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The last time I had anal intercourse with someone who wasn't a boyfriend was 2001, maybe earlier, these days it's almost assumed or implied you are going to kiss, do some low risk oral and cum side by side, nobody here expects or demands more than that, maybe I live in a different world.

I am quite surprised that people have actual penetrative sex in random dates with strangers. I can't understand going all the way through with the sex, with or without condoms, but without it's like the most crazy shit you can ever do.

I've had anal on the first date a few times, but always with a condom. I don't think it's that rare.
 
So my ex took me out to dinner at an Italian restaurant, then we had dessert at a Gelato place. He also gave me a new wallet and cologne for my birthday. He was like "this is your one time a year for being spoiled betch" LOL. I feel bad because he put more thought into his gift than I did for him, all I got him was a gift card. :/

Anyway, after that I went and hung out with Enrique and we are still getting to know each other better. I really do like him a lot and he tells me the same. I like just spending time with him and being in his arms. :)

Do you think he could be the next boyfriend Scott?
I really do like him but we are still getting to know each other outside the bedroom. But I already care for him a lot and he cares for me a lot as well. I really wish it does work out like that but we'll see, time will tell.
 
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Here you go, nerds.

edit: flirting like a girl thougH? what???
 
I liked what I saw of Burn Notice, it's just that all of USA's shows (White Collar and a bunch of other things I can't remember) look the same to me. I love watching Bruce Campbell's career decline. :(

Oh man, I love Sigourney Weaver. I don't have the means to watch it, but it looks good from that clip.

She's the one actor who has never been in a single bad movie. NEVER.
 
I'm so miserable right now. Earlier this year I started having feeling for another guy (I was in a 5 years relationship until 2 weeks ago) he is in a relationship as well (I believe for 4 years). We had very good chemistry since we met and even though I tried several times to stay away from him we always kept in touch. The last 2 or 3 months were terrible for me, I felt really guilty about this. (Long post about this here)

So around 3 weeks ago I decide to talk to the guy. I guess it was obvious nothing good would come out of it but I just wanted to know what the fuck was going through his mind, because I knew he had feelings for me (or at least that he liked me as well). He told me that he always liked me, but we were both in these relationships since we met so he just kept it to himself and thought I didn't feel the same way about him (which I didn't at the beginning).

After a couple of days and lots of texting I told him we needed to do something about the situation because it wasn't healthy for any of us. He told me that he still loves his boyfriend and didn't want to break up with him and that I shouldn't breakup with mine either, he has been dumped for somebody else before and wouldn't want to make anyone go through that pain.

So "we" decided that nothing was going to happen between us. I must confess I wasn't too happy about it and even though I know it's the right thing to do, now I just can't (or don't want to) cut him out of my life.

I was kind of depressed for a couple of days, then my boyfriend wanted to have "the talk". He talked to me about how we had grown apart, our sex life wasn't too good and obviously he noticed there was something going on between me and this other guy. I confessed to him that I did like him and after some talking I told him it was better to break up. He probably wanted just to give us another chance but right now I don't feel attracted to him anymore as a boyfriend, even if I still love him.

But you know what the worst part of this is? The reason why I feel so miserable is not because I ended my 5 year relationship but because I can't be with the guy I want to be with. I know it's stupid, selfish and wrong but that's just how I feel. I guess I was probably already over my relationship when I started falling for this other guy.

He knows that we broke up and we still talk but I know it's just not the right thing to do, because he's still in a relationship and if we keep going like this it's gonna end up even worse.

So yes, I know everyone is going to say "stay away from him" and I've been trying to do just that. I just feel like shit right now and that's why I keep going back to him :(
 
I'm so miserable right now. Earlier this year I started having feeling for another guy (I was in a 5 years relationship until 2 weeks ago) he is in a relationship as well (I believe for 4 years). We had very good chemistry since we met and even though I tried several times to stay away from him we always kept in touch. The last 2 or 3 months were terrible for me, I felt really guilty about this. (Long post about this here)

So around 3 weeks ago I decide to talk to the guy. I guess it was obvious nothing good would come out of it but I just wanted to know what the fuck was going through his mind, because I knew he had feelings for me (or at least that he liked me as well). He told me that he always liked me, but we were both in these relationships since we met so he just kept it to himself and thought I didn't feel the same way about him (which I didn't at the beginning).

After a couple of days and lots of texting I told him we needed to do something about the situation because it wasn't healthy for any of us. He told me that he still loves his boyfriend and didn't want to break up with him and that I shouldn't breakup with mine either, he has been dumped for somebody else before and wouldn't want to make anyone go through that pain.

So "we" decided that nothing was going to happen between us. I must confess I wasn't too happy about it and even though I know it's the right thing to do, now I just can't (or don't want to) cut him out of my life.

I was kind of depressed for a couple of days, then my boyfriend wanted to have "the talk". He talked to me about how we had grown apart, our sex life wasn't too good and obviously he noticed there was something going on between me and this other guy. I confessed to him that I did like him and after some talking I told him it was better to break up. He probably wanted just to give us another chance but right now I don't feel attracted to him anymore as a boyfriend, even if I still love him.

But you know what the worst part of this is? The reason why I feel so miserable is not because I ended my 5 year relationship but because I can't be with the guy I want to be with. I know it's stupid, selfish and wrong but that's just how I feel. I guess I was probably already over my relationship when I started falling for this other guy.

He knows that we broke up and we still talk but I know it's just not the right thing to do, because he's still in a relationship and if we keep going like this it's gonna end up even worse.

So yes, I know everyone is going to say "stay away from him" and I've been trying to do just that. I just feel like shit right now and that's why I keep going back to him :(

Your guilt is natural. So were your feelings. The fact that you didn't feel well (to begin with) about falling out of love with your old boyfriend IMO tells me you're not an uncaring or cold person. Its natural that you are beating yourself up.

It's not a crime that you started to have feelings for someone else. What were you supposed to do? Do nothing and stay in a relationship that you were already losing touch with? No, that wouldn't have been healthy either.

The part I do think you need to accept though is that the guy you want to be with has made up his own mind: and since he decided to stay in his relationship then that is the way it is going to be. Maybe he really really loves his boyfriend and isn't in a rut like you were. So its really not a good idea to disrupt or influence his relationship. He made up his mind and sadly you are going to have to live with that.

I know lots of people frown on others for leaving relationships for other people... but I personally don't see it that way all the time. My sister was in a relationship for like 10 months and broke off the relationship because she was falling for another man. And this new guy ended up being husband down the road and they've been together for 8 years.

Staying together with someone just for the sake of keeping the relationship alive even if all the passion is gone isn't exactly healthy... so don't beat yourself up. At least you were honest and open with your Ex about why.
 
First awkward post-breakup call, from my mom. I've never talked too much to her (or anyone from my family) about my feelings and stuff like that. We kind of grew appart when they found out I'm gay, they took it really bad but with the years now they accept and love me as I am.

Somehow I never really got over that and just think it's wrong talking to them about my stuff :(

She probably told my dad, so I'm looking forward to that awkward conversation as well. She found out via facebook, I guess I should have been prepared. I just changed my relationship status like an hour ago, I wasn't really looking forward to doing it, mostly because everyone will start freaking out now but my ex changed it earlier so I thought there was no point on keeping my "in a relationship" status anymore (he was linked there, but since he changed his status he was not anymore).
 
First awkward post-breakup call, from my mom. I've never talked too much to her (or anyone from my family) about my feelings and stuff like that. We kind of grew appart when they found out I'm gay, they took it really bad but with the years now they accept and love me as I am.

Somehow I never really got over that and just think it's wrong talking to them about my stuff :(

She probably told my dad, so I'm looking forward to that awkward conversation as well. She found out via facebook, I guess I should have been prepared. I just changed my relationship status like an hour ago, I wasn't really looking forward to doing it, mostly because everyone will start freaking out now but my ex changed it earlier so I thought there was no point on keeping my "in a relationship" status anymore (he was linked there, but since he changed his status he was not anymore).

With my absolute zero experience in relationships I can say you did the right thing, breakup or not. When the other possibility is being "the other guy" is far better to be on your own. It sucks, but the other scenario sucks even more, even if momentarily seems better, the outcome of that would be even worse. Let him resolve his situation first before proceeding.
 
First awkward post-breakup call, from my mom. I've never talked too much to her (or anyone from my family) about my feelings and stuff like that. We kind of grew appart when they found out I'm gay, they took it really bad but with the years now they accept and love me as I am.

Somehow I never really got over that and just think it's wrong talking to them about my stuff :(

She probably told my dad, so I'm looking forward to that awkward conversation as well. She found out via facebook, I guess I should have been prepared. I just changed my relationship status like an hour ago, I wasn't really looking forward to doing it, mostly because everyone will start freaking out now but my ex changed it earlier so I thought there was no point on keeping my "in a relationship" status anymore (he was linked there, but since he changed his status he was not anymore).

2 weeks out from a major breakup? Of course your'e going to be feeling like hell, man! Heck, three years out I still get down sometimes about my ex (though, admittedly, there was some emotional abuse there). The important thing is that it will pass. There are going to be times where you feel like it's never going to end no matter how much you try and let go, but believe me, it will.

I don't want to make this a "It Gets Better" rant, but it really, really does. Just give it time, give yourself sometime to grow into who you are (if you've been in a relationship for five years, a lot of your stories and memories are bound to be wrapped up in that) and develop into the person you want to be. Keep positive, and if you need anything, you're always welcome to PM me. :)

Edit: I'm back, bitches!
 
2 weeks out from a major breakup? Of course your'e going to be feeling like hell, man! Heck, three years out I still get down sometimes about my ex (though, admittedly, there was some emotional abuse there). The important thing is that it will pass. There are going to be times where you feel like it's never going to end no matter how much you try and let go, but believe me, it will.

I don't want to make this a "It Gets Better" rant, but it really, really does. Just give it time, give yourself sometime to grow into who you are (if you've been in a relationship for five years, a lot of your stories and memories are bound to be wrapped up in that) and develop into the person you want to be. Keep positive, and if you need anything, you're always welcome to PM me. :)

Edit: I'm back, bitches!

Yes, but how long? ;)
 
YOU. Your name is red. Holy mother of--- *flees from Mumei's newfound mod powers*

And for as long as I remember to check NeoGAF instead of Reddit. /shamed

I have never really understood the appeal of Reddit, and their ... issues with dealing with some of their more unsavory subcommunities discourages me from bothering to find out.

But anyway, how have you been?
 
I have never really understood the appeal of Reddit, and their ... issues with dealing with some of their more unsavory subcommunities discourages me from bothering to find out.

But anyway, how have you been?

Yeaaah. I stay away from those subreddits. I mostly peruse /gaymers, /atheism (even though it's a circle jerk), and /askscience.

Anyway, I'm really good. School start back next month, and Andy and I are going to Hawaii for a week in August (i.e. you should stow away or come up and take care of Nubbins for a week). Other than that, not much to report.

Oh! I reread "Hard-boiled Wonderland and the End of the World". Even better the second time through. Have you read IQ84 yet?
 
Does anyone here check for gaygamer? I just went there and people were posting pics of themselves in their underwear. I closed the tab.

Thus Gaymers not gaygamer. Also, gaymersgonemild and gaymersgonewild are self pics. Gaymers is general Reddit gone gay, so lots of ZOMG VIDEO GAME and LULZ ATTRACTIVE BOYS. Though there are some good posts overall.

Also, why am I talking about Reddit it on NeoGAF? What am I doing here I am not gud with internet.
 
Does anyone here check for gaygamer? I just went there and people were posting pics of themselves in their underwear. I closed the tab.

This describes just about every gay community I've seen.

Edit - scratch that. This describes every community I know with young people.
 
Yeaaah. I stay away from those subreddits. I mostly peruse /gaymers, /atheism (even though it's a circle jerk), and /askscience.

Anyway, I'm really good. School start back next month, and Andy and I are going to Hawaii for a week in August (i.e. you should stow away or come up and take care of Nubbins for a week). Other than that, not much to report.

Oh! I reread "Hard-boiled Wonderland and the End of the World". Even better the second time through. Have you read IQ84 yet?

If I am in a position to do so, I would. I would suggest making sure you have other arrangements though. :P

And to the bolded: Nyet. I have read many, many other books, but I have not read that one. For some reason the Murakami itch has been pretty well satisfied for awhile after finishing The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle. Right now I am reading City of Saints and Madmen.
 
If I am in a position to do so, I would. I would suggest making sure you have other arrangements though. :P

And to the bolded: Nyet. I have read many, many other books, but I have not read that one. For some reason the Murakami itch has been pretty well satisfied for awhile after finishing The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle. Right now I am reading City of Saints and Madmen.

IQ84 in my mind is the spiritual successor to Wind-Up. Both are wonderful, but are kind of cut from the same mold. Though, simply, that may be due to the fact that Murakami actually gives these characters names and personalities rather than his usual Everyman archetype. Still. So good. Especially the main female protaganist, Aomame.
 
IQ84 in my mind is the spiritual successor to Wind-Up. Both are wonderful, but are kind of cut from the same mold. Though, simply, that may be due to the fact that Murakami actually gives these characters names and personalities rather than his usual Everyman archetype. Still. So good. Especially the main female protaganist, Aomame.
Hijacking this conversation, but I found 1Q84's characters a bit boring, and all of their quirks (the male character's memory of his mother, Aomame's thing for old, balding men) were ridiculous, and they follow in the Murakami tradition of following a bizarre dream logic. I've only read an finished Sputnik Sweetheart, and listened to a bit of Kafka on the Shore (which was helped tremendously by having a full cast production), and couldn't get into The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle. I got 150 pages or so into 1Q84 before needing to give it back to the library, and considering how massive the book is, that's only a small dent. Does it get better? I liked the plot just fine, but the characters did nothing for me.
 
Thus Gaymers not gaygamer. Also, gaymersgonemild and gaymersgonewild are self pics. Gaymers is general Reddit gone gay, so lots of ZOMG VIDEO GAME and LULZ ATTRACTIVE BOYS. Though there are some good posts overall.

Also, why am I talking about Reddit it on NeoGAF? What am I doing here I am not gud with internet.

/r/gaymers is so bad and good at the same time. I have a love/hate relationship with it.

Though I've unsubbed and haven't gone back

I do check /r/gaymersgonewild occasionally but there's too many "is this wild enough reddit?" posts that are mostly just them in their underwear to where it's like "well, there's a subreddit called 'mild' use that if you aren't going to go all the way, damn it. :|"

Then again, I haven't been on reddit in months. Communities got so bad that I just got sick of going there and seeing circle jerks for karma.

/r/mtg not withstanding, but for the most part the M:tG community is mostly good.
 
2 weeks out from a major breakup? Of course your'e going to be feeling like hell, man! Heck, three years out I still get down sometimes about my ex (though, admittedly, there was some emotional abuse there). The important thing is that it will pass. There are going to be times where you feel like it's never going to end no matter how much you try and let go, but believe me, it will.

I don't want to make this a "It Gets Better" rant, but it really, really does. Just give it time, give yourself sometime to grow into who you are (if you've been in a relationship for five years, a lot of your stories and memories are bound to be wrapped up in that) and develop into the person you want to be. Keep positive, and if you need anything, you're always welcome to PM me. :)

Edit: I'm back, bitches!
I'm fucked up, man! I keep thinking about the other guy instead of my ex :(

Well actually, as I commented a couple of pages back, me and the ex are still living together because he just has nowhere to go, so maybe that's why I'm not really mourning our relationship. For the past 2 weeks things didn't really change a lot between us, just the fact that now we're not "together" (and sleeping in separate rooms, obviously).

That was up until today when my ex didn't wake me up in the morning so I would drive him to work. When I woke up and didn't see him at the house (and noticed it was almost noon) I called him and he told me he just feels really bad and needs to stay away from me as much as he can, even if we still live together. So maybe now reality will actually hit me.
 
Erk, nothing says fun like about to wanting to talk to your boyfriend because you're panicking and worrying and finding out he's gone to bed...

Wait that's not fun...

That's making me sad.

:'(

edit - Oh and for clarification, I wouldn't feel as bad if my other friend was still in the chat, but he went to bed a few hours ago since today is his birthday...
 
It sounds like you already know enough of what you want to say. :) Just take it easy; one step at time. Breathe in, and breathe out. No need to panic. Try to get some rest and then think about it tomorrow morning.
 
Hijacking this conversation, but I found 1Q84's characters a bit boring, and all of their quirks (the male character's memory of his mother, Aomame's thing for old, balding men) were ridiculous, and they follow in the Murakami tradition of following a bizarre dream logic. I've only read an finished Sputnik Sweetheart, and listened to a bit of Kafka on the Shore (which was helped tremendously by having a full cast production), and couldn't get into The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle. I got 150 pages or so into 1Q84 before needing to give it back to the library, and considering how massive the book is, that's only a small dent. Does it get better? I liked the plot just fine, but the characters did nothing for me.

I haven't read Sputnik Sweetheart, but Kafka on the shore is certainly my favorite Murakami book. If you read that much of 1Q84 and still didn't find it interesting I'm pretty sure it's not for you. It gets better, but it's like the quintessential Murakami novel. It has the bizarre dream logic, weird-dreamy-sex and all the other things you can expect from him in a bigger, longer story. If you don't like him, you won't like this. I thought it was a little bit more grounded in reality, if you can say so, than his previous novels and ended up enjoying it a lot. And surprisingly I think this is the first time I liked the ending to one of his books. It wasn't the completely unexpected deus ex machina that resolves the inner conflict of the character and leaves everything else hanging.
 
No, I actually don't know what to say...should I just say "Mom, I want to live here" or "Umm, I kind of wanna live here..."

Agh!

edit - I kind of wish I could erase my messages from the chatroom...every message from 3:37 am to right now has been me repeatedly declaring "COME BACK....", "PLEASE...", "PLEASE I NEED YOU RIGHT NOW!", "I'M PANICKING!", and the crying smiley.
 
I haven't read Sputnik Sweetheart, but Kafka on the shore is certainly my favorite Murakami book. If you read that much of 1Q84 and still didn't find it interesting I'm pretty sure it's not for you. It gets better, but it's like the quintessential Murakami novel. It has the bizarre dream logic, weird-dreamy-sex and all the other things you can expect from him in a bigger, longer story. If you don't like him, you won't like this. I thought it was a little bit more grounded in reality, if you can say so, than his previous novels and ended up enjoying it a lot. And surprisingly I think this is the first time I liked the ending to one of his books. It wasn't the completely unexpected deus ex machina that resolves the inner conflict of the character and leaves everything else hanging.
I'm not sure if it's Murakami or Japanese novels in general, but I find Murakami's characters to be bland and weirdly static, and so listening to audiobooks has helped add a lot of personality to his books. I really want to read them, so I suppose that'll have to be my way to go. Kafka on the Shore really was great, my audiobook just expired before I was done with it.

It's disappointing to read that 1Q84 is representative of most of his work then. I read an excerpt from What I Talk About When I Talk About Running and really enjoyed it, and decided to try his fiction as a result. I've never wanted to like an author more.

No, I actually don't know what to say...should I just say "Mom, I want to live here" or "Umm, I kind of wanna live here..."

Agh!
Why would you take the less decisive approach?
 
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