Goddamn that's awesome. And super clunky. Thanks!
Penny Arcade: the ugly, profitable details about Xbox Live dashboard ads
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Goddamn that's awesome. And super clunky. Thanks!
Uno Venova
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You find it super clunky? Eh, ok.
Well you have to type in a database field for every title right? It's not drag and drop or am I missing something?
elrechazado
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It's cute that you think that. Sony will not be free next gen.
Uno Venova
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Yes, I just don't find it super clunky since the keyboard saves everything you typed so you don't have to spell out the entire folder every time.
I don't organize my library on the 360, how do they do it?
BruiserBear
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And obviously I am starting out with ~100 titles to organize rather than going along progressively. Also I have 3 PS3s I will now feel the compulsion to make match in organization :/
On 360 when you navigate to the Games Library you select whether to display ALL, DEMOS, ARCADE, and FULL GAMES I think. Then they are displayed alphabetically with box art tiles. Unlike PS3, there are no custom options.
Only one profile logged in at a time is what kills me and many gamers I play with. I mean Can log in 4 accounts on the 360 you are limited to one active profile.
I tolerate psn ads because its a free service and they are non intrusive. I resent xbl ads because they are obtrusive and its a paid service.
I was an xbl gold member for about 9 years, and last time I used it maybe three months ago, it was ridiculously unintuitive to navigate the marketplace. Finding new xbla games is hidden behind five layers of menus. It makes wiiware look inviting by comparison.
At least psn is sorted into clear categories.
I think MS are more focussed on their partners than their subscribers convenience at this stage.
I was an xbl gold member for about 9 years, and last time I used it maybe three months ago, it was ridiculously unintuitive to navigate the marketplace. Finding new xbla games is hidden behind five layers of menus. It makes wiiware look inviting by comparison.
At least psn is sorted into clear categories.
I think MS are more focussed on their partners than their subscribers convenience at this stage.
lowrider007
Licorice-flavoured booze?
You sure about that are you?, I think that will be determined by the success of Playstaton Plus's current business model, I personally can't see Sony charging consumers to play online next gen tbh, I think they will just continue to add extra exclusive features to Playstation Plus, maybe even cross gamer chat next gen but always keep basic online play free.
OldJadedGamer
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I think if they do charge they will do what they did last gen with the PS2 and charge to play online per title. Like how it is now but the online pass code won't be in the box. It would be $10 for everyone. New or used. Maybe a publisher pass or something that lets you play all the games online from a certain publisher. They have to do something. They are losing too much money.
You also used the fact Sony charged for online in Japan as evidence that the Vita would not have free online play.
Thanks for the scoop, Kaz.
Thanks for the scoop, Kaz.
I have 0 interest in this subject (other than the opinion I posted) since im neither an Xbox 360 or PS3 user, but I just wanna say this entitled "it's cute that you think that" type posts are probably what pisses me off the most on GAF.
OldJadedGamer
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And people used the fact that the PS3 uses open memory that the Vita wouldn't have over priced proprietary memory cards. Home systems and portables are different.
That didn't stop you from making a lot of posts suggesting that the Vita might not have free online play.
When you push the same agenda over a long period of time, people notice.
OldJadedGamer
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I have no agenda. I look at what happens in the past and give my opinion on what might happen in the future. I'm already a PS+ subscriber so even if Sony charged it wouldn't affect me personally since my paying subscription would be covered (I hope)
I read through several pages, and I am surprised at the amount of people who are defending Microsoft on this matter. You people need to consider that if we don't start complaining at this point, they will just keep adding ads. They will add until people won't tolerate any more, and it's already extreme -- and unless we complain/make noise, they will add more.
Speedymanic
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If you're earning close to 350k a day from one small window, are you really going to take what a few people on a gaming forum have to say seriously?
C'mon, think about it.
The millions upon millions of gold users out there do not care. It's a non issue outside of a few gaming forums. It's time to stop pretending it's a major issue when less than point one percent of the entire gold userbase is complaining about it. Hell, wouldn't surprise me if some of those complaining didn't even own a 360.
That's for the What's New section that the system automatically boots to. I believe he's talking about the ticker in the upper right hand corner box. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Give it a shot. I haven't seen the ticker in years. It could be a different setting.
Maybe my Playstation is just a magical one, though.
I just did, well more specifically I turned it back on and then turned it off after restarting the system. All that adjusts is whether or not it boots to the what's new section under playstation network in the XMB.
Out of curiosity is your date and time information correct on your system? To my knowledge that being incorrect is the only thing that will prevent the news ticker from displaying.
Mr.Wreckless
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If all you want to do is play games then i dont see how the ads are intrusive. You can enable boot to disc if you want to always go directly to whatever game is in the tray. If you dont go that route, as soon as the GUI is up you just press A and you are booting up your game, you dont have to look at an ad or even move the cursor.
And unless you play a different DD title every day for 2 weeks the games you want to play are easily found by pressing down once and going to quick play.
People who dont want to be bothered by all that other stuff simply dont have to be.
And unless you play a different DD title every day for 2 weeks the games you want to play are easily found by pressing down once and going to quick play.
People who dont want to be bothered by all that other stuff simply dont have to be.
Yes, it's all correct.
I'll try and find out where the setting is located. I own multiple PS3's connected to the internet, and none of them show a ticker.
Certain regions dont get the ticker.
I'm officially jealous.Speedymanic
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Why?
Just to placate a few moany gamers? Accept the future, you'll enjoy life a lot more if you don't focus so much on non issues.
Because some people don't like ads? Not a hard concept to grasp.
If I subscribe and pay for certain websites, they always remove the ads, because they are ugly, unwanted and obnoxious.
Why shouldn't XBL offer that feature? if you are right, and nobody fucking cares about ads, then nobody will bother to turn it off anyway. Everybody wins.
Hmm, that must be it. I can't find the setting anymore.
I fully remember being able to turn it on and off in the past though. Maybe they removed the thing entirely in a system update for EU regions.
Mr.Wreckless
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I pay a lot of money for cable tv yet im still bombarded with ads. Those arent ignorable like the ones on Xbox either. I pay for satellite radio.....ads there too. I pay for the internet, its full of ads.
Ads are everywhere, might as well get used to it.
The services you're comparing here are vastly different, both in how they operate and in what your subscription dollars are going to pay for. It's been argued to death, but needless to say the comparison to a cable subscription is terribly out of place. Simply saying "get used to it" is basically just actively discouraging good consumer practices and encouraging corporate practices of continuing to screw a market over.
Well, most of the ads are to stuff you can get on the very system you're viewing them on.
Just turned my 360 on and what is being shown. Ah look, informing me there's an Arcade sale:
I'm not a fan of Metro's layout vs. the previous one, but the ads don't bother me at all. Hell, most the time I don't even pay attention to them. I have a purpose for turning my system on: play a certain game; watch a movie or TV show.
Speedymanic
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Those people are shit out of luck.
It's not hard to grasp the fact that ads are going nowhere and if anything, will become a lot more intrusive and prevalent. In Netflix, Amazon streaming, etc, it's too big a revenue stream for everyone to ignore in the long term.
Don't like it? Move to a country that outlaws advertising.
Why should they offer the feature? Those who hate ads will vote with their wallets and not buy any MS products, so ;pandering to a small vocal group is pointless.
Liberty4all
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I think you are wrong. Sony has gone an entirely different direction with PSN and PS+.
Speedymanic
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I find it cute that you think both Sony and MS won't offer free p2p gaming next gen.
The new battleground will be dedicated servers. Bookmark this, I guaran-damn-tee it.
Liberty4all
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Fixed
Ads are there for silver members, too. You're not paying for removal of ads, just online multiplayer and the ability to use some apps - that were tied into Gold because so many cried about Gold not offering more over Silver. I agree 100% online MP should be free. But MS is making a killing. Services/products are sold, the market votes with their wallets. Why should MS make online MP free?
Speedymanic
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It's not free. It's never free. Google sells your data onto ad companies for a very healthy profit. Money that is, for all intent and purposes, rightfully yours, is being used to fund services that force you to watch ads.
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Yeah.
Mr.Wreckless
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Please explain how ignorable ads are screwing anyone over. Especially when most of the ads are directly related to games and services available on the system.
Speedymanic
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Well, most of the ads are to stuff you can get on the very system you're viewing them on.
Just turned my 360 on and what is being shown. Ah look, informing me there's an Arcade sale:
I'm not a fan of Metro's layout vs. the previous one, but the ads don't bother me at all. Hell, most the time I don't even pay attention to them. I have a purpose for turning my system on: play a certain game; watch a movie or TV show.
When did they add two more windows?
Liberty4all
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Not true. I find PSN way more easier to use because I dont have to navigate through a sea of ads.
Family Fry
Member
2 more windows or as it's commonly known here on GAF 40% more ads.
Family Fry
Member
You not mean you find XMB easier to use?
Speedymanic
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Sea of ads? Goddamn, hyperbole. HYPERBOLE. rein that shit it.
Liberty4all
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Because alot of people are getting sick of this shit, and switching to PSN.
It's not even because of mp anymore, it's because live has become a cesspool of ads on a service people pay for. On the PS3 I feel like the service and layout is designed to make my user experience better. PS+ confirms that. On Live a service I pay for I feel like every tab I turn they are trying to sell me something. I don't even use the Metro interface anymore it's too frustrating. I use the old interface to navigate through live.
Liberty4all
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It's why I'm canceling my live subscription. It's not hyperbole. The ads on this service have gotten to the point the adversely affect my enjoyment of using the interface. And when it's a service I pay for ... Fuck that noise
You don't have to navigate through the ads. You can use LB/RB to switch quickly between the top tabs, or press up on the left stick/dpad till you're there and scroll.
Are they? Someone should tell MS.