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[DangerousDave]

relying on third parties is a proven strategy and one that pays dividends for MS as all third parties (bar a very few) sell more on 360.

They sell more on 360 because there is a much bigger userbase on US and UK. But I don't see how this benefit the userbase. We're not making a NPD debate here, we're talking about how all those HUGE revenues of Gold and advertising don't revert on the userbase.

And unless I missed it, I couldn't play The Witcher 2 on PS3 or the Wii. It was a big console exclusive, and what about Minecraft. Is that available on any other console? Trials Evo? I could go on, 460 has played host to a lot of games that aren't available on other consoles, they've provided a better core gaming experience this year than Sony and that doesn't look like it'll be ending any time soon.

You don't really want to start a list war about how many "console exclusive" games has been released, both digital and retail, on PSN, in the last 18 months...

There was a Halo game last year? And the new Forza game is a massive departure from the old template of standard racing, it's a massive risk for MS and one very few companies would take with one of their premier titles.

He's comparing Gears + Forza on 2011 with Halo + Forza on 2012. And if you have to consider a spinoff a massive risk that only MS can afford, well, that's quite crazy PR talking, here.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Are you claiming that both Sony's and Nintendo's online service is profitable enough for it be self sustaining?

Because obviously a business has to charge you for everything, including customer support right?

Get over it, MS is drawing as much money from you as they can legaly get away with, you might be happy with it but others aren't.

The bad news (for you), there's two other companies in the mix that have a minimum of decency (for the moment),

 

[Majanew]

Because obviously a business has to charge you for everything, including customer support right?

Get over it, MS is drawing as much money from your wallet as they can legaly get away with, you might be happy with it but others aren't.

MS isn't forcing them to buy a 360 or pay for Gold. Buy a PS3. Call it day. Solved. Simple, huh?

Why do I need protected from evil MS M$?

 

[Wickerbasket]

relying on third parties is a proven strategy and one that pays dividends for MS as all third parties (bar a very few) sell more on 360.

And unless I missed it, I couldn't play The Witcher 2 on PS3 or the Wii. It was a big console exclusive, and what about Minecraft. Is that available on any other console? Trials Evo? I could go on, 460 has played host to a lot of games that aren't available on other consoles, they've provided a better core gaming experience this year than Sony and that doesn't look like it'll be ending any time soon.

There was a Halo game last year? And the new Forza game is a massive departure from the old template of standard racing, it's a massive risk for MS and one very few companies would take with one of their premier titles.

And you bring up Kinect, what Kinect games are coming out this year bar the usual dance tripe, which is actually popular.

I have all the consoles, but since I have a PC, I've played the games you've listed before they even hit 360. The minecraft version on 360 even pales in comparison to the PC version. So of all the games you've listed not one is exclusive, I could have gotten the experience elsewhere.

And yes, Halo anniversary released last year. You're saying a lot of words but all you're really saying is the same thing I am; MS is releasing two core games this year. I'd be much happier with MS if they focused on releasing more core games like Sony and Nintendo do.

And I brought up Kinect because there's about 6 Kinect games being released by MS this year, which you'd know if you bothered to look at their output. It's fine if MS want to target the casual market, but I'd like them also to support the core.

 

[DangerousDave]

MS isn't forcing them to buy a 360 or pay for Gold. Buy a PS3. Call it day. Solved. Simple, huh?

Why do I need protected from evil MS M$?

I think that all this could be applied to any thread.

Ending of ME3 sucks? EA is not forcing you to play it.
Games are expensive? Nobody is forcing you to buy them.
Heavy DRM in games? Nobody is forcing you to buy them.

So, nice, we don't need to debate in a gaming forum anymore, you already found the magic answer for all threads.

 

[Majanew]

I think that all this could be applied to any thread.

Ending of ME3 sucks? EA is not forcing you to play it.

EA caved like a bunch of pussies.

Games are expensive? Nobody is forcing you to buy them.

Um, not really a good argument for a hobby.

Heavy DRM in games? Nobody is forcing you to buy them.

If people didn't buy it due to the DRMs, then those enforcing it would have to change things up now wouldn't they?

So, nice, we don't need to debate in a gaming forum anymore, you already found the magic answer for all threads.

Debate all you want. MS isn't getting rid of it as long as people continue to pay the fee. So many complain, yet continue to pay for it. Not really how you let a company know you're tired of their current setup.

 

[Speedymanic]

They sell more on 360 because there is a much bigger userbase on US and UK. But I don't see how this benefit the userbase. We're not making a NPD debate here, we're talking about how all those HUGE revenues of Gold and advertising don't revert on the userbase.

But they do. That money is used to secure exclusive DLC for the userbase, be it timed or not, the fact remains that the userbase is directly benefiting.

You don't really want to start a list war about how many "console exclusive" games has been released, both digital and retail, on PSN, in the last 18 months..

I'm not talking about the last 18 months, I'm talking about this year and MS have consistently provided more core games than both Ninty and Sony.

He's comparing Gears + Forza on 2011 with Halo + Forza on 2012. And if you have to consider a spinoff a massive risk that only MS can afford, well, that's quite crazy PR talking, here.

It's a risk in that it could damage the franchise, there's no PR talk.

Because obviously a business has to charge you for everything, including customer support right?

Get over it, MS is drawing as much money from you as they can legaly get away with, you might be happy with it but others aren't.

The bad news (for you), there's two other companies in the mix that have a minimum of decency (for the moment),

You claimed both Sony and Nintendo were making money without ads, so you're implying that their online services earn enough to be self sustaining. On what do you base this?

 

[Speedymanic]

I have all the consoles, but since I have a PC, I've played the games you've listed before they even hit 360. The minecraft version on 360 even pales in comparison to the PC version. So of all the games you've listed not one is exclusive, I could have gotten the experience elsewhere.

Again, 360 is the only console that allows me to play Minecraft. It paling in comparison to the PC version, which has been out for considerably longer, is irrelevant. I can't play it on the PS3 or Wii, so it's essentially a 360 console exclusive.

Trials Evo is on PC? PS3? Wii? Where can I play it?

And yes, Halo anniversary released last year. You're saying a lot of words but all you're really saying is the same thing I am; MS is releasing two core games this year. I'd be much happier with MS if they focused on releasing more core games like Sony and Nintendo do.

No, MS are releasing more than two core games this year but they aren't all at retail.

And I brought up Kinect because there's about 6 Kinect games being released by MS this year, which you'd know if you bothered to look at their output. It's fine if MS want to target the casual market, but I'd like them also to support the core.

I count three kinect titles that MS are releasing, the others are third party efforts.

Crimson Dragon, Dance Central, Fable: The Journey.

What are the other three?

 

[DangerousDave]

But they do. That money is used to secure exclusive DLC for the userbase, be it timed or not, the fact remains that the userbase is directly benefiting.

So they're using the benefits of ads and gold to give their userbase the "benefit" of being able to pay for extra maps a month earlier then the competence. Maybe, you know, they could use that money to give their userbase the benefit of paying that DLC cheaper (or making it free), instead of paying for delay the DLC in the other platforms. That could be directly benefiting.

I'm not talking about the last 18 months, I'm talking about this year and MS have consistently provided more core games than both Ninty and Sony.

6 months is a very small timeframe (specially the first half of the month), and obviously if there has been more exclusivities in the last 6 months on 360 (something that, already, I don't know) is in part because past year were much more first party releases from Sony than MS. I'm sure that, at the end of the year, there will be much more exclusivities on PS3 than on 360, like the two last years.

It's a risk in that it could damage the franchise, there's no PR talk.

Is no numered. Tons of other companies, not only MS, launched spinoffs, without affecting the franquise. I don't see the risk. It can sell badly (it won't, specially when it's one of the two only retail MS games on the whole year), but I don't see any risk for the franchise. Is like expecting than Yakuza Dead Souls could screw the franchise.

 

[Speedymanic]

So they're using the benefits of ads and gold to give their userbase the "benefit" of being able to pay for extra maps a month earlier then the competence. Maybe, you know, they could use that money to give their userbase the benefit of paying that DLC cheaper (or making it free), instead of paying for delay the DLC in the other platforms. That could be directly benefiting.

While I agree they could give away DLC for free, it's simply not feasible due to various factors, not least the cost alone would far outweigh any benefit. So acquiring DLC for an exclusive period is a better use of resources.

6 months is a very small timeframe, and obviously if there has been more exclusivities in the last 6 months on 360 (something that, already, I don't know) is in part because past year were much more first party releases from Sony than MS.

7, nearly 8 months. It's not a short time frame. And again, while Sony may put out more first party games (by simple virtue of having more studios), they aren't are relevant to gaming as they once were unless you're Nintendo. They make for good bullet points in list wars or when talking about the console, but the market as a whole doesn't care, this is borne out by the lackluster sales of most if their first party efforts.

Is no numered. Tons of other companies, not only MS, launched spinoffs, without affecting the franquise. I don't see the risk.

You're simplifying it and thus missing the point. And what other company has done what MS is doing? By that I mean taking one of their premier franchises and taking it in a completely new direction.

 

[Mr.Wreckless]

The only ads I see in my life are billboards--and I consistently vote for city councillors that promote heritage and visual aesthetics over development and cash for the city--and on the internet, on sites where I choose not to block them. If the city put up a blanket ban on outdoor advertising (Sao Paolo, a city with a population of 11 million people, has a blanket ban on outdoor advertising) to a vote, I'd vote for it. They're litter. They're trash. They offer no value to anyone. There are less coercive, more cooperative ways to share information about your product with end consumers, when they initiate the transaction.

I don't have cable TV, I DVR public TV and skip the ads, I don't listen to commercial radio, I don't go to the cinema, I rip all my DVDs and Blus and thus don't see the unskippable ads. I don't have Hulu. When I do go to concerts, they're rarely the large Ticketmaster 100s-of-sponsors huge events. I don't use Facebook often or "like" any brands. I don't follow any companies on Twitter. I work for a university and so advertising does not determine or impact my job. I consistently express displeasure about corporate intrusion into the university, as it relates to advertising. I will never click on an ad. If I saw an ad for a game I wanted, I would open a new tab and Google that product. I will never be complicit in supporting this system.

I hate ads. They're not "everywhere". I won't get used to it. Whenever I'm able to avoid ads, I choose to do so. If they're still unfortunately required to prop up certain outlets, then that's truly a tragedy. I would rather pay for GAF than have to whitelist the ads here, but I understand that that's administrative overhead EL doesn't want to take on. If ever an option is allowed to pay to remove ads here or otherwise support the site in lieu of having to put up with ads, I will be the first person to register for it.

If your first response is "But what about ads for <xyz>?", my answer to that will be "I'd rather avoid them. If there's any alternative, I will." When Google Glasses gets more robust and feature-filled, I'll be first in line to help develop or pay for an application to block ads in real life.

I don't want ads on Xbox Live. I have no problem with promotional stuff in the store about current sales. I have no problem with the front page of Steam. I have no problem with "If you like X, you'll like Y". I have no problem with "Top Sales". I actually like Microsoft's discovery initiatives. I think it's much clearer what's available on and on sale on XBL than PSN. It always has been. But the second it crosses the barrier from useful, contextual information that benefits me to someone paying to get my eyes, I don't want them. I don't want ads for Mountain Dew or Gilette or Wal-Mart. I don't want ads for videos I'm not going to rent, music I'm not going to buy, Call of Duty map packs I'd never pay for or use, or anything else I'm not asking for. I especially don't want ads for games I own. You already have my money, you don't need my eyes. If they offer an option to turn off ads, I'll check that option. If there was a reliable way to block the ads at my router, I'd do that too.

All that is fine as long as you realize you are in the EXTREME minority and that segment of the population will rarely be catered to.

 

[bigDdestruction]

i'd be totally fine with the XBL gold price if it included all those other subscription based services i.e. Netflix, hulu plus, etc. Or it should at least offer you like 3 choices out of all the subscription services. After getting my gaming rig and using steam, i honestly feel XBL is a total waste of money for what it offers.

 

[Curufinwe]

MS can't do anything if the breach isn't on their end. MS have gone above and beyond with regard to helping those affected by EA's shitty service. They've refunded everyone and in virtually all cases allowed those affected gamers to keep any and all content that was bought by those who illegally accessed their account.

This is more than any other company would do. This, to me shows that MS care a lot more about their customers than Sony or Valve or any other online gaming service provider. I'd even go so far as to say they are the Amazon of online gaming providers.

How do you know it is more than any other company would do?

How do you know Sony and Valve would not do the same thing if thousands upon thousands of their customers were having their accounts taken over and their credit cards and credit balances used?

 

[CREMSteve]

Since I stopped paying for Live, I haven't missed it.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

So they're using the benefits of ads and gold to give their userbase the "benefit" of being able to pay for extra maps a month earlier then the competence. Maybe, you know, they could use that money to give their userbase the benefit of paying that DLC cheaper (or making it free), instead of paying for delay the DLC in the other platforms. That could be directly benefiting.

MS isn't the only company who pays publishers to delay content to other systems and players. Both Sony and MS are guilty. The same question should be asked of all companies that support this practice.

 

[Esura]

All that is fine as long as you realize you are in the EXTREME minority and that segment of the population will rarely be catered to.

How can you determine if he is the extreme minority or not?

 

[rohlfinator]

The only ads I see in my life are billboards--and I consistently vote for city councillors that promote heritage and visual aesthetics over development and cash for the city--and on the internet, on sites where I choose not to block them. If the city put up a blanket ban on outdoor advertising (Sao Paolo, a city with a population of 11 million people, has a blanket ban on outdoor advertising) to a vote, I'd vote for it. They're litter. They're trash. They offer no value to anyone. There are less coercive, more cooperative ways to share information about your product with end consumers, when they initiate the transaction.

I don't have cable TV, I DVR public TV and skip the ads, I don't listen to commercial radio, I don't go to the cinema, I rip all my DVDs and Blus and thus don't see the unskippable ads. I don't have Hulu. When I do go to concerts, they're rarely the large Ticketmaster 100s-of-sponsors huge events. I don't use Facebook often or "like" any brands. I don't follow any companies on Twitter. I work for a university and so advertising does not determine or impact my job. I consistently express displeasure about corporate intrusion into the university, as it relates to advertising. I will never click on an ad. If I saw an ad for a game I wanted, I would open a new tab and Google that product. I will never be complicit in supporting this system.

I hate ads. They're not "everywhere". I won't get used to it. Whenever I'm able to avoid ads, I choose to do so. If they're still unfortunately required to prop up certain outlets, then that's truly a tragedy. I would rather pay for GAF than have to whitelist the ads here, but I understand that that's administrative overhead EL doesn't want to take on. If ever an option is allowed to pay to remove ads here or otherwise support the site in lieu of having to put up with ads, I will be the first person to register for it.

If your first response is "But what about ads for <xyz>?", my answer to that will be "I'd rather avoid them. If there's any alternative, I will." When Google Glasses gets more robust and feature-filled, I'll be first in line to help develop or pay for an application to block ads in real life.

I don't want ads on Xbox Live. I have no problem with promotional stuff in the store about current sales. I have no problem with the front page of Steam. I have no problem with "If you like X, you'll like Y". I have no problem with "Top Sales". I actually like Microsoft's discovery initiatives. I think it's much clearer what's available on and on sale on XBL than PSN. It always has been. But the second it crosses the barrier from useful, contextual information that benefits me to someone paying to get my eyes, I don't want them. I don't want ads for Mountain Dew or Gilette or Wal-Mart. I don't want ads for videos I'm not going to rent, music I'm not going to buy, Call of Duty map packs I'd never pay for or use, or anything else I'm not asking for. I especially don't want ads for games I own. You already have my money, you don't need my eyes. If they offer an option to turn off ads, I'll check that option. If there was a reliable way to block the ads at my router, I'd do that too.

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[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

I'm not going to apologise for ads because I hate them too.

But in the wider scheme of things, the 5 second forced YouTube ads (or even worse, the unskippable ones) are infinitely worse than the dashboard IMO. I barely even notice them, outside the fact that they are there.

 

[SouthernDragon]

I'm in the exact same situation as Stump, down the university job.

Ads, at this point, are bizarre on a personal level. As a business major I understand them, the business model, the context in which they exist.

But as a person, they just feel so weird. If I want something, I'll seek it out. Rarely, if ever, has an advertisement convinced me to purchase something.

 

[Stumpokapow]

All that is fine as long as you realize you are in the EXTREME minority and that segment of the population will rarely be catered to.

I'm catered to just fine on literally every other gaming service in all of history. I don't owe Microsoft anything. The amount of money I give Microsoft far exceeds the value of my eyes (100+ retail titles, Kinect and tons of games, 100+ XBLA titles).

As other services get better and Microsoft degrades the experience of their content consumers to serve their advertising consumers, I'm totally happy to re-evaluate my relationship with them.

In the mean time, it's okay for me to express my thoughts on MSs strategy here whether I'm profoundly average or very eclectic in my tastes and desires. There's nothing wrong with not being bothered by ads, but there's also nothing wrong with being bothered by ads and it's especially patronizing to hear that we shod "deal with it" because "that's how the world is".

 

[Stephen Colbert]

The second it isn't a paid service, service turns bad.

Lol, the service is atrocious!

Anyone who's been screwed by their auto renew scam, and how they reenable auto renew even after you turned it off, even if you haven't been on live for years can attest to this.

Not to mention the lack of dedicated servers and the lag tht stems from that. It's ridiculous that far more ps3 games feature dedicated servers than 360 games.

Anyone who defends Microsoft in regards to live fees is a chump.

 

[nel e nel]

Rarely, if ever, has an advertisement convinced me to purchase something.

We are that rare breed of people where Jedi Mind Tricks won't work on us.

 

[Tranced Shadow]

The iTunes interface itself, I mean.

The products themselves don't though. An iTunes account is free and, IIRC, the only ads on iTunes are for products being sold on iTunes. (Sorry for late response!)

 

[Uno Venova]

The products themselves don't though. An iTunes account is free and, IIRC, the only ads on iTunes are for products being sold on iTunes. (Sorry for late response!)

You would be hard pressed to find a company that does ads worse than microsoft as far as devices go.

 

[Digital Limit]

Lol, the service is atrocious!

Anyone who's been screwed by their auto renew scam, and how they reenable auto renew even after you turned it off, even if you haven't been on live for years can attest to this.

Don't raise cynical conspiracy theories. The only "scam" Microsoft has is that they opt you into auto-renewal like every other subscription service out there, and if you don't go out of your way to disable it or cancel your service before being billed, you're contractually out of luck. It sucks, and they could and should make it easier to not pay for Live.

That said, that is not a complaint someone who uses Xbox Live would have. It's a minority complaint for people who are already dissatisfied with the service and want to quit, e.g. http://thomashawk.com/2011/02/microsofts-sleazy-xbox-live-autorenewal-credit-card-scam.html He made a mistake and wants Microsoft's mercy. That's the extent of it.

Not to mention the lack of dedicated servers and the lag tht stems from that. It's ridiculous that far more ps3 games feature dedicated servers than 360 games.

Anyone who defends Microsoft in regards to live fees is a chump.

Dedicated servers are not something Microsoft or Sony take care of. Dedicated boxes are setup and taken down by the developer of any particular game. Battlefield 3, for instance, has dedicated servers not because of Microsoft, but because of EA. That's how all instances of dedicated servers work.

 

[Digital Limit]

In case there's any confusion, that's what people are outraged about.

Yup, it's a disaster. The sky is falling.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

Are you claiming that both Sony's and Nintendo's online service is profitable enough for it be self sustaining?

You know what, yes, both Sony and Nintendos online service is self sustaining.
Because an online service by itself has fuck all in the way of costs.

The things that cost money (account management, login servers, content delivery servers) are all required parts of a digital vendors costs; they want to sell you shit, and those are the fixed costs required to do that.

I cost MS just as much money on Silver as I would on Gold.

You can self-justify Gold costs as much as you want, but don't go implying that playing games online is super-fucking-expensive for a hardware manufacturer (moreso than the developers who actually make those games who aren't charging fees!) or that MS are super business savvy by offsetting those costs where Sony and Nintendo are corporate morons pissing money down a black hole they never even realised.

MS make a lot of profit on Live because every subscription is nearly pure profit. They then make a lot more by selling adverts to those self same people throwing money at them.

This is why people are annoyed.

EDIT:

Don't raise cynical conspiracy theories. The only "scam" Microsoft has is that they opt you into auto-renewal like every other subscription service out there, and if you don't go out of your way to disable it or cancel your service before being billed, you're contractually out of luck. It sucks, and they could and should make it easier to not pay for Live.

Ethical services make opting out of something as easy as opting in.

MicroSoft practice textbook Dark Patterns

 

[Uno Venova]

In case there's any confusion, that's what people are outraged about.

Yup, it's a disaster. The sky is falling.

Whoa it's gotten even worse, two extra boxes and more ads.

 

[Neuromancer]

Damn Stump, you really hate ads.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Geez, some guys are so adamant about defending poor mannered corporations it's almost like... GASP! they're emotionally invested on them!

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

In case there's any confusion, that's what people are outraged about.

Yup, it's a disaster. The sky is falling.

I'm bad at visual geometry, but that's what, like 85% of the interface being just ads?

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

In case there's any confusion, that's what people are outraged about.

Yup, it's a disaster. The sky is falling.

Actually, that worked. I didn't know there was a new Zuma. Gonna go DL the demo.

 

[Speedymanic]

I see two ads. Oh no! Sea of ads, etc, etc, etc.

 

[teh_pwn]

LOL MICRO$OFT AMIRITE!!!

Seriously, they're a business, they're supposed to make money, why are we grudging them the chance to make money? If someone wants to pay $350k for an advert, let them. It's their money.

The adverts really aren't intrusive beyond the first day. You'll know exactly where everything is to click to it without even looking, and if you want a game just type it into Bing and you'll have it in seconds. The only people bothered by adverts are the people that set out to notice them. Everyone else can just get on with life.

Also, your $60 is for online play and some TV stuff. It has LITERALLY NOTHING to do with advertising. There is no relation whatsoever.

Yeah...NO.

I love Microsoft Windows, and I don't pay subscriptions or get intrusive ads. The reason why the ads exist is because customers like you allow it to happen. It's completely irrelevant and unwarranted use of API.

If Windows was like this, I'd switch all my stuff to Linux.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

In case there's any confusion, that's what people are outraged about.

Yup, it's a disaster. The sky is falling.

New dashboard launches.

"WTF MS, where are the new Arcade games hidden?!"

Microsoft promotes new XBLA releases on frontpage of dashboard

"WTF MS get rid of these ads"

 

[Freeza Under The Shower]

In case there's any confusion, that's what people are outraged about.

Yup, it's a disaster. The sky is falling.

Some of you guys so adorable.

Where are your games? Oh right, you don't need those. That XBLA game you just bought? Well, good luck finding it under all that bullshit.


Here's what it used to be like:

And even the NXE was a few dashes away.

under the latest interface: where is your stuff exactly? Do you even know? (I wouldn't, I've barely even touched my Xbox360 since the new interface. Yes, it's somewhat faster in loading, but where the hell IS MY STUFF?

defending pre-Steve Jobs practices is adorable when it demonstrates the feeble, impressionable mind of a pre-teen or teenager. But it becomes even more adorable when you're an adult, reasoning on the level of a pre-teen.
I would love to have customers like you. I can do whatever the fuck I want, and you'll just swallow it. That's a good boy! That a good little puppy!

So Adorable.

 

[Uno Venova]

New dashboard launches.

"WTF MS, where are the new Arcade games hidden?!"

Microsoft promotes new XBLA releases on frontpage of dashboard

"WTF MS get rid of these ads"

Who did this.

I won't get an answer will I.

Some of you guys so adorable.

Where are your games? Oh right, you don't need those. That XBLA game you just bought? Well, good luck finding it under all that bullshit.


Here's what it used to be like:

And even the NXE was a few dashes away.

under the latest interface: where is your stuff exactly? Do you even know? (I wouldn't, I've barely even touched my Xbox360 since the new interface. Yes, it's somewhat faster in loading, but where the hell IS MY STUFF?

defending pre-Steve Jobs practices is adorable when it demonstrates the feeble, impressionable mind of a pre-teen or teenager. But it becomes even more adorable when you're an adult, reasoning on the level of a pre-teen.
I would love to have customers like you. I can do whatever the fuck I want, and you'll just swallow it. That's a good boy! That a good little puppy!

So Adorable.

Honestly, having your important things put for easy access on the start screen is overrated, I'd much rather have six tiles of adverts, it's a business after all.

 

[kadotsu]

New dashboard launches.

"WTF MS, where are the new Arcade games hidden?!"

Microsoft promotes new XBLA releases on frontpage of dashboard

"WTF MS get rid of these ads"

The problem (for me) with the XBOX ecosystem is that you can't leave the store. If this was the page that greeted me after I entered a theoretical XBL store I would be happy. Tell me about new stuff, deals DLC etc when I've chosen to buy shit. The way it is now content consumption and marketplace are too close together. It cheapens the overall experience for the costumer.

 

[TheOddOne]

Some of you guys so adorable.

Where are your games? Oh right, you don't need those. That XBLA game you just bought? Well, good luck finding it under all that bullshit.

Under: Games > My games.
Most recent: Home > Quickplay.

Done.

Who did this.

I won't get an answer will I.

Honestly, having your important things put for easy access on the start screen is overrated, I'd much rather have six tiles of adverts, it's a business after all.

I still find it hilarious how you show up in these threads. Yet, when somebody directly says something to you never reply.

 

[Nimajneb]

I see two ads. Oh no! Sea of ads, etc, etc, etc.

That's funny, I see five ads in this picture.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Has there ever been a thread on GAF that proposed how to not offend with advertisements while giving content providers a way to sell their wares in the marketplace? It doesn't seem possible to please everyone when it comes to the exclusive storefronts on consoles and dedicated handhelds, but how do you foster the level of sales publishers and developers need to succeed there without advertising of any kind. And when these marketplaces offer multimedia across the spectrum? And when they offer content sponsored by non-entertainment providers?

 

[Uno Venova]

I still find it hilarious how you show up in these threads. Yet, when somebody directly says something to you never reply.

I don't think that's true man.

And hilarious is a pretty strong word. Like you find that extremely funny? Do you like according to jim.

 

[BruiserBear]

I see two ads. Oh no! Sea of ads, etc, etc, etc.

It's fun to make our own definitions for things! You see two ads. Every other human being who's not invested in an argument sees 5.

Yeah...NO.

I love Microsoft Windows, and I don't pay subscriptions or get intrusive ads. The reason why the ads exist is because customers like you allow it to happen. It's completely irrelevant and unwarranted use of API.

If Windows was like this, I'd switch all my stuff to Linux.

Microsoft has literally had it demonstrated to them that most of their customer base just don't give a damn. Selling consoles with fatal flaws was welcomed for a couple years. Microsoft denied a problem. Finally admitted a problem only after being forced to, and they gained market share while all that happened.

It's kind if scary to think about, but these ads are just an extention of that psychology. They'll push the ads as far as they can, until they're forced to change.

Who did this.

I won't get an answer will I.
Honestly, having your important things put for easy access on the start screen is overrated, I'd much rather have six tiles of adverts, it's a business after all.

A few people have complained the marketplace is hard to sort through, so I guess that means we now need these ads. It's basically our fault they exist. We forced their hand.

 

[Nimajneb]

Has there ever been a thread on GAF that proposed how to not offend with advertisements while giving content providers a way to sell their wares in the marketplace? It doesn't seem possible to please everyone when it comes to the exclusive storefronts on consoles and dedicated handhelds, but how do you foster the level of sales publishers and developers need to succeed their without advertising of any kind. And when these marketplaces offer multimedia across the spectrum? And when they offer content sponsored by non-entertainment providers?

Steam does this just fine. It launches straight to the games list. If you click the store tab, you will see ads for the latest and most popular games. Movies and music sections could easily be added to the store page.

Only try to sell people games when they're looking to buy.

 

[TheOddOne]

I don't think that's true man.

And hilarious is a pretty strong word. Like you find that extremely funny? Do you like according to jim.

I true man, you are a true bait and switch artist

 

[Speedymanic]

That's funny, I see five ads in this picture.

you're wrong.

Two ads, three new content related promos/info blasts.

You've fallen into the trap of thinking that new content blasts are ads, they are not.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Under: Games > My games.
Most recent: Home > Quickplay.

Done.

Yeah, that was a pretty poor example. I use Quickplay pretty much exclusively.

 

[BruiserBear]

you're wrong.

Two ads, three new content related promos/info blasts.

You've fallen into the trap of thinking that new content blasts are ads, they are not.

Promos and info blasts.

Otherwise known as.....advertisements.

 

[Durante]

That's funny, I see five ads in this picture.

I thought I was the only one.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

I am failing to see what the "ugly" part about this is?

Spoiler

Apart form the fact that XBL should be free