SonicMegaDrive
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Well, that doesn't surprise me.
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Well, that doesn't surprise me.
Everytime I think about that movie, all I recall is how horrid the Goblin armor looks. Then I happen upon it on TNT or whatever and remember that it's actually very good.
I have very mixed feelings about this. My thoughts aren't fully formed but here are my quick reactions:
+The webslinging was gorgeous and in general I loved the transition from the skateboarding into parkour stuff into full fledged spider-man action. I don't know if the skateboarding has ever been shown in the comics in that way, but it did a lot to justify his more acrobatic and flamboyant actions once he became Spider-Man. I was very happy for every second of "masked" Spider-man action.
+I loved all the stuff with the webs. I thought the explanation of the mechanical webslingers was well done and I liked the depiction of the "expanded web powers" (I don't know how to better articulate that) drawing on a lot of the more unorthodox actions from the comics. I think they raised the bar for the depiction of superpowers in a realistic setting with this. I will look forward to seeing the gifs for years to come.
+I liked the transition from teenager into vigilante into Spider-man and I thought that was handled much better and more naturally than in the Raimi film.
+I loved the Oscorp building.
-Martin Sheen looked weird. Specifically he had weird old man teeth and his hair was oddly coiffed. Aside from that I liked how they dealt with the Uncle Ben character.
-distractingly bad CG lizards and spiders. The lizards were entirely unnecessary and I'm pretty positive that lizards like that can't survive in New York's climate.
[spoiler-Odd moments seemed to have been edited out or otherwise there were weird gaps in the script. Wasn't there supposed to be an action sequence involving swat lizards?[/spoiler]
-Too many "acting" moments in which actors sort of mugged for the camera without dialog. I will look forward to someone editing together a supercut of closeups of Garfield's face while he is sort of twitching without talking. Also the pace of the movie was too frequently interrupted by unnecessary dialog.
-Unsuccessful tonal shifts. This is always an inherent challenge with superhero movies but I was bothered here more than usual. The first 20 minutes were fairly realistic and Nolan-like.
-Have the stakes ever been lower in a superhero movie? I know The Avengers probably set a high bar earlier this summer, but is a single lizard man really that scary?
That said it was visually glorious.
-Too much Gwen Stacy. She kept popping up unnecessarily. The scene with the lizard in the school was the most grievous example. It sort of makes me wonder if they will try to make her into the black cat in one of the sequels.
+The webslinging was gorgeous and in general I loved the transition from the skateboarding into parkour stuff into full fledged spider-man action. I don't know if the skateboarding has ever been shown in the comics in that way, but it did a lot to justify his more acrobatic and flamboyant actions once he became Spider-Man. I was very happy for every second of "masked" Spider-man action.
+I loved all the stuff with the webs. I thought the explanation of the mechanical webslingers was well done and I liked the depiction of the "expanded web powers" (I don't know how to better articulate that) drawing on a lot of the more unorthodox actions from the comics. I think they raised the bar for the depiction of superpowers in a realistic setting with this. I will look forward to seeing the gifs for years to come.
+I liked the transition from teenager into vigilante into Spider-man and I thought that was handled much better and more naturally than in the Raimi film.
+I loved the Oscorp building.
-Martin Sheen looked weird. Specifically he had weird old man teeth and his hair was oddly coiffed. Aside from that I liked how they dealt with the Uncle Ben character.
-distractingly bad CG lizards and spiders. The lizards were entirely unnecessary and I'm pretty positive that lizards like that can't survive in New York's climate.
The scene in which Garfield was trying to shake off the spiders was cringe inducing. I can't believe they left that in the final cut.
[spoiler-Odd moments seemed to have been edited out or otherwise there were weird gaps in the script. Wasn't there supposed to be an action sequence involving swat lizards?[/spoiler]
-Too many "acting" moments in which actors sort of mugged for the camera without dialog. I will look forward to someone editing together a supercut of closeups of Garfield's face while he is sort of twitching without talking. Also the pace of the movie was too frequently interrupted by unnecessary dialog.
The kid in the burning car comes to mind.
-Unsuccessful tonal shifts. This is always an inherent challenge with superhero movies but I was bothered here more than usual. The first 20 minutes were fairly realistic and Nolan-like.
I specifically enjoyed the scene in which Parker and Connors discussed genetic combination and Parker impresses him with his knowledge of Parkinson's and in the process helps to ground the science of the film in reality. That is all thrown in the trash 15 minutes later when they show the holographic medical trials on the mice. It got even worse as the movie progressed with Connor's sewer lab and the ridiculous finale in which he plotted to turn some of Manhattan's citizens into lizards.
-Have the stakes ever been lower in a superhero movie? I know The Avengers probably set a high bar earlier this summer, but is a single lizard man really that scary?
-The crane sequence did not make -any- sense. Would the mechanics of his swinging really be that obvious to those blue collar workers?
-Too much Gwen Stacy. She kept popping up unnecessarily. The scene with the lizard in the school was the most grievous example. It sort of makes me wonder if they will try to make her into the black cat in one of the sequels.
Oh, two questions:
1) Why did they keep saying "ganali device" over and over again? It was obvious from the scene in which it was introduced that they were foreshadowing the climax, but why did they keep saying quote "ganali device"? Is that a specific reference?
2) No one has figured out the credits scene, right? Are there any best guesses? It would seem to be a no brainier that it would be Norman Osborn but he has never had powers like that as far as I know.
2) No one has figured out the credits scene, right? Are there any best guesses? It would seem to be a no brainier that it would be Norman Osborn but he has never had powers like that as far as I know.
planar1280
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Tom Cody you better spoiler some of that stuff
He also already sort of knew Peter was SM, as Stacy's hobby was investigating/admiring SM (esp. physiologically) and not going after him. I think they went this route instead simply because she already knows who he is. They could've made him say something like 'protect her', but it's logical for him to realize that the best way to protect her is to stay away from him..
Grassclipper
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Nah she found out back in 2001 or so. Aunt May was a pathetic character for the first hundred issues or so.
Mysterio
Oh gawd :lol. I'd lose my shit.
We don't know yet. Could be Norman, could be Vulture, could be a figment of Conners' imagination, could even be Mysterio. In all honesty, I don't even think they know who it is yet.
It's vague with carrying visual cues for a reason; so they can easily explain it away depending on what they go with for ASM2.
Sorry guys. To the extent that I've been reading the thread I thought all of that stuff was fair-game for discussion at this point.
Zoe
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It's never really fair game in general movie threads.
SonicMegaDrive
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Ah, you mean Ultimate Spidey. I never read any of that. I was referring to an issue from the early 90's from the original run where Aunt May reveals that she knew all along(which was apparently retconned according to a poster above - go figure).
"always" is wrong and they even retconned it like someone already said.
If Gwen is turning into black cat I'll burn Sony down.
And I also don't like this whole argumentation "it seemed realistic this way", damn I don't watch Spider-Man to see some realistic stuff.
After Avengers the biggest let down of a superhero movie since Superman Returns.
Wait what?
Banana Kid
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She also found out during JMS's run on Amazing, but that was retconned away after One More Day.
So it's gone back and forth for a while now.
Wait a sec....Around the time I stopped reading comics was when they killed Aunt May. I think it was issue #400 or so. It had a gravestone over the cover. I remember reading that and feeling so sad that I actually cried. First time a comic book ever did that to me.
Is that what they retconned? That never happened?
Is that what they retconned? That never happened?
The Anti-Monitor
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The story behind that is so fucking stupid, it almost matches Clone Saga. I'd say it surpasses it, but it wasn't as long.
Let's just say it involves an actress.
Salvor.Hardin
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Clone Saga haters be damned. That shit was bananas. Interestingly, I believe Amazing Spider-Mna 400 was the the issue that kicked off the Clone Saga.
I thought that might be confusing. First off, I mean expanded in the sense of capabilities, not screen time. A few quick examples:
-Using webbing as a bandage
-Using webbing to muzzle the lizard and the restrain the car thief
-Launching himself like a cannon by spring loading two webs
-Building the "trip wire" system in the sewer
I'm sure there are more but those are the ones that come to mind. I haven't re-watched the Raimi trilogy recently, but those all seemed new to film to me.
-Using webbing as a bandage
-Using webbing to muzzle the lizard and the restrain the car thief
-Launching himself like a cannon by spring loading two webs
-Building the "trip wire" system in the sewer
I'm sure there are more but those are the ones that come to mind. I haven't re-watched the Raimi trilogy recently, but those all seemed new to film to me.
SonicMegaDrive
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Well it was right at around the time I stopped reading comics in the mid-90's.
The issue is so good, I'm going to just ignore that retcon.
Millions of people around the world disagree with you.
Wow. I actually kinda feel pissed off about this. Maybe its a good thing I stopped reading at the time.
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this probably the "safest" action comic movie i've seen. Too safe.
It was a good move, all boxes checked but it felt so....ok.
It was a good move, all boxes checked but it felt so....ok.
Yeah, I swear I heard it in the animated series before the film. Maybe Spidey 1 is warping my memory.
I was totally expecting it
during the voicemail at the end.
And now? I don't change my opinion because of this. And maybe I wrote it wrong was confused, English isn't my native language. I meant after the release of Avengers(which was great) this is the worst Superhero movie SINCE Superman Returns. Maybe this is more approved?
And to the comic strip, yeah I remember it, but if you compare it to the May in the really early comics there is no way she knew it back there ..
And you know w hat? They retconned this issue, he revealed it again to her and again retconned it. typical Marvel
I thought the Peter/Harry fight in the mansion in SM3 was pretty brutal.
He did know in the comics, Parker just didn't know that he knew, but regardless, it's quite different than the approach the film took, which is absolutely fine; I feel the movie makes Spider-man out to be more of a prick, which no regard to the wishes of others.
And again, that's fine. It's interesting, actually. Frankly he's a superhero that if I were a parent I wouldn't want my kid looking up to after watching this movie, and I think that decision is deliberate.
Who knows why, but I blame Sony. Fuck me, I wanna see that alternate version gaddamit!
SonicMegaDrive
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The movie was pretty safe, but I pray that's only so they can escalate things up a few notches in the sequels.
U seem to b under the impression that if u see a movie, then u automatically like it. For all u know 90% of the viewers hated it.
The music and Tobey Maguire kind of ruined that fight for me.
Welcome to comic books. The only entertainment medium that can fuck up decades of history and lore overnight. :|
I'm so confused right now. tf
Grassclipper
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Nah I meant regular Spider-Man, there was this big issue in the beginning of JMS' run where she found out he was Spider-Man.
Well it was right at around the time I stopped reading comics in the mid-90's.
The issue is so good, I'm going to just ignore that retcon.
And that just makes me confused. Never read that issue. Can someone explain how this ties togheter with with the reveal a couple of years later?
The dialog ruined that fight.
Banana Kid
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Aunt May died in the 90's, then a while later it was revealed that it was all a scheme by the Green Goblin involving an actress plastic surgeried to look like May who posed as her so she could die just to fuck with Peter. Then the real May came back and didn't know he was Spider-Man and everything went back to normal.
COMICS, EVERYBODY
SonicMegaDrive
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Close as I can figure, the Aunt May that died in that issue that you see there was a clone/actress/skrull. And the Aunt May that figured out that Pete was Spidey in the 2000's was in fact her, but had her mind erased or had history erased...or something really convoluted and stupid like that.
Comic books. Yeah.
Basically, anytime the status quo changes in a mainstream comic book, you can expect it to be 'retconned' at some point. And that's one reason why I stopped reading the damned things.
TheKaeptain
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Marvel really likes to fuck with Peter in the comics. It's like they hate him.
man, comic books are so terrible, I dont understand how people like to read them
Lol, why not just kill the real Aunt May? Why hire an actress? And where was the real Aunt May?
He's entitled to his opinion, I was just being snarky.
For what its worth I loved both TA and SR.
SonicMegaDrive
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No worse than comic book movies, really. And they're honestly better than the stories people seem to enjoy 'playing' in video games.
Good Job Bob
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What amazes me is how comic nerds piss and moan about movies not being "faithful" to the comics when the comics aren't even "faithful" to themselves.
Because they'll have some fantastic story arcs. You just have to be okay with the fact it could very well mean nothing in a few years. Or months.
Grassclipper
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BenjaminBirdie
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Really? I thought from the trailers there'd be a bunch of cheap scare Lizard jumping in out of nowhere bullshit. Kind of why I've been avoiding it.
SonicMegaDrive
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I just view each creative team's run on a comic as it's own little continuity and don't try to piece all that shit together.
Banana Kid
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Because Osborn was holding her hostage for...some reason? It was dumb.
AgentChris
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Netflix streamming has the 1994 Spider-Man series. I'm going to watch that this entire summer. I need more Spidey.
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