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[PantherLotus]

Yep. This is why you shouldn't embolden terrorists.

And what does President Obama do to terrorists?

Together, Class...

 

[thatbox]

That's nothing a bit of hostage taking by the GOP can't "fix". It worked incredibly well so far. No reason in their minds why it shouldn't work just as well again....and again, and again, and again....

If you've watched any of the amendment sparring, you'll see that they add (for example) the Keystone pipeline to everything, and then extract concessions from the Democrats from actually relevant programs. So in every compromise, the Democrats give up different things, and the Republicans give up the pipeline over and over.

 

[Oblivion]

Joe the Plumber lays waste to Science.


U mad, libruls? :smug

 

[siddhu33]

Joe the Plumber lays waste to Science.


U mad, libruls? :smug

That whole blog is amazing...
There's stuff like individual mandate for going to church, 100000 ex-gay preachers "healing AIDS" And how Obama will use "medical nazis" to order doctors to heal people.

What the fuck.

 

[Measley]

Joe the Plumber lays waste to Science.


U mad, libruls? :smug

That is some pretty stupid shit right there.

 

[Plinko]

Joe the Plumber lays waste to Science.


U mad, libruls? :smug

As a religious person myself I found this story to be completely nonsensical.

 

[Wilsongt]

Joe the Plumber lays waste to Science.


U mad, libruls? :smug

The bible should have a "Translated By:" portion on the front cover.

#hasnothing

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Romney and rnc 160 million on hand which will be higher than Obama and dnc.

And yes this does matter.

 

[Tamanon]

Romney and rnc 160 million on hand which will be higher than Obama and dnc.

And yes this does matter.

And, Crossroads just announced they're dropping $40 million in ads. Time to see how much money can buy you in an election.

It's going to be hilarious seeing the navel-gazing when Romney still loses with so much traditional stuff going for him.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

And, Crossroads just announced they're dropping $40 million in ads. Time to see how much money can buy you in an election.

It's going to be hilarious seeing the navel-gazing when Romney still loses with so much traditional stuff going for him.

I am sure Obama campaign would rather beer in that position than in one where they ask for 3$ every week.

Money on politics has become very important.

 

[Kosmo]

I am sure Obama campaign would rather beer in that position than in one where they ask for 3$ every week.

Money on politics has become very important.

$3 is just for the plebes to feel like they are actually contributing. The real donors are at the $36,000 a plate dinners and overseas.

 

[eznark]

I am sure Obama campaign would rather beer in that position than in one where they ask for 3$ every week.

Money on politics has become very important.

It's going to be hilarious seeing the navel-gazing when Romney still loses with so much traditional stuff going for him.

Except for the most important thing: incumbency

 

[Chumly]

$3 is just for the plebes to feel like they are actually contributing. The real donors are at the $36,000 a plate dinners and overseas.

Well Obama can actually raise significant amounts of money from the plebes. Romney has to rely on a rich old white men which means more dinners are necessary.

 

[ToxicAdam]

Well Obama can actually raise significan amounts of money from the plebes.

Obama's bundlers thus far ...

$500,000 Katzenberg, Jeffrey Los Angeles CA DreamWorks Animation $2,064,292
$500,000 Hobson and Rogers, Jr., Mellody and John Chicago IL Ariel Capital Management $1,510,889
$500,000 Jordan, Wayne Oakland CA Jordan Real Estate Investments $1,457,453
$500,000 Snyder, Jay New York NY HBJ Investments $1,400,037
$500,000 Sacks, Michael Winnetka IL Grosvenor Capital Management $1,238,281
$500,000 Bainum, Stewart Fulton MD Choice Hotels International $1,236,465
$500,000 Eychaner, Fred Chicago IL Newsweb Corp $1,220,550
$500,000 Stetson, Jane Norwich VT Democratic National Cmte $1,122,826
$500,000 Cohen, David and Rhonda Philadelphia PA Comcast Corp $1,120,681
$500,000 Pohlad, Robert Edina MN Pohlad Companies $1,004,277
$500,000 Effron, Blair New York NY Centerview Partners $998,787
$500,000 Aberly, Naomi Dallas TX TIFF Advisory Services $975,343
$500,000 Patterson, Cary Texarkana TX Nix, Patterson & Roach $952,383
$500,000 Mailer Anderson and Miner, Robert and Nicola San Francisco CA Writer/Quotidian Gallery Corp $911,700
$500,000 Corzine, Jon Hoboken NJ MF Global $897,232
$500,000 Barzun, Matthew Louisville KY Brickpath LLC $897,042
$500,000 Rosen, Jack New York NY Rosen Partners $895,180
$500,000 Kovner, Sarah New York NY Consultant $865,996
$500,000 Connors, Eileen and Jack Boston MA Hill Holliday $832,642
$500,000 Monks, Bonnie Cape Elizabeth ME Retired $800,700
$500,000 Kempner, Michael East Rutherford NJ MWW Group $784,319
$500,000 Weinstein, Harvey New York NY Weinstein Co $752,625
$500,000 Gilbert, Mark and Nancy Boca Raton FL Barclays Capital $726,774
$500,000 Bonnie, Shelby San Francisco CA Whiskey Media $704,542
$500,000 Morgan, John Lake Mary FL Morgan & Morgan $672,850
$500,000 Gill and Miller, Tim and Scott Denver CO Gill Foundation/UBS AG $672,800
$500,000 Clark, Bob St. Louis MO Clayco Construction $667,952
$500,000 Rudy, Kirk Austin TX Endeavor Real Estate $665,591
$500,000 Kramer, Orin New York NY Boston Provident $656,230
$500,000 Randlett, Wade and Lorna San Francisco CA Nextfuels Inc $634,276
$500,000 Schuster, Elaine Chestnut Hill MA Philanthropist $622,898
$500,000 Tobias, Andrew Miami FL Democratic National Cmte $608,211
$500,000 LeVine, Suzi Seattle WA Microsoft Corp $574,258
$500,000 Fernando, Rajiv Chicago IL Chopper Trading $565,050
$500,000 Hartley, Jane New York NY Observatory Group $519,742
$500,000 Wolf, Robert Purchase NY UBS AG $500,872
$500,000 Kireker, Charlie and Marie Weybridge VT Twin Birches $492,895
$500,000 Bell, Colleen Los Angeles CA Bell-Phillip TV Productions $460,500
$500,000 Ricketts, Laura Chicago IL Ecotravel LLC $456,631
$500,000 Benioff, Marc San Francisco CA Salesforce.Com $451,980
$500,000 Heyman, Vicki and Bruce Chicago IL Goldman Sachs $450,817
$500,000 Green, Steven Miami Beach FL Greenstreet Partners $444,200
$500,000 Korge, Chris Miami FL Korge & Korge $432,700
$500,000 White, Frank Washington DC Retired $410,378
$500,000 Berger, Mitchell Parkland FL Berger Singerman PA $386,421
$500,000 Lassiter, Mai Los Angeles CA Overbrook Entertainment $350,837
$500,000 Falk, Joseph Miami FL Akerman, Senterfitt & Eidson $344,159
$500,000 Broas, Tim Washington DC Winston & Strawn $332,987
$500,000 Friedman, David Longmont CO Sandy River Health Systems $328,584
$500,000 Brewster and Satawake, James "Wally" and Bob Chicago IL General Growth Properties/Keller Williams Realty $319,463
$500,000 Lee, Brian Los Angeles CA Legalzoom.Com $299,800
$500,000 Halpern, Daniel Atlanta GA Jackmont Hospitality $295,360
$500,000 Wagar, Kirk Coconut Grove FL Wagar, Murray & Feit $290,734
$500,000 Roche, Robert Shanghai Oak Lawn Marketing $282,359
$500,000 Carnahan, Thomas St. Louis MO Wind Capital Group $276,055
$500,000 Munoz, Henry San Antonio TX Kell Munoz Architects $264,060
$500,000 Mills and Heins, Stacey and Sam Minneapolis MN Heins, Mills & Olson $261,458
$500,000 Bernstein, Andi and Tom New York NY Chelsea Piers Management $261,080
$500,000 Solow, Alan Chicago IL DLA Piper $259,043
$500,000 Emerson, John Los Angeles CA Capital Group $258,095
$500,000 Wheeler, Tom Washington DC Core Capital Partners $237,070
$500,000 Susman, Sally New York NY Pfizer Inc $235,406
$500,000 Parekh, Deven New York NY Insight Venture Partners $226,100
$500,000 Avant and Sarandos, Nicole and Ted Beverly Hills CA Ambassador to the Bahamas/Netflix Inc $215,150
$500,000 Myers, Charles Tuxedo Park NY Evercore Partners $214,051
$500,000 Levinson, Kathy Los Altos CA LevCo Inc $202,150
$500,000 McFadden-Lawson, Mattie Los Angeles CA MML Design Group $164,750
$500,000 Keller, Janet Laguna Beach CA Consultant $162,550
$500,000 Acker and Goodman, Gerald and Barry Huntington Woods MI Goodman Acker PC $161,717
$500,000 Wintour, Anna New York NY Advance Publications $143,000
$500,000 Nichols, Mark Washington DC Wesley K Clark & Assoc $140,924
$500,000 Miller, Lee Chicago IL DLA Piper $133,150
$500,000 Raji, Azita Belvedere CA Investor $130,322
$500,000 Perry, Tyler Atlanta GA Tyler Perry Studios $106,600
$500,000 Yeneroglu, Burak Carlstadt NJ Bayrock Natural Stone $103,600
$500,000 Mamet, Noah Los Angeles CA Noah Mamet & Assoc $98,850
$500,000 Levi, Jill Chicago IL Sidley Austin LLP $98,069
$500,000 Brown, Kawanna New York NY Magic Johnson Enterprises $88,900
$500,000 Stanton, Alexandra New York NY Empire State Development $87,850
$500,000 Sherman, Bob Boston MA Greenberg Traurig LLP $87,450
$500,000 Eccles, Leni Belvedere CA Retired $85,700
$500,000 Solomon, Ken Los Angeles CA Tennis Channel $85,250
$500,000 Frank, John Bellevue WA Microsoft Corp $83,356
$500,000 Austin, JP Miami FL US Oncology $73,850
$500,000 Pishevar, Shervin Palo Alto CA Menlo Ventures $71,000
$500,000 Tookes, Paula Palm Beach Gardens FL Retired $67,250
$500,000 Barber, Rob Cambridge MA Looney & Grossman $63,183
$500,000 Harris, Karen Cape Elizabeth ME Volunteer $59,591
$500,000 Smith and Costos, Michael and James Los Angeles CA Michael S Smith Inc/HBO $54,850
$500,000 Kennedy, Lena Pasadena CA LI Kennedy & Assoc $53,950
$500,000 Perlman and Karas, Dana and Barry Los Angeles CA Perlman & Assoc $53,563
$500,000 Sepulveda, Eugene Austin TX Entrepreneurs Fdtn of Central Texas $48,900
$500,000 Ness, Susan Bethesda MD Susan Ness Strategies $41,000
$500,000 Frillman, Lou and Carol Seattle WA GVA Marquette Advisors $37,900
$500,000 Spinner, Steve Menlo Park CA Sports Potential $36,900
$500,000 DeWitt, Meredith Still River MA Meredith J Dewitt Consulting $36,108
$500,000 Spahn, Andy Los Angeles CA DreamWorks SKG $35,950
$500,000 Crumpler, John Durham NC Hatteras Venture Architects $35,300
$500,000 Hamamoto, Pam Tiburon CA Retired $30,831
$500,000 Weinstein, Andrew Coral Springs FL Weinstein Law Firm $24,273
$500,000 Bauer, Denise San Francisco CA Retired $22,855
$500,000 Buell, Justin San Francisco CA John Kerry for President $18,600
$500,000 Overton, Spencer Chevy Chase MD George Washington University Law School $17,549
$500,000 Lopez, Andres San Juan PR Law Offices of Andres W Lopez $9,900
$500,000 Parham, Michael Seattle WA RealNetworks Inc $8,925
$500,000 Saujani, Reshma New York NY New York City Public Advocate $8,901
$500,000 Emerson, Peter New York NY Consultant $8,150
$500,000 Mathis, Brian New York NY Provident Group $7,900
$500,000 Dornbush, Kirk Atlanta GA Diem Investments $7,000
$500,000 Hanson, Craig Menlo Park CA Next World Capital $5,250
$500,000 Dwyer, Carolyn Montpelier VT Welch For Congress $4,935
$500,000 Day, Justin Tampa FL Cardenas Partners $3,450
$500,000 Forester, Christine La Jolla CA Catalyst Business Marketing $2,300
$500,000 Tanner, Justin Atlanta GA City of Atlanta Mayor's Office $1,300
$500,000 Rasky, Larry Jamaica Plain MA Rasky Baerlin Strategic Communications $1,000
$500,000 Robinson, Alfreda Washington DC George Washington University $250
$500,000 Muse, Mike New York NY Muse Recordings

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/bundlers.php

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Report: Nearly 80% of Obama’s (2008) Top Bundlers Given “Key Administration Posts”

The report says that 184 out of 556, or about one third of 2008 Obama campaign “bundlers” — donors who agree to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for a campaign – “or their spouses joined the administration in some role. But the percentages are much higher for the big-dollar bundlers. Nearly 80 percent of those who collected more than $500,000 for Obama took ‘key administration posts,’ as defined by the White House.

 

[Kosmo]

Well Obama can actually raise significan amounts of money from the plebes. Romney has to rely on a rich old white men which means more dinners are necessary.

Um, you may want to peruse Obama's top bundlers list. It's essentially old white men, Wall Street, and lobbyists - as is the case for pretty much any politician.

This seems to pretty much be how most Obama supporters view him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OpgiNEyBVA&feature=youtu.be Disturbing.

 

[The Librarian]

Obama's bundlers thus far ...

I don't see how that contradicts his statement that Obama can raise a lot of money from "plebes." Also, at least Obama bothers to release information on his bundlers.

 

[benjipwns]

at least Obama bothers to release information on his bundlers.

Like in 2008 with all those small donations herp derp

 

[Chumly]

Obama's bundlers thus far ...




http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/bundlers.php

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Report: Nearly 80% of Obama’s (2008) Top Bundlers Given “Key Administration Posts”

And???? What do you think romneys would look like? At least Obama releases his.

My point still stands that Obama can raise significant amouts of money from plebes compared to romney

 

[Kosmo]

Also, at least Obama bothers to release information on his bundlers.

He does? I know above comes from Open Secrets. Serious question, where does Obama's campaign do the release?

 

[The Librarian]

He does? I know above comes from Open Secrets. Serious question, where does Obama's campaign do the release?

It's right there, Kosmo.

 

[eznark]

He does? I know above comes from Open Secrets. Serious question, where does Obama's campaign do the release?

NOTE: Federal Election Commission regulations only require disclosure of funds bundled by registered lobbyists. In 2008, both Barack Obama and John McCain agreed to disclose any bundlers who raised over $50,000 for their campaigns. Obama's re-election campaign is again disclosing those bundlers for the 2012 election. No 2012 Republican presidential candidates have agreed to voluntarily disclose their entire bundlers lists. As such, the only bundlers listed for Republican candidates are registered lobbyists.

registered lobbyists have bundled a total of $0 for Gary Johnson's presidential campaign.

Squeaky clean!

 

[cartoon_soldier]

He does? I know above comes from Open Secrets. Serious question, where does Obama's campaign do the release?

He does. http://www.barackobama.com/2012-first-quarter-volunteer-fundraisers

 

[benjipwns]

Squeaky clean!

Guess I'll have to vote for him to defeat the special interests.

 

[ToxicAdam]

I don't see how that contradicts his statement that Obama can raise a lot of money from "plebes." Also, at least Obama bothers to release information on his bundlers.

It wasn't meant as a contradiction, merely piggybacking on Kosmo's point that the "real" donors are at the higher levels.

 

[Chumly]

It wasn't meant as a contradiction, merely piggybacking on Kosmo's point that the "real" donors are at the higher levels.

So are you and kosmo suggesting we should limit these "real donors" to prevent them from having influence over campaigns?

 

[benjipwns]

So are you and kosmo suggesting we should limit these "real donors" to prevent them from having influence over campaigns?

Or we unleash free speech to empower everyone rather than the incumbents!

 

[eznark]

So are you and kosmo suggesting we should limit these "real donors" to prevent them from having influence over campaigns?

All of you seem to be suggesting that Gary Johnson is the correct person to vote for if clean campaign fund raising is something you care about.

 

[benjipwns]

All of you seem to be suggesting that Gary Johnson is the correct person to vote for if clean campaign fund raising is something you care about.

but but but but Romney might win if my vote happens to be the lone one that matters provided it's counted!

 

[Kosmo]

It's right there, Kosmo.

Thanks.

How do you get to there if you're on barackobama.com? Just fumbling through, I don't see a direct link - thought it would be Grassroots Fundraising, but not there.

 

[Chumly]

All of you seem to be suggesting that Gary Johnson is the correct person to vote for if clean campaign fund raising is something you care about.

Unfortunately we live in a world were we have to weigh each of a candidates views and while I would vote for him based off compaign spending the majority of other issues he supports I would not.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Thanks.

How do you get to there if you're on barackobama.com? Just fumbling through, I don't see a direct link - thought it would be Grassroots Fundraising, but not there.

Keep on beating that stick...

lol

 

[ToxicAdam]

So are you and kosmo suggesting we should limit these "real donors" to prevent them from having influence over campaigns?

No, I am saying it's stupid to point out at the amount of "regular guy" money when the reality is they have zero influence over either candidate. I'm guessing that was your implication by pointing out that Obama will likely outraise Romney on smaller donations.


It's important to note that Obama's ability to raise smaller donations was widely misinterpreted in 2008. One study showed that Obama's total contributions (when measured by donor by their aggregate donation) was in-line with the 2004 George W Bush campaign. About 25 percent of the total donor base.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2008/11/report-obama-di/

 

[Kosmo]

Keep on beating that stick...

lol

Seems like a straightforward question. It's good to see a candidate posting donors like that, and Romney should do the same. So seriously, where is the link to that list on the site? I could be completely blind on this.

As for personal donations, I give $0. I have zero influence, other than my vote, so why throw away money.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Seems like a straightforward question. It's good to see a candidate posting donors like that, and Romney should do the same. So seriously, where is the link to that list on the site? I could be completely blind on this.

As for personal donations, I give $0. I have zero influence, other than my vote, so why throw away money.

Its a release they do every quarter, so it is like a news release. Not a website section.

 

[Kosmo]

Its a release they do every quarter, so it is like a news release. Not a website section.

Oh ok, so it's like those sunglasses kiosks in the mall - if you know the right thing to ask, they open up the bottom drawer with the goo counterfeits/brand name stuff.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Robert Gibbs sez Obama's 100% super cereal on letting the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy expire.

Dems still acting like they can severe the wealthy cuts from the rest. Obama would have to refuse to extend the entire Bush tax cuts, let them expire ie raise everyone's taxes, then propose a middle class tax cut to replace it. I don't see republicans allowing him to do that

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

Oh ok, so it's like those sunglasses kiosks in the mall - if you know the right thing to ask, they open up the bottom drawer with the goo counterfeits/brand name stuff.

Man you really want this to look bad. Here's a hint: It doesn't.

PS - At least now I know how to do some serious sunglasses shopping.

 

[benjipwns]

Dems still acting like they can severe the wealthy cuts from the rest. Obama would have to refuse to extend the entire Bush tax cuts, let them expire ie raise everyone's taxes, then propose a middle class tax cut to replace it. I don't see republicans allowing him to do that

Two-year extension on top two brackets, permanent on rest. Does GOP take that deal?

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

How the hell do doctors get away with these costs just for scheduling an appointment? I don't have health insurance, and I'm calling around to see the cost to see a dermatologist. Many of the offices charges between $100-$400 . I ask the receptionist I just had a question about skin condition below my nose. The lady still insists it depends on what he does.

How are people suppose to know how much money to bring? Jesus Christ. I went to TampaBayMetro.com/best_doctors, and I found one dermatologist that charges $104. I'm probably gonna do that. My mother thinks I should go to a free clinic, but I really think they would just send me to see a dermatoligist. What do you guys think? Free clinic or just pay the $104 to see a derm?

 

[Kosmo]

How the hell do doctors get away with these costs just for scheduling an appointment? I don't have health insurance, and I'm calling around to see the cost to see a dermatologist. Many of the offices charges between $100-$400 . I ask the receptionist I just had a question about skin condition below my nose. The lady still insists it depends on what he does.

How are people suppose to know how much money to bring? Jesus Christ. I went to TampaBayMetro.com/best_doctors, and I found one dermatologist that charges $104. I'm probably gonna do that. My mother thinks I should go to a free clinic, but I really think they would just send me to see a dermatoligist. What do you guys think? Free clinic or just pay the $104 to see a derm?

Dermatologists are the worst - a lot of what they prescribe isn't even covered (and still won't be covered under PPPACA) because they are considered cosmetic and not a medical necessity.

What do you have, dry/red skin? Try some Psoriacin.

 

[CHEEZMO™]

How the hell do doctors get away with these costs just for scheduling an appointment? I don't have health insurance, and I'm calling around to see the cost to see a dermatologist. Many of the offices charges between $100-$400 . I ask the receptionist I just had a question about skin condition below my nose. The lady still insists it depends on what he does.

How are people suppose to know how much money to bring? Jesus Christ.

The sweet, sweet taste of freedom from medical tyranny.

 

[benjipwns]

How the hell do doctors get away with these costs just for scheduling an appointment?

Do you tell them you don't have insurance?

 

[kehs]

Robert Gibbs sez Obama's 100% super cereal on letting the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy expire.

Obama admin draws line in the sand on Bush

Election is getting XXX.

 

[Kosmo]

Dems still acting like they can severe the wealthy cuts from the rest. Obama would have to refuse to extend the entire Bush tax cuts, let them expire ie raise everyone's taxes, then propose a middle class tax cut to replace it. I don't see republicans allowing him to do that

Just to be clear, we're talking about extending the Obama tax cuts, right? Once he extended them the first time, they are no longer the Bush tax cuts.

 

[Blergmeister]

Just to be clear, we're talking about extending the Obama tax cuts, right? Once he extended them the first time, they are no longer the Bush tax cuts.

Just to be clear, are you for extending these tax cuts? For everyone or just for high income earners? Or not for extending it at all?

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Do you tell them you don't have insurance?

Yeah, I ask them how much would it cost to schedule an appointment if I don't have insurance.

Eh, I guess I'll try the free clinic first. If they can't help, then I'll try the doc that charges $100.

 

[AlteredBeast]

End all the tax cuts.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Obama campaign raises only 71 million. Trails Romney on Cash on Hand too now.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/07/09/obama_fundraising_seriously_trails_romney.html

 

[Blergmeister]

End all the tax cuts.

I'm specifically asking Kosmo. It confuses me since he routinely attacks Obama from the Left but seems to support the right in terms of who he wants to elect. That is why I always try to ask him of which policies he would prefer being enacted.

 

[Kosmo]

Just to be clear, are you for extending these tax cuts? For everyone or just for high income earners? Or not for extending it at all?

I'm for extending them and establishing a simpler federal income tax system - even if that means higher rates on higher incomes. What I hate is a large portion of the electorate paying nothing in federal income taxes and then whining about the people actually paying taxes. It can be as simple as 15% on everything up to $200K and 25% over that (just throwing those out as examples). Clean and simple. The question is, how much spine does Obama have to let them expire - I'm guessing very little.

I find this the worst type of politics - you'll have the President out there shouting that a full extension will give top earners a $66,000 tax cut, while the bottom 20% will only get $107. Well, if that is so deplorable, then man up and say we cannot afford to extend the tax cuts and while that means the bottom 20% will have a $107 increase, it will help the federal coffers by top earners paying an extra $66,000 a year.