What about Gwen and Norman Osborn?
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I hated that story so much. I love Gwen as a character more than MJ and if the idiot writers go for this in ASM2, I will be one pissed of dude.
Gaming-Ryu
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Mini Review:
The movie is pretty good and enjoyable. A bit too predictable as it is a retelling of the origin story, but that's okay as I like origin stories. It's just a shame that they decided to throw away the untold origin part that would have given the movie and its characters a much fresher look.
Big pluses to the advanced CGI that makes Spider-Man moves very realistically but at the same time very spider-like, it makes the actions scenes and web-slinging very thrilling. This is the part that's done much better here than the trilogy. On the other hand, the Lizard is very bad and generic looking, which, coincidentally, pretty much describe his character as well.
Other characters, while not written with a hugh amount of depths, are pretty good to decent, and have very good chemistry together, especially Peter-Gwen. However I will say that some character developments felt too rush to be totally believable, for example, Peter-Gwen and Flash.
While I thought the flow and tone of the film are fine, there were some moments that took me out of the movie, such as when Peter doing his crazy slam dunk and then breaking the goal post with a football, and of course the very contrived crane scene.
Having recently rewatched Raimi's trilogy, I'll say that his films has a more distinct tone and style (a bit campy) which may not be to everyone's liking, as evident with some people's reactions here. Webb's style on the other hand is more neutral and grounded, which some say is grittier while, perhaps, some see as generic.
In terms of Spidey himself, Tobey/Andrew are both good as Spider-Man. Garfield is perhaps better and more youthful looking with a more Spider-Man like physique, thus more suitable/believable. But their characterizations is different enough that I don't think you have to hate one in order to like the other.
Overall, this is a decently made summer movie, may be just a little too generic in its executions. The movie is about a 7 to me.
The movie is pretty good and enjoyable. A bit too predictable as it is a retelling of the origin story, but that's okay as I like origin stories. It's just a shame that they decided to throw away the untold origin part that would have given the movie and its characters a much fresher look.
Big pluses to the advanced CGI that makes Spider-Man moves very realistically but at the same time very spider-like, it makes the actions scenes and web-slinging very thrilling. This is the part that's done much better here than the trilogy. On the other hand, the Lizard is very bad and generic looking, which, coincidentally, pretty much describe his character as well.
Other characters, while not written with a hugh amount of depths, are pretty good to decent, and have very good chemistry together, especially Peter-Gwen. However I will say that some character developments felt too rush to be totally believable, for example, Peter-Gwen and Flash.
While I thought the flow and tone of the film are fine, there were some moments that took me out of the movie, such as when Peter doing his crazy slam dunk and then breaking the goal post with a football, and of course the very contrived crane scene.
Having recently rewatched Raimi's trilogy, I'll say that his films has a more distinct tone and style (a bit campy) which may not be to everyone's liking, as evident with some people's reactions here. Webb's style on the other hand is more neutral and grounded, which some say is grittier while, perhaps, some see as generic.
In terms of Spidey himself, Tobey/Andrew are both good as Spider-Man. Garfield is perhaps better and more youthful looking with a more Spider-Man like physique, thus more suitable/believable. But their characterizations is different enough that I don't think you have to hate one in order to like the other.
Overall, this is a decently made summer movie, may be just a little too generic in its executions. The movie is about a 7 to me.
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BattleMonkey
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Gwen was an awful waste of a character in the original universe, don't see why anyone cared. All she ever did was cry and nag. Her death was the highlight of Gwen's life in the Spiderverse. Gwen only had a personality or was of any interest in later incarnations of the Spiderverse.
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ViewtifulJC
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The best thing Gwen Stacy has going for her is the fact that she died. Everyone can remember how great and perfect she is, instead of the real whiny bore she was when she was alive.
BattleMonkey
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I hadn't read that part of it.Wat.
They had Goblin blood, so they were enhanced twins who aged faster than normal and learn about their past. They come back as a pair of Goblins after Spiderman and basically dissapear to never be seen again.
*internet high five*
She was a horribly boring character who never did anything but cause Peter trouble and grief.
Raitosaito
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What about Gwen and Norman Osborn?
This was suppose to be written out of the continuity. Too bad Quesada is an idiot.
I hadn't read that part of it.Wat.
It gets worse.
That isn't' Gwen Spider-Man is kissing, its her daughter Sarah.
It gets worse.
That isn't' Gwen Spider-Man is kissing, its her daughter Sarah.
Comics.
Good Job Bob
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That's no worse than Capt. banging Peggy's younger sister/niece.
Okay, it's a little worse
ThatObviousUser
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"Suppose to?" It wasn't?!
Whoever was responsible for all that shit needs to quit or die in a fire. Preferably the latter.
[edit] FUUUU why'd you have to quote that on the first post of the new page. xddd
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zomgbbqftw
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Me too.
ThatObviousUser
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Batman's usually pretty good. I can't think of anything in Batman like what's been posted in the last few pages... And they usually don't retcon things either. Barbara was paralyzed for like 23 years. Which is pretty unheard of. New 52 "undoes" it but I believe she it's still part of her character that she was paralyzed for a while.
Of course I say all that and the most recent issue (of Batman (series)) has a DRAMATIC TWIST REVEAL with a bad guy being related to Bruce, but it was great up until that and I'm sure Scott Snyder's writing will make the twist pay off... somehow.
Good Job Bob
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I haven't actually read it, but isn't the *USM spoilers*
in USM pretty damn anti-climatic for such an iconic character?
death of Spider-Man
Phoenician_Viking
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ThatObviousUser
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He pretty much just dies in the middle of half a dozen subplots so Marvel can push NEW-SPIDEY. But by then the Ultimate universe had become so tainted no one really cared.
According to one of the writers or something they justified the "sudden" death by saying "Welp, that's life. People die in the middle of things all the time."
Grassclipper
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It gets worse.
That isn't' Gwen Spider-Man is kissing, its her daughter Sarah.
The fuck? When was this? If the writers wanted to bring up the whole Norman-Gwen thing again they could easily just say that he drugged her or something.
But still I have to agree, the original Gwen did nothing but constantly whine. Even back then MJ was the superior character.
EDIT: Isn't Sarah like ten or something?
It gets worse.
That isn't' Gwen Spider-Man is kissing, its her daughter Sarah.
But... how is she an adult and Spidey isn't an old man?
Let's ask Wikipedia:
...Oh.
See You Next Wednesday
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Everyone do yourself a favor & watch the 1981 cartoon version, it's also on Netflix. It's the definite version.
Some of the action isn't as well articulated like with later adaptations, but it's definitely the best written Spider-Man cartoon & captures Spider-man/Peter Parker perfectly, better than all the rest.
ViewtifulJC
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I read Sins Remembered back in like, '05 or whatever. THat was one of those stories everybody collectively looked at each other, nodded their heads, and mutally understood we would never speak of it again
It gets worse.
That isn't' Gwen Spider-Man is kissing, its her daughter Sarah.
That never actually happened though iirc, it was just on the cover
I don't know, I actually liked it tbh. It made sense with what was going on with the Ultimates/Avengers and all that. Very chaotic and whatnot. The aftermath was the best part imo.
It gets worse.
That isn't' Gwen Spider-Man is kissing, its her daughter Sarah.
Jesus Christ. I will never understand what Marvel does with Spider-man.
ViewtifulJC
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Yeah, I think you're right. Still, how tonedeaf and stupid can you be?
I tend to focus on the good comics, like that time Spider-man beat The Red Ghost and his Super Apes by distracting them with Delicious Fruit Pies (and the tasty fruit filling)
BattleMonkey
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And? People get invested in a character and franchise and it really bothers them when shit like this happens. There are years of bad arcs and awful stories for SM. Lot of people don't take arcs of comic books and just have them living in these little bubbles where years of other nonsense didn't happen.
It bothers me too, but to the majority of people in here who don't read comics, it makes them look like a total clusterfuck of idiocy as if those arcs are the majority..
BattleMonkey
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It's more to do with generally mediocre writing in general for comic books, and then there being countless awful arcs happening in comic books. It's no different how a TV show or Movie franchise goes to shit for fans because of some singular event to happen. The pure good stuff is rare and far between and the bad in comics is often REALLY bad that it's just laughable. It often doesn't seem so bat shit crazy when you read these month to month but when you have someone just read synopsis or try to explain it to someone? Can't blame them for how awful this all sounds.
And for Spiderman hes had several years of awful arcs. The whole JMS era into OMD was several years of bad... the clone Saga nonsense.... it really stands out when you have so much bad over such a long period of time.
ViewtifulJC
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Superhero comics are inherently goofy as shit. You're talking about a guy who gets bit by a radioactive spider and now has the ability to climb on walls, and he fights giant lizard people and guys with alien symboites attached to them. It's a weird balancing act of trying to keep them the fun kind of stupid instead of the brain-hurting kind of stupid.
Spider-Man has a LOT of comics. Thousands of them, written and drawn by hundreds of different people over the past 50 years. Inevitably, most of them will be mediocre. Plenty of them will be bad. Plenty of them will be good. That's usually how it goes for any entertainment medium, filled with that many voices.
Spider-Man has a LOT of comics. Thousands of them, written and drawn by hundreds of different people over the past 50 years. Inevitably, most of them will be mediocre. Plenty of them will be bad. Plenty of them will be good. That's usually how it goes for any entertainment medium, filled with that many voices.
base shagohod
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Watching it in IMAX in a few hours.
I am excite
I am excite
ha! can't believe you made me watch this! this is awful lol
Escape Goat
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God, that one movie I just saw was awful. I'm giving up ALL movies.
Good call!
Good call!
They're for children anyway!
See You Next Wednesday
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Sucks for you, it definitely has the best on-screen representation of Spider-Man, way better than this movie for sure.
Light hearted, charming & comedic. Everything from the 60's to present that made Spider-Man Marvels most popular franchise. Even in Sam Raimi's film's, JJJ was precisely based off of the carton version.
The action scenes were not so good, but some of the stuff was passable.
TheKaeptain
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Just saw it. Infinitely better than the previous 3 Spiderman films thanks to Tobey Macguire and Kirsten Dunst not shitting up the entire film.
But to be more reasonable: I think it's a better film than the other 3, but that ain't saying much as they were forgettable (3 was offensive though). This one is still safe as summer blockbusters and comic book adaptations can get, but at least it achieves what it intends to do: Be a popcorn Hollywood film, and better than the three earlier entries. Also, Andrew Garfield is much more likeable as Spiderman than what I imagined.
But to be more reasonable: I think it's a better film than the other 3, but that ain't saying much as they were forgettable (3 was offensive though). This one is still safe as summer blockbusters and comic book adaptations can get, but at least it achieves what it intends to do: Be a popcorn Hollywood film, and better than the three earlier entries. Also, Andrew Garfield is much more likeable as Spiderman than what I imagined.
Hasphat'sAnts
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Could Garfield and Stone make it any more obvious that they're banging? Like seriously, what the hell?
Wasn't as good as Spider Man 2, but I didn't expect it to be either. Wished there was more Aunt May stuff though, that last bit with
didn't feel earned.
I like Andrew Garfield a lot, but I'm pretty sure he'd be the most popular dude at any high school he went to. Tobey was at least believable.
Wasn't as good as Spider Man 2, but I didn't expect it to be either. Wished there was more Aunt May stuff though, that last bit with
the eggs
I like Andrew Garfield a lot, but I'm pretty sure he'd be the most popular dude at any high school he went to. Tobey was at least believable.
Auron_Kale
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Saw this on Saturday.
I liked it more than SM1 & SM3, but it's still below SM2.
Andrew Garfield had a lot more of the awkward charm than Tobey Maguire did as Peter. Emma Stone as Gwen was adorable and way better than Kirsten Dunst's Mary Jane, especially during her interactions with Peter (the hallway scene comes to mind as a highlight strangely).
There were some, "ugh, really?" moments for me but overall, ASM has a lot of promise.
I liked it more than SM1 & SM3, but it's still below SM2.
Andrew Garfield had a lot more of the awkward charm than Tobey Maguire did as Peter. Emma Stone as Gwen was adorable and way better than Kirsten Dunst's Mary Jane, especially during her interactions with Peter (the hallway scene comes to mind as a highlight strangely).
There were some, "ugh, really?" moments for me but overall, ASM has a lot of promise.
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