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Kosmo said:
LOL Dennis Miller:
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miss u :(
 
I listened to the Romney speech to the NAACP. I hate Romney as much as you guys, but that was a pretty solid speech. He even got a bunch of applause at different points. His closing statement I thought was rhetorically excellent and seemed well received.

Media doing it's thing of picking out the most extreme reactions in order to create a story but it really didn't seem very controversial to me.


So...any joke about women is misogynistic? That's about as innocuous as it gets.
 
eznark said:
So...any joke about women is misogynistic?
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oooh it was a joooke, sorry Dennis...


as for Romney's speech, the media, you mean like Morning Joe? splooging all over the same facts you mentioned, or Joe Kern on CNBC saying what a great speech it was and what guts it shows. Like he's walking through a bad neighborhood or smth....

Also saying "Obamacare" and not something else was definitely a dog whistle.

Romney could've used a jive translator

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I heard a statistic, something like Romney getting just 5% of the Black vote would guarantee his victory...
 
"lol women aren't smart enough to vote Republican" is pretty condescending whether or not it's a joke.

Whatever. Dennis Miller isn't worth caring about.
 
Tim-E said:
"lol women aren't smart enough to vote Republican" is pretty condescending whether or not it's a joke.

Whatever. Dennis Miller isn't worth caring about.
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The worst is watching him and O'Reilly yuck it up together, fart sniffing via satellite. Two rich, old, white, has-beens, complaining about "class warfare".
 
codhand said:
oooh it was a joooke, sorry Dennis...


as for Romney's speech, the media, you mean like Morning Joe? splooging all over the same facts you mentioned, or Joe Kern on CNBC saying what a great speech it was and what guts it shows. Like he's walking through a bad neighborhood or smth....

Also saying "Obamacare" and not something else was definitely a dog whistle.

Romney could've used a jive translator

http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/images/11/2008/07/jive.jpg[/IMG[/QUOTE]

Yeah, he should've done that condescending pandering and dropped his g's like the Clinton's.

I was specifically speaking to the choices the networks made when airing clips of the speech. There were a number of applause lines, which was stunning to me. I figured the best he could hope for is stone cold silence throughout.

This is the most batshit insane interpretation of the speech I've read so far:

[url]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/12/michael-tomasky-on-mitt-romney-the-race-baiter-at-the-naacp.html[/url]
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eznark said:
Yeah, he should've done that condescending pandering and dropped his g's like the Clinton's.

I was specifically speaking to the choices the networks made when airing clips of the speech. There were a number of applause lines, which was stunning to me. I figured the best he could hope for is stone cold silence throughout.

This is the most batshit insane interpretation of the speech I've read so far:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...mitt-romney-the-race-baiter-at-the-naacp.html
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The first paragraph seems pretty spot on based on what I've seen. Not sure about the rage mongering thing, but the rest seems to be pretty dead on based on what Romney has shown.

"Until yesterday, I thought of Mitt Romney as a spineless, disingenuous, and supercilious but more or less decently intentioned person who at least wasn’t the race-mongering pyromaniac that some other Republican candidates of my lifetime have been. Then he gave his speech to the NAACP, and now I think of him as a spineless, disingenuous, supercilious, race-mongering pyromaniac who is very poorly intentioned indeed, and woe to us if this man sets foot in the White House as anything but a tourist."
 
Tim-E said:
Misogyny sure is hilarious!
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The simple reason right wing comics aren't funny, is that political comedy is about speaking truth to power. When comedians defend the institutions of power, money, corporate politics etc, it can't be funny. This is why Miller IS occasionally amusing when attacking Obama, but otherwise sucks balls and has done since 9/11, which was his moment of conversion from annoying snark to full retard.
 
RoninChaos said:
The first paragraph seems pretty spot on based on what I've seen. Not sure about the rage mongering thing, but the rest seems to be pretty dead on based on what Romney has shown.

"Until yesterday, I thought of Mitt Romney as a spineless, disingenuous, and supercilious but more or less decently intentioned person who at least wasn’t the race-mongering pyromaniac that some other Republican candidates of my lifetime have been. Then he gave his speech to the NAACP, and now I think of him as a spineless, disingenuous, supercilious, race-mongering pyromaniac who is very poorly intentioned indeed, and woe to us if this man sets foot in the White House as anything but a tourist."
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I refuse to believe anyone with a shred of intelligence could watch that speech and call say it was race baiting flame throwing. That's ludicrous.

As far as Obamacare, two weeks ago we were all in agreement that it's a good work for Obama to embrace!
 
RoninChaos said:
The first paragraph seems pretty spot on based on what I've seen. Not sure about the rage mongering thing, but the rest seems to be pretty dead on based on what Romney has shown.

"Until yesterday, I thought of Mitt Romney as a spineless, disingenuous, and supercilious but more or less decently intentioned person who at least wasn’t the race-mongering pyromaniac that some other Republican candidates of my lifetime have been. Then he gave his speech to the NAACP, and now I think of him as a spineless, disingenuous, supercilious, race-mongering pyromaniac who is very poorly intentioned indeed, and woe to us if this man sets foot in the White House as anything but a tourist."
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Romney's people are atrocious for letting him make that speech to that audience, unless their actual intention was to rile up their existing or extended racist base. The audience booed when he said Obamacare, not because they disagreed with his views on the subject, but because IT IS NOT CALLED FUCKING OBAMACARE. Using right wing dog whistles and buzz terms in that audience, which is understandably PROUD of the FIRST FUCKING GODDAMNED BLACK PRESIDENT is going to cause boos.

How could ANY speechwriter worth tuppence ha'penny not see this?
 
eznark said:
I refuse to believe anyone with a shred of intelligence could watch that speech and call say it was race baiting flame throwing. That's ludicrous.

As far as Obamacare, two weeks ago we were all in agreement that it's a good work for Obama to embrace!
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that was 2 weeks ago! We were talking about good news then!
 
Tim-E said:
Misogyny sure is hilarious!
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Misogyny?
Over this joke?
Really?

Is that really different than "LOL, old people got confused and voted for Bush" jokes circa 2000?

Also please, let's not blow our outrage load over terrible insults like "having bad taste in men".
 
eznark said:
I was specifically speaking to the choices the networks made when airing clips of the speech.
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I mean, it (the booing) was the best, most interesting part of the event. If it plays into Mitt's stereotype, expect it to get airtime, if not, well it's gonna be a nauseating four months for you.
 
Kosmo said:
LOL Dennis Miller:

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreil...moting-class-warfare-again/?playlist_id=86923

Bill: "I'm not putting too much stock in polls right now, but American women are supporting the President, and that's kind of surprising."
Dennis: "Yeah, well young single women always have bad taste in men, don't they?"

ZING
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It's not really a Zing unless you shake your hair and say it in a faux-sarcastic nasally tone. Wasn't his schtick already old in the 80s?
 
teruterubozu said:
It's not really Zing unless you shake your head and say it in a faux-sarcastic nasally tone. Wasn't his schtick already old in the 80s?
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He was one of the best if not the best anchor for SNL, he pratically invented it. But yeah, I mean he sucks now, so it's best to move on.
 
I listened to Dennis Miller's radio show once. It was probably the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard.

That said, he was rad on MNF. 9/11 killed him.

codhand said:
I mean, it (the booing) was the best, most interesting part of the event. If it plays into Mitt's stereotype, expect it to get airtime, if not, well it's gonna be a nauseating four months for you.
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Yeah, that was interesting and deserved coverage. I thought it was equally interesting that he was able to get a number of applause lines (specifically the education stuff) from the NAACP crowd.

Boos are predictable, applause? Kind of astounding.
 
Chichikov said:
Misogyny?
Over this joke?
Really?

Is that really different than "LOL, old people got confused and voted for Bush" jokes circa 2000?

Also please, let's not blow our outrage load over terrible insults like "having bad taste in men".
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I wouldn't personally have called it that, but it's certainly the exact same ballpark as "lol women drivers." i.e., not funny.

And if they didn't have bad taste in men, he'd be coing up dry.
 
Let me guess--Dennis and Bill's category of "women with bad taste in men" has a big overlap with the subset "women who won't sleep with me because of my money."
 
codhand said:
But why the sudden honesty kick? Prolly the one time he should've fibbed or stayed home, instead he used it as an indirect red meat missle.
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What could he possibly gain by pandering and groveling at the feet of the NAACP? The one thing people are grasping at is that his race-baiting hateful speech contained the word Obamacare. Like I said, content wise it was a solid speech. The one thing Tomasky got right is that this was a more confident and consistent Romney than anyone expected. Maybe he's going to pretend he has a political backbone?

Not many people mentioning that he got some nice applause when he said he'd protect the traditional family.
 
eznark said:
He was awesome on MNF.
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Freedom of speech does not grant you the right to say the Dennis Miller was great on MNF.
Lines has to be drawn.
Democracy has to defend itself.

eznark said:
Plus, I doubt he's ever been more financially successful than he is now. Tons of money in radio syndication and books.
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And here's your problem
He went from a comedian with conservative leanings, to a professional conservative comedian.


KingGondo said:
Let me guess--Dennis and Bill's category of "women with bad taste in men" has a big overlap with the subset "women who won't sleep with me because of my money."
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I think the joke is that they're single, i.e. hasn't find a ma... ugh, am I really explaining Dennis Miller jokes?
Fuck, I need to reevaluate my life choices.
 
Chichikov said:
Freedom of speech does not grant you the right to say the Dennis Miller was great on MNF.
Lines has to be drawn.
Democracy has to defend itself.

And here's your problem
He went from a comedian with conservative leanings, to a professional conservative comedian.
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Tony Kornheiser or Dennis Miller, you must choose!
 
Chichikov said:
Freedom of speech does not grant you the right to say the Dennis Miller was great on MNF.
Lines has to be drawn.
Democracy has to defend itself.

And here's your problem
He went from a comedian with conservative leanings, to a professional conservative comedian.
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In eznark's America the only MNF team allowed will be Colinsworth, Mayock and Miller.

Your second point is almost there. He didn't just become a professional conservative comedian, he became a professional Republican comedian. I can respect someone sticking to principals, Miller is just a political hack.
 
Romney: NAACP Booers were 'Freeloaders'
Mitt Romney has found a new spin for the resounding chorus of boos he triggered at the NAACP on Wednesday. At a fundraiser in Montana that night, Romney boasted about the boos to a very different crowd, saying: “If they want more stuff from the government, tell them to go vote for the other guy–more free stuff. But don’t forget nothing is really free.”

Given Romney’s fraught history with the organization–Mother Jones reported yesterday on his antagonistic relationship with the Boston NAACP while governor–invoking the “welfare queen” stereotype against NAACP members who support Obamacare is tone deaf, if not a deliberate attempt to stoke conservative resentment against so-called government freeloaders.

The “free stuff” comment is a mantra Romney uses often. Just last month, in a speech to the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials (NALEO), Romney scoffed, “Everybody likes free stuff, but there is no free stuff.”
The Rachel Maddow Blog cites several more examples:

A few months ago, for example, the GOP presidential hopeful responded to questions about contraception access by saying, “If you’re looking for free stuff you don’t have to pay for, vote for the other guy.” Soon after, Romney complained that Obama is trying to buy students’ political support by offering them “free stuff.”

There is a pattern to this. If you’re a woman who wants access to preventive care you might not otherwise be able to afford, Romney sees you as wanting “free stuff.” If you’re a young student who can’t afford higher-ed tuition, Romney assumes you expect “free stuff.”
And if you’re an African American supporter of the NAACP who wants your family to have access to affordable health care, Romney suspects you’re just looking for “free stuff.”

Of course, no one will receive free health insurance under Obamacare; the law makes health care more affordable for working and middle class families through tax credits. But everyone pays into the system to ensure that the government does not have to pick up the tab of the uninsured.
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Keep making that grave you've been happily digging.
 
Yeah, Kornheiser was awesome too. You pinko lefties need to stop pretending you watch sports. Stick to your poetry readings and lecture halls.
 
Romney stayed at Bain 3 years longer than he claims. 2002 not 1999

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/boston-globe-romney-stayed-at-bain-3-years

Also, a Massachusetts financial disclosure form Romney filed in 2003 states that he still owned 100 percent of Bain Capital in 2002. And Romney’s state financial disclosure forms indicate he earned at least $100,000 as a Bain “executive” in 2001 and 2002, separate from investment earnings.
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Romney campaign says the story is false as Bain has said Romney left in 1999. Only he got paid 100k for being executive, continued investment earnings and formed new joint investments under Bain during that period. So...do we believe these legal SEC filings or not.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/romney-camp-boston-globes-bain-story-not-accurate

The Audacity of Lies should be Romney Campaign's best selling book if he becomes President.
 
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