The Dark Knight Rises |OT| The Legend Ends (Warning: Unmarked Spoilers Within)

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That doesn't make sense, nearly every single one of the 130 reviews apart from 1-2 have said the closure is perfect or near perfect.


Also RT has gone from 86 to 87 with 134 reviews

This is crazy talk. If someone was saying that RT < The Avengers people would say it it's irrelevant but it's okay to judge to these same critics when it comes to the ending. Just make your own opinion on the ending, it's okay if someone does like it as much as you (hypothetically) will.
 
Holy shit the four year wait was totally worth it. It really is, as they say, the perfect ending.

The first third of the film felt a little disjointed to me, but once Bane's plan unfolded, it was completely flawless.

Absolutely love the Bat Cat interactions, couldn't ask for more.

Oh and the callbacks to the previous films, especially BB was utilised perfectly.
 
I disagree because (spoiling impressions in case, though not revealing anything in particular)
I don't feel like the film earned it's ending. Certainly what happens would have hit home a lot harder if the moments leading up to it felt genuine and not forced, but they rang hollow and ultimately failed to properly prepare me for the ending payoff.

I understand why you disagree, it's just that I don't happen to agree with you. It's interesting that you don't think the film earned its ending. It felt like the film had been leading up to its conclusion over the course of 3 films and felt like the most natural thing in the world. I expect that saying any more wouldn't be appropriate (in this thread, at least).

I get the feeling that this one is going to sharply divide GAF.
 
At this point I'm tired of all the reviews and just want to see the movie already to see for myself. I'm gonna go in with no hype, no real spoilers, and I'm going go in as awake as possible.
 
This is crazy talk. If someone was saying that RT < The Avengers people would say it it's irrelevant but it's okay to judge to these same critics when it comes to the ending. Just make your own opinion on the ending, it's okay if someone does like it as much as you (hypothetically) will.

im not talking about a score, im talking a general consensus from more than 99% of reviewers regarding the ending. I will likely tell tommorow night where my consensus lies
 
At this point I'm tired of all the reviews and just want to see the movie already to see for myself. I'm gonna go in with no hype, no real spoilers, and I'm going go in as awake as possible.

Same, I feel like i've been living and breathing Batman for an unhealthy amount of time, I just wanna see the damn movie. Saturday can't come fast enough!
 
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Same, I feel like i've been living and breathing Batman for an unhealthy amount of time, I just wanna see the damn movie. Saturday can't come fast enough!
I have to wait for wednesday 00:01.

Goddamnit. Should have been a world wide release.
 
im not talking about a score, im talking a general consensus from more than 99% of reviewers regarding the ending

I'm not trying to be mean. I'm just saying who cares what the general consensus is or if someone disagrees? All that matter is how YOU enjoy the movie. People wrapped up in Metacritic or RT blow my mind. As you can tell from the last page I liked Cap. Apparently a lot of people didn't. Still doesn't change how I view it. Im just saying relax and look forward to tomorrow. I know I am.
 
So I re-watched Batman Begins and The Dark Knight over the past two days and read this thread with a page or two as a buffer zone to avoid potential spoilers. Roughly 24 hours from now I'll be coming out of the theatre but in the meantime I guess I'll chip in on the Begins/TDK discussion with a couple points. My opinion and all that.

- The dialogue is definitely worse in Begins than The Dark Knight but the first film handles Batman as a character better. Gordon, Dent, and the Joker really shine in TDK and I like Nolan's take on the Batman-Joker dynamic. But Begins gives us a real emotional connection between Bruce and Alfred that doesn't transfer over to the second movie as well. Bruce and Fox have this nice understated connection that works but we go from teary-eyed Alfred driving Bruce home in Begins to what feels like a rather nonchalant butler in TDK. The Rises trailers show a more concerned Alfred so I'm looking forward to that.

- I love the sequences in Begins when Batman takes out thugs one at a time like in the Narrows and when Falcone's men are checking on the drug shipment. Bats sneaking up on and knocking out a pissing thug is a great little moment for me whereas in TDK it seems like he runs into most of his fights fists blazing&#8212;Ra's would be so disappointed. The costume is better in The Dark Knight, but I feel like Batman himself is better in his origin movie as a stealthy character who prays on fear. But at the same time, I like the action sequences in TDK like in Hong Kong and the final SWAT clash that don't necessarily rely as much on stealth.

- After a really solid first half, parts of Begins' last stretch feel a bit "by-the-numbers" if that makes sense. "Oh no! The love interest is in trouble! Uh-oh! The villain is about to take his weapon to the centre of the city! We have to stop him before he gets there!" The final fight with Ra's and the chaos in the Narrows are wonderful though; I feel like the more "comic booky" aesthetic there has a certain charm that wasn't as powerful in TDK. The IMAX shots of the latter are glorious but the Narrows and the monorail are lovely in the first. But the "sir... our uh... microwave emitter was stolen" scene is terrible and embodies an artificial element of Nolan's more grounded, serious film.

And one other tidbit for each film:

- I believe it was Solo's posts that ruined the "Ra's al Ghul impostor at the party" sequence for me. The lady clearly stays right there while Bruce calls out the fake and Ducard comes over, then heads off with the fake Ra's in the background. This and "no more dead cops" are better than Nolan's comic relief.

- I don't get why Batman left Scarecrow with the wannabe Batmen and just gave them a collective "don't let me find you out here again." They wanted to catch Crane at the end of Begins... The man played an instrumental role in the "destroy the city" plot as well as giving Rachel a would-be lethal dose of his fear gas and lighting Batman himself on fire but Batman doesn't seem to give a damn. Is Scarecrow the drug dealer that much of a joke now? Does Bruce feel it's better to let him mess up the druggies in Gotham than turn him in? Will Bane be leading a bunch of fear-gassed addicts in Rises? I don't even know.

Uh, so this post turned out to be longer than I expected. I guess I'm a little excited... Going to go full blackout tomorrow though, so unless someone spoils me in the next half hour or at the theatre I'm going in with only the trailers.
 
I'm not trying to be mean. I'm just saying who cares what the general consensus is or if someone disagrees? All that matter is how YOU enjoy the movie. People wrapped up in Metacritic or RT blow my mind. As you can tell from the last page I liked Cap. Apparently a lot of people didn't. Still doesn't change how I view it. Im just saying relax and look forward to tomorrow. I know I am.

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Oh wait, sorry, I mean "Death threat! DEATH THREATS ALL AROUND!"
 
I'm excited for this movie but it's a HUUUUUGE unknown for me.

I hated Begins, and LOVED Dark Knight, so I have no idea what's in store.
 
I'm excited for this movie but it's a HUUUUUGE unknown for me.

I hated Begins, and LOVED Dark Knight, so I have no idea what's in store.
I'm surprised how someone can hate Begins, but to each his own i guess.

I'm in the boat TDK < BB but i still loved Begins.
 
I'm excited for this movie but it's a HUUUUUGE unknown for me.

I hated Begins, and LOVED Dark Knight, so I have no idea what's in store.

How does one hate the first film, and manage to love the second? There's so much similarity in tone, theme, style, story. I don't get it.
 
While I would say I enjoyed TDK more than BB. The scenes with Ra's and Bruce/Bats are my favorite of the whole series. Two of my favorite actors full of awesome, the training scene in films are so overdone but the one in BB is pure classic
 
While I would say I enjoyed TDK more than BB. The scenes with Ra's and Bruce/Bats are my favorite of the whole series. Two of my favorite actors full of awesome, the training scene in films are so overdone but the one in BB is pure classic

The training scene in BB is waaay too short.
 
The training scene in BB is waaay too short.

Nope, it was perfectly timed with Neeson's monologue. Wouldn't have had it any other way.

Does anyone know when Banes dialogue got redone (or remanipulated)? Does he sound the same in the prologue as originally shown as he does in the prologue of the released movie?

Confirmed to be much clearer almost to a fault since at times critics have mentioned he's louder than everything else around him if that makes sense.
 
Does anyone know when Banes dialogue got redone (or remanipulated)? Does he sound the same in the prologue as originally shown as he does in the prologue of the released movie?

His dialogue is clearer compared to the Prologue shown before MI4.

The finished audio mix in the Prologue is now about 50% easier to understand.

Throughout the film, I found that I understood about 80% of Bane's dialogue. It's only when the action is loud and furious that I missed some snippets.
 
Confirmed to be much clearer almost to a fault since at times critics have mentioned he's louder than everything else around him if that makes sense.

His dialogue is clearer compared to the Prologue shown before MI4.

The finished audio mix in the Prologue is now about 50% easier to understand.

Throughout the film, I found that I understood about 80% of Bane's dialogue. It's only when the action is loud and furious that I missed some snippets.

That's actually reassuring to know as I enjoy Hardys acting and line reads, it was just hard to understand.
 
I missed quite a bit of Bane's dialogue. And yeah, his audio sounds completely removed from everybody else in the scene. It sounds like it should be narration but it's not in terms of the source of the sound on screen.

I swear Nolan needs to find a new ADR team. Fucking awful.
 
I missed quite a bit of Bane's dialogue. And yeah, his audio sounds completely removed from everybody else in the scene. It sounds like it should be narration but it's not in terms of the source of the sound on screen.

I swear Nolan needs to find a new ADR team. Fucking awful.
That's what it's seemed like ever since the more recent trailers started coming out. He seemed harder to understand in the prologue, but the final result seems weird.
 
First one comic booky, second one crime drama. That's really all there is to it.
Man, I feel like boiling either film down to either of those terms does them both an injustice.
The first one was dull for long long stretches to get to to a forgone event.
We differ greatly on a definition of dull.
They are actually starkly different films in... well.. tone, theme and story.
You're right, they're quite different in each department. I'm exhausted and it's late and I ain't thinking terribly critically. I know that I have a lot of trouble separating films in a series from one another, and usually view them as one universe, and one story, especially when one director/writer governs the series as a whole. TDK and BB strengthen one another for me; I can't imagine having a wildly different opinion of the two of them.
 
Bane isn't scary at all really.

Scarecrow, Joker, Bane. All men with masks and yet Bane's covers half his face. Hardy does his best with eyes and voice alone, but ultimately it's not enough to create a truly frightening villain.
 
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great post

The dialogue is definitely worse in Begins than The Dark Knight

I think jonathan Nolan added alot to the series and to Nolan movies, you can see the steep leap of TDK over BB on this regard

the first film handles Batman as a character better. Gordon, Dent, and the Joker really shine in TDK

I think it all revolves around the character development, Dent was the shinning star here, but Heath with his briliance performance steal the show from him, Batman we fully developed and in TDK we are just living the concequenses of the existance of Batman in Gotham.

Bats sneaking up on and knocking out a pissing thug is a great little moment for me whereas in TDK it seems like he runs into most of his fights fists blazing—R'as would be so disappointed

That's also what I don't like about TDK, the stealth was the best thing about batman in BB

overall I love both the same, in some aspects TDK and the others BB
 
Bane isn't scary at all really.

Scarecrow, Joker, Bane. All men with masks and yet Bane's covers half his face. Hardy does his best with eyes and voice alone, but ultimately it's not enough to create a truly frightening villain.

Who said Bane must be scary? Nolan said this in an interview:

Batman Begins = Fear

The Dark Knight = Chaos

The Dark Knight Rises = Pain

They didn't wanted a villain who is frightening or so they wanted one who can physically go up against Batman and Bane was the best choice.
 
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