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AlteredBeast

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Opiate said:
I don't mean to be rude, but you're doing a terrible job of convincing me of rampant voter fraud.
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I am not doing anything of the sort. I am using my God-given sense of reality and reasoning to tell you that voter fraud is non-existent. It has always and probably always will be enacted to stifle voting from one voting segment or another. There are not two sides to every story, you are wasting your time looking.
 
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XenodudeX

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Oblivion

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How do you be owner, President, and CEO of your own company and not have ANY input? I get that it's fair to say that Romney may not have been responsible for day to day managerial duties, but did he not have ANY say in ANY major decision the company makes? Like buying companies? Selling companies? Massive layoffs? ANY of that?

Sorry, but that sounds like bullpucky. Surprise, the party that always bitches about "personal responsibility" never takes responsibility for anything.

Kosmo said:
"Dude, you sent $30B of American taxpayer money directly overseas in your stimulus package."
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Pretty sure that's one of them Republican "facts".
 
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kehs

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In a statement to reporters, Romney campaign manager Matt Rhoades demanded that Cutter apologize for calling Romney a potential crook.
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President Obama’s campaign hit a new low today when one of its senior advisers made a reckless and unsubstantiated charge to reporters about Mitt Romney that was so over the top that it calls into question the integrity of their entire campaign. President Obama ought to apologize for the out-of-control behavior of his staff, which demeans the office he holds. Campaigns are supposed to be hard fought, but statements like those made by Stephanie Cutter belittle the process and the candidate on whose behalf she works.
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http://swampland.time.com/2012/07/13/obama-campaign-says-mitt-romney-is-either-a-crook-or-a-liar/

Shame on you Obama campaign.
 
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Opiate

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AlteredBeast said:
I am not doing anything of the sort. I am using my God-given sense of reality and reasoning to tell you that voter fraud is non-existent. It has always and probably always will be enacted to stifle voting from one voting segment or another. There are not two sides to every story, you are wasting your time looking.
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This is why Opiate tells so few jokes on GAF: they are apparently not my forte. My sense of humor is very dry.
 
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Tamanon

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http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/obama-romney-bain-buck-stops-with-you.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

President Obama said Friday that Mitt Romney deserves to be held accountable for his work at Bain Capital during a leave of absence, and that issues surrounding the timing of his exit raise “legitimate questions.”

“It’s pretty clear to me that I’m responsible for folks who are working in the federal government and you know, Harry Truman said the buck stops with you,” Obama said in an interview with TV station WJLA.

Obama noted that Romney, despite insisting he had no input into Bain’s operations after 1999 while on leave to run the Olympics, was listed in numerous SEC filings as the firm’s top officer.

“Now, my understanding is that Mr. Romney attested to the SEC, multiple times, that he was the chairman, CEO and president of Bain Capital, and I think most Americans figure if you are the chairman, CEO and president of a company that you are responsible for what that company does,” Obama said.

“Ultimately Mr. Romney, I think, is going to have to answer those questions, because if he aspires to being president, one of the things you learn is, you are ultimately responsible for the conduct of your operations, but again that’s probably a question that he’s going to have to answer and I think that’s a legitimate part of the campaign,” Obama said.
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Oh man at the picture in the article. Smirking Obama is Best Obama
 
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cartoon_soldier

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I am assuming Romney will accuse Obama of going negative, character assassination, maybe even call him a Liar in the interviews.

AND CHANGE THE NARRATIVE COMPLETELY.

Right?
 
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GhaleonEB

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Tamanon said:
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/obama-romney-bain-buck-stops-with-you.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

Oh man at the picture in the article. Smirking Obama is Best Obama
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Obama's quotes in there are pretty brutal; he's smoothly going for the jugular. As we talked about yesterday, Romney's entire defense rests with arguing the buck didn't stop with him, despite his being in charge. That doesn't go over well in any context, but particularly when running for President.
 
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cartoon_soldier

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Ya basically the interviews are about calling Obama a Liar (without using the L word itself)

I can't believe this didn't come up in the primary. Seriously, anyone could have combed EDGAR for this, or am I mistaken?
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Did you see his Primary opponents?

Only two people with credible campaigns - Pawlenty and Perry burned quickly.
 
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VanMardigan

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Opiate said:
Right, and I'm sure you can make a documentary about innery city poor people being denied the right to vote by an ID law which held them to practical standards which couldn't be met.

From an outsider's perspective (that is, someone who hasn't considered the topic much), it looks like the definition of a partisan issue; we have anecdotes on both sides, and little evidence to support which is more common than the other, or what we consider tolerable thresholds for fraud and tolerable thresholds for disenfranchisement -- because realistically both are going to happen to some degree regardless.

So what are the ratios? How much and how many? I'm not saying these studies don't exist -- but I can say I've never seen them, and I have never seen anyone cite them, either. It appears that Democrats just know that lots of people are being disenfranchised, while Republicans just know that lots of fraud is occuring.
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Ok, I have some statistics crap to finish up, but I'll do a peer review search for voter fraud and see what comes up. I may even link you guys to the PDF if it's too long for me to parse through. I'm fairly certain there will be recent research on the topic that should settle this issue for those of us in the middle and with no ax to grind.
 
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teiresias

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cartoon_soldier said:
I am assuming Romney will accuse Obama of going negative, character assassination, maybe even call him a Liar in the interviews.

AND CHANGE THE NARRATIVE COMPLETELY.

Right?
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On CNN last night, Bay Buchanan already accused the Obama campaign of character assassination. For anyone in the GOP to complain about character assassination is so ironic that it's laughable.
 
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Tim-E

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I really can't believe how bad Romney is at damage control. He's been attacked on this issue for 18 years and he can still barely talk about it without getting flustered.

The Obama campaign is relentless. I like it.

DeathbyVolcano said:
fuck hell. can't one of these networks rip on him instead of softball to him?
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Romney wouldn't do these interviews if they were hard on him. He hasn't talked to anyone outside of republican-safe outlets in months.
 
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Guevara said:
I can't believe this didn't come up in the primary. Seriously, anyone could have combed EDGAR for this, or am I mistaken?
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this is what some of us were getting at during the primary race.

Romney got taken to the cleaners by joke candidates. A guy with more skeletons in his closet than a haunted house. A guy who couldn't put a coherent sentence together. A woman with a bizarre, tenuous grip on reality. A philanderer who had never held public office, running because it apparently amused him to do so. RICK SANTORUM.

These people avoided the hard hitting questions, put up no serious opposition and STILL he came out bruised and battered, and his approval ratings never recovered.

Against the Obama campaign he's doomed. They're not in the business of lobbing softballs, and I've never seen a candidate so hopelessly blindsided before. Romney is making Kerry and Dukakis look like political geniuses right now.
 
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Oblivion

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teiresias said:
On CNN last night, Bay Buchanan already accused the Obama campaign of character assassination. For anyone in the GOP to complain about character assassination is so ironic that it's laughable.
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That unsmart woman was on Andrea Mitchell yesterday and didn't even bother defending the SEC stuff. She just said that Obama was being too mean cause he's been a failure in Presidenting.
 
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Allard

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Oblivion said:
That dumb broad was on Andrea Mitchell yesterday and didn't even bother defending the SEC stuff. She just said that Obama was being too mean cause he's been a failure in Presidenting.
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The most amazing thing about this latest debacle is that it hits Romney at the heart of his own executive experience (business executive) and diminishes his credibility on that front, a position that actually parrallels in a lot of ways the President of the United States duties. Its one thing to defend or not defend your business decisions but he is basically saying that he isn't responsible for anything people in his cabinet does; jeez I wonder if Romney gave Obama the same courtesy for all the things others have done under Obama's watch!?
 
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Oblivion

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LOL. Romney ally, Bob McDonnell says we're not allowed to talk about Bain anymore:

Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell, a leading Republican figure, said Friday that Mitt Romney's time at the helm of Bain Capital isn't part of the record voters should consider in choosing a president.

Asked during a press conference here whether he thought Romney's experience at Bain should be part of his "record," McDonnell shook his head and said "No. No."

"All of these attacks are things that happened after Mitt Romney left as the managing director of Bain — he left to run the Olympics, some of the best Olympics in history in 2002," McDonnell said. "He left to do that in 1999. To the degree that there is any truth to these sorts of outsourcing allegations, they happened after 1999 when he was not the managing director."
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So Romney's going to run on his record of providing UHC in Mass.?

Also, why the hell do the righties keep bringing up the Olympics?
 
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pigeon

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Oblivion said:
Also, why the hell do the righties keep bringing up the Olympics?
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It's one of the few things that Romney did that a) was relatively successful and b) he isn't explicitly trying to avoid talking about. It was essentially the start of his political career.
 
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Oblivion

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pigeon said:
It's one of the few things that Romney did that a) was relatively successful and b) he isn't explicitly trying to avoid talking about. It was essentially the start of his political career.
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Yeah, I get that, but it's a dumb thing for them to bring up when you do a little digging.
 
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Opiate

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Oblivion said:
That unsmart woman was on Andrea Mitchell yesterday and didn't even bother defending the SEC stuff. She just said that Obama was being too mean cause he's been a failure in Presidenting.
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I can see what posts looked like before editing, you know (and how long it took to edit them).

Careful with sexist language in the future, please. It isn't allowed. If you have any questions about language and how it is moderated, feel free to PM me or another mod. Thanks.
 
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