Yes, he is a nutbag.
The Dark Knight Rises |OT| The Legend Ends (Warning: Unmarked Spoilers Within)
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Yes, he is a nutbag.
Future Foundation
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Where the fuck did this TDK/Bush thing come from? This isn't the first time I've heard it, and, forgive me for being dim, I don't really see the connection.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I'm expecting this to be the best of the three. I hope it's more rewatchable than BB. I like it, but I find it hard to rewatch in its entirety.
So hyped to see Bale, Anne, and Tom.
So hyped to see Bale, Anne, and Tom.
Tallshortman
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I just now noticed the name of his website. Yeah I don't know who the hell would go a site called badass digest.
Not on a first name basis with Bale yet?
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Well...
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Even their years in office are similar! It's like poetry.
No, not yet. It feels like it'd be hard to approach him for some reason. He'll always be Bale to me.
The movie deals with terrorism, so naturally people try to graft their political views on it, sometimes a bit forcefully. Often to everyone's annoyance.
Based on the reviews I've read about some political/social elements in TDKR, I think we are in for a bit of deja vu with people writing articles about it and overanalyzing it.
ShipTheCheese
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Reviews are pretty much what I expected, but I'm staying the hell away from Todd McCarthy. Guys even worse than Ebert when it comes to spoiling movies in his reviews.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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It's funny, cause TDK doesn't take either a left or right wing stance on the issue. It simply portrays the real fear and lengths a real city might go to in the event of a terrorist attack.
I usually see the TDK/Bush thing when conservatives are trying to praise it as a 'conservative' film. That shows that things like torture, surveillance, etc can be used to effectively combat and stop terrorism.
I also see it when Liberals are making the opposite argument. That the film is actually a Bush critique. Stuff like how the torture scenes never reveal and useful information, etc.
Personally, I think people are just reading way too into it. I think Nolan's even said before that the movie doesn't have any intentional political subtext.
(Plus I find it hard to imagine that a Democratic senator would cameo in a film that's supposedly praising Bush.)
That when Tony Stark has a party, there will be a throwdown.
Happened in Iron Man, happened in Iron Man 2, happened in Avengers, will happen over and over again.
RBelong2Us
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Variety and HR both read like 10s, which is pretty huge. The two biggest trade papers.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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NotTheGuyYouKill
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Don't... don't read the Hollywood Reporter review. Just don't do it. It's positive. All you need to know. Too many spoilers (though I had suspected a few of them, a couple of them were new to me).
The film paints a very obvious moral question with Bat using a tech that Freeman's character calls wrong. It's destroyed at the end as a way to show putting ones trust in someone deserves rewards. I can see where someone would draw the parallels. Though to suggest it endorses Bush is strange. You can draw parallels in batman begins with Sodom and Gomorrah too.
I agree with this. I think Nolan is simply interested in exploring what Batman's actions might mean in a world like ours - one that has ethics and political implications to consider.
And, from the sound of HitFix's TDKR review, how these actions affect Bruce as well.
That said, the terrorism stuff in TDK is a bit heavy-handed at times, so I can see why people try to latch onto what they believe is its message.
ShipTheCheese
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Todd McCarthy, worse than Ebert.
I'm not touching that review with a 10 foot pole.
Future Foundation
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Completely agree. The closest to the "real world" the movie gets is capturing the sense of malice and uncertainty that terrorism brings. The other left or right wing elements are practically window dressing that cancel each other out.
From what I know of the plot, you're right; there's going to be plenty for people of all political colors to claim this as their own.
Yeah, he practically lays out the progression of the first two-thirds of the film.
Unnecessarily might I add.
Some reviewers have a personal vendetta. Avengers was the underdog nobody expected to be good, and it's the sort of film you can ironically enjoy for being what it is. My bet is that he enjoys to hate the TDK trilogy more than he loves to love Avengers. It's a smokescreen for hating on fanboys.
RBelong2Us
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Man, still can't get over Devin's thoughts. Silly and entertaining? Thats exactly what Avengers is, throughout.
Epic troll.
Epic troll.
I'm pretty sure he's said as much. He hates Batman and his fans even more.
Anyway, I'm not going to give this issue any more lip service than he deserves, especially because we'll be talking about him all over again in 24-48 hours when he posts his certain-to-be condescending review.
ShipTheCheese
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I'm out too, with assholes like McCarthy and soon Ebert, this place is getting too dangerous.
See you guys Saturday!
See you guys Saturday!
Yeah because that really helped earlier on in the thread, didn't it. Heh
Patriot Act = Unethical sonar experiment
(Soundtrack discussion)
I've always heard that the 2 note Batman "theme" was unfinished because he wasn't the complete hero yet, but it almost seems like 1:13 through 1:58 of "Risen From Darkness" expands on that and possibly continues the theme, to be finished with the rest of the track. It seems to sound like a credits sort of track and the title fits, but I'm just throwing things around in the dark. This is just pure guessing, nothing more, but we'll obviously find out in a matter of days!
I have a coworker who always wants this supposed connection to be the main topic whenever Dark Knight is brought up, and it annoys me to no end. From what I've found online, the argument always stems from this article in the Wall Street Journal (surprise!). I think it's fine to draw up comparisons between the movie and the war on terror, but there will forever be a segment of Bush supporters who think the movie is literally about George W. Bush and was made by a group of underground Hollywood conservatives who can't "take off their masks and speak plainly in the light of day."
Last, and certainly not least, is
. To say anything specific about his role is to give away integral parts of the movie. Suffice to say, he is by far the best supporting character of any of the three Nolan Batman films, eclipsing that of the venerable Michael Caine as Alfred Pennyworth.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman_movies/news/?a=63670
Oh wow.
lmk if this is a huge spoiler. And don't highlight it for the love of god.
fellow Inception-alumnus Joseph Gordon-Levitt
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman_movies/news/?a=63670
Oh wow.
lmk if this is a huge spoiler. And don't highlight it for the love of god.
I got spoiled by an asshole on youtube, suffice to say it is
quite underwhelming.
Messofanego
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So basically avoid all reviews because none of them are actually professionals about spoilers?
I got spoiled. So yes, avoid them.
I'd take it this is something nobody should highlight?Good Lord.
The interesting thing here is it seems to imply that Avengers isn't pretty silly, entertaining and thematically hollow.
All these reviews got me hyped though. Seeing it tomorrow so will give just a reaction as opposed to a review.
yeah, People are expecting something grandeur to happen at the end. I remember everyone talked about District 9 and it's crazy ending, so I went in expecting to come out changed for life and ended up with empty feeling and disappointment. I believe expectations will either make or break the movie.
Don'tBeWeird
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And applauded?
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