decided to watch the first hour today and it's not bad... yet. I'm afraid to watch the rest.
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Yeah, I decided to watch the first hour today and it's not bad... yet. I'm afraid to watch the rest.
ViewtifulJC
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Man, there is a straight up dance number in a big summer blockbuster.
Raimi has some balls
Raimi has some balls
Parker in TAS: steals decay algorithm from fathers notes. steals web slinging material = Genius?
That is a selective as fuck way to look at those things
XANDER CAGE
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Well it is Spider-Man. Just sayin'. I feel like TASM lacked a lot of the goofy charm kind of inherent to the character.
Anyone? I am really curious about this.
Maybe, but someone earlier described TAS Parker as a slacker more than a nerd, and I tend to agree. Apart from being part of the debate team and a moment at Oscorp Labs (although he just was reading about Animal Dynamics Lab the night before, which the other interns should have been too!) not much else demonstrates any of his genius or nerdiness. A poster of Einstein and Rear Window don't count!
I don't believe so, I think he just stole a lot of money but didn't actually or intentionally kill anyone (uncle ben included). His character motivation and overall arc is pretty terrible though. All he does throughout the movie is try to rob banks to pay for his daughters medical bills. That is literally all there is to the character.
BTW is Sam Raimi a born again christian? SM2 and SM3 both deal in very christian themes, self-sacrifice and forgiveness etc. Peter literally sheds the symbiote (evil) inside a Church.
I just got out of seeing it again. I love webbs visual style. The one scene I love is
You can give it shit all you want, but he captured the fluidity of spider-mans movements better than raimi did.
when gwenn goes to his door after her fathers death and she is standing there and the houses seem to go on forever
You can give it shit all you want, but he captured the fluidity of spider-mans movements better than raimi did.
AgentChris
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I love how the colors pop in this movie.
AgentChris
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My new wallpaper.
Nah, the story was always going to deal with themes of revenge and forgiveness. I've always thought that, despite being studio-mandated, Venom was actually (in theory) a nice fit for the movie.
Mine too.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Regarding the movie:
So... Is there anything that was deleted or something? What's the point of mutant cops when they didn't create any havoc? I could've sworn they were shown stirring some shit in a trailer or two...
Admiral Bone to Pick
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Even Spiderman fucking 3 has more personality in one scene than the entirety of TASM.
I seem to remember a review saying that ASM would be controversial: Some would love it, others would hate it. But to be honest, one side is just a bit less subject to ridiculous hyperbole.
There was a major scene in the sewers involving Spidey, The Lizard and Dr. Ratha that was cut. It was seemingly 100% finished as well. It likely involved info about Peter's parents.
The thing you mentioned may have simply been a budget related thing. No doubt they originally intended to build an action scene out of them (IIRC there was a toy set leaked that showed that).
AgentChris
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I hope the blu-ray has a extended DC. But I doubt it because it seemed like the whole "Untold Story" will remain untold.
TheKaeptain
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The first Spiderman movie has shit cinematography.
First you say the direction was crap and now ASM has shit cinematography. You really have no clue what you're talking about do you?
Uh, no.
Genuine emotion in SM1, lol. MJ's dad alone was cartoonish.
SM1 has a cheesy charm to it sure, which is fine, but it does not have more "genuine emotions."
Grassclipper
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Well I took it that he reverse-engineered the web formula, as he mentions that he makes it himself. Plus he built the web shooters by himself.
Just came back from seeing it. I thought it was okay. By no means perfect, but easily better than any of the Raimi films.
The leads are all much better now. Garfield makes a pitch perfect Peter Parker. I'd gotten so used to Tobey Maguire's dopey routine that I had completely forgotten that Parker could be likeable. For all the talk of this movie taking the series in a darker direction, it felt funnier and more energetic than anything Raimi produced. Emma Stone was a breath of fresh air as well. And it goes without saying that Martin Sheen was a far more interesting Uncle Ben than the Johnny Cash stunt double ever was.
One strange thing that happened was that I noticed I liked the movie more whenever Parker wasn't wearing the suit. I think it's partly because I think Garfield looks goofy in the costume, and because his face isn't as punchable as Maguire's.
The leads are all much better now. Garfield makes a pitch perfect Peter Parker. I'd gotten so used to Tobey Maguire's dopey routine that I had completely forgotten that Parker could be likeable. For all the talk of this movie taking the series in a darker direction, it felt funnier and more energetic than anything Raimi produced. Emma Stone was a breath of fresh air as well. And it goes without saying that Martin Sheen was a far more interesting Uncle Ben than the Johnny Cash stunt double ever was.
One strange thing that happened was that I noticed I liked the movie more whenever Parker wasn't wearing the suit. I think it's partly because I think Garfield looks goofy in the costume, and because his face isn't as punchable as Maguire's.
One minor pet peeve I have would be the continuation of the "New York <3 Spidey" thing that began in first Raimi film with that cringe worthy bridge scene, and continued in Spider-man 2, where a train full of New Yorkers have seen Spider-man's face, but insist they will never reveal his identity...right. At least with this film there's a satifactory set up for the New Yorker's act of kindness. I would still like it if the meme just died though.
Good Job Bob
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Do you honestly think the direction in this movie is anything above mediocre?
It's certainly anything above Sam Raimi.
Good Job Bob
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lol
This kind of shit should be bannable. Your opinion is not above everyone else's. It's fine that you like Raimi's films but acting as if everyone should like it and undermining their opinion is pretty pathetic.
ViewtifulJC
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Yeah, GJB can dumb down any level of discussion. I think it might be his mutant power.
Potential opening villain for ASM2???
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
IMO it most certainly does. Uncle Ben's death, Osborn's death, Peter rejecting MJ, and Peter lying to Harry about his father's death all provided a much more emotional, "geuine" impact. Uncle Ben's death felt extremely rushed here, did anybody give a shit about
Captain Stacy dying? And what kind of emotional impact is left when Peter goes and retcons his promise to a dying man two scenes later by saying "yeah I'll probably break that"
But at the expense of Aunt May. She was essentially wasted in ASM.
This is true. I'm hoping she'll be more of a character in the sequel because she was just flat in this movie.
EliteArtist
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Second viewing opinions: Overall, I still like the film. Horrible job on the editors part, especially with Horner's score. I noticed it much more this time than I did on the initial viewing. Shame about Lizard's modeling. It really was magnificent until they went into putting on the detailing and textures. First half is still my favorite if only for Peter Parker characterization. That's about all the time Im going to spend on opinions.
I'm curious about what all was on the board that Richard wipes off before leaving with Peter. I noticed Spider Genome and that was about it. Which leads me to to some speculation: What if the Decay Rate Algorithm was only tuned to Peter's specific DNA? It would explain why it didn't work on Curt Connors (what with the variables) and thus lead to more failed attempts at using the Algorithm.
I'm curious about what all was on the board that Richard wipes off before leaving with Peter. I noticed Spider Genome and that was about it. Which leads me to to some speculation: What if the Decay Rate Algorithm was only tuned to Peter's specific DNA? It would explain why it didn't work on Curt Connors (what with the variables) and thus lead to more failed attempts at using the Algorithm.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
The difference in screen-time is negligible at best, and Uncle Ben's death in ASM
is not in any shape or form somehow Peter's fault. In SM1 Peter purposively let the thug go for revenge, while in ASM he accepts a free milk and decides not to chase after him. Uncle Ben then decides to be a hero and gets shot. Which leads to Peter being depressed for a bit and looking for the killer, but then suddenly stops looking (for no apparent reason) and decides to take on the Lizard. In SM1 the thug steals Ben's car and shots him in the process (ignoring SM3 here), and Peter tracks down his Uncle's killer and pushes him out a window. Through this he learns that his Uncle would of wanted him to use his powers for good, not revenge A.K.A. With great power comes great responsibility. Uncle Ben's death is felt throughout the whole movie in SM1, while it's barely even mentioned again 20 minutes after it happens in ASM
Etrian Oddity
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Agreed. I liked Andrew Garfield way more than I did Toby McGuire, and I think this move is way better than Spiderman 1.
I felt this movie had a lot more in common with the '90s animated series than the other three Spiderman movies, which I love. It's like the Toby films tried to do their own thing, whereas this one was more comic'y in style.
I will say that I felt the final fight in Spiderman was more emotional than the final fight in The Amazing Spiderman, which suffered from "let's make it look sleek and badass" syndrome.
That said, I cannot wait for the sequel. I want to see Scorpion in the future, although the Rhino may be a better dragon in the next ASM. Or better yet, to avoid the mutant/monster thing, they could use that one guy (whose name eludes me) who uses the three mecha spiders to hunt Spiderman in the '90s cartoon.
But yeah. Fuck yeah. I loved this movie and can't wait for the next one.
AgentChris
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Interesting. I wish I had the blu-ray already, so I could pause at that point. In Ultimate Spider-Man, Richard Parker's research was the basis for the creation of Venom.
I liked how they quoted four superhero movies that do the gas-over-the-city storyline: Batman, Batman Begins, X-Men and this movie. It's pretty pathetic, really.
AgentChris
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Not sure if this was posted already but Rhys Ifans said
the man in the shadows is not Norman Osborn.
Capone: We were debating whether it was a prison or a mental institute.
RI: It's not a zoo. [laughs] I kept seeing it as maybe a mixture of both. Then a representative from OsCorp appears miraculously in the room. How he gets in there and how he leaves, we dont know. Maybe we will find out. But its not Norman Osborn.
Capone: Its not? You can say that?
RI: Yeah. But it is someone who is in the employ of Norman Osborn without question.
Capone: Someone we're familiar with, who we dont know is employed by Osborn?
RI: Yeah.
Capone: Okay, interesting.
RI: Who knows? Maybe he will be the next bad guy; well see.
RI: It's not a zoo. [laughs] I kept seeing it as maybe a mixture of both. Then a representative from OsCorp appears miraculously in the room. How he gets in there and how he leaves, we dont know. Maybe we will find out. But its not Norman Osborn.
Capone: Its not? You can say that?
RI: Yeah. But it is someone who is in the employ of Norman Osborn without question.
Capone: Someone we're familiar with, who we dont know is employed by Osborn?
RI: Yeah.
Capone: Okay, interesting.
RI: Who knows? Maybe he will be the next bad guy; well see.
EliteArtist
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Could be a coat. The point is it's intentionally vague. We're not supposed to know who it is. I just love seeing all the wild leaps in this thread on who it is. From a hat pointing to Doc Ock to a cape being Mysterio. I love it.
AgentChris
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He was also holding onto a hat.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
I still think it is Doc Ock with a top hat and coat. But I'm hoping you're correct.
Edit: It would make more sense for a nuclear physicist/atomic research consultant to work for Oscorp and know Connors then a special effects/stunt man.
Agreed. Spidey 1 handled it way better. In Amazing,
Ben didn't even say the line. They awkwardly tiptoed around it. "something something something something RESPONSIBILITY". I laughed out loud.
You know who originally said that line to Peter in Amazing Fantasy #15?
Nobody. The narrator tells us Peter realizes it on his own.
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