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Because I don't care about spoilers? I honestly don't understand people that care that much... I read LOTR 15 times before i saw the movies and still really enjoyed them.
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Because I don't care about spoilers? I honestly don't understand people that care that much... I read LOTR 15 times before i saw the movies and still really enjoyed them.
I think I could have done without the overt Robin reference.
Bane didn't seem to be a big secret or anything. The CIA was running around the world trying to get him. He was known to have orchestrated a coup in Africa. It seemed like information that would be perfectly out in the open if you were so inclined to read news about upheaval, terrorism, etc in the developing world.
Bane didn't seem to be a big secret or anything. The CIA was running around the world trying to get him. He was known to have orchestrated a coup in Africa. It seemed like information that would be perfectly out in the open if you were so inclined to read news about upheaval, terrorism, etc in the developing world.
Bruce didn't know shit about anything at that point. He didn't know what was going on with his own company, let alone the world beyond it.
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Why does this seem like a spoiler thread where everyone is tip towing?
Cmon man spill everything!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cmon man spill everything!!!!!!!!!!!!
Was he alive or was it Inception?
Expendable.
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It was terrible. Undercut the whole trilogy. Loved the rest of the ending, but don't know why Nolan needed that.
... so he was alive?
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That's what I took it as. But I can see how someone interprets it as Alfred's wish for Wayne. I don't think there's enough in the movie to support that though.
THE DREAM IS REAL.
It's definitely real, which is why Selina is there I think. I kind of knew when Alfred first said it, that would be the end. Caine played it well enough for me to ignore any over-sentimentality.
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No, Dagget used Bruce's prints and Bane went to the stock exchange to buy lots of shitty stocks in Bruce's name to bankrupt him.
At that point Bruce wasn't a Wayne Enterprises board member anymore and so his prints weren't one of the keys for the reactor.
Haha I liked that guy.
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I'd like to list down some of my own oh shiii scenes before I forget them:
- the Bat entering the Batcave and those awesome rising platforms
- Bruce in the suit with the cowl off looked amazing
- the first time we see Bruce - after all the talk about how he had turned recluse; and there's BB's theme playing - I got chills
- maid Selina's demeanor completely changing once she got caught - 'Oops'
- Bruce's first words when he returned as Batman: 'They know' (to Catwoman when he was saving her), sounded like BB's 'swear to me' - scary and cool as hell
- Catwoman's little fangirl moment as she heard news of Batman's return while she was cracking a safe - 'Well whaddaya know...'
- Catwoman using those heels
- Alfred: 'This is the only thing I can do...' :sobs:
- seeing all those toys in the Bat-bunker
- Batman using smokebombs and batarangs - tranquilizer batarangs!!
- the whole Selina-SWAT team scene
- whenever Selina's calm and uncaring demeanor cracks because of Bruce
- the whole Bat and armored truck chase scene, and it crashing onto a lower street
- the secret circle at the Waynes gravesite
- Bruce's first public appearance after so long and he gets hounded by the press - he fumbles with something in his hands and all the cameras go dark
- Anyone can be a hero, even the simple act of putting a coat around a child to assure him that the world hasn't ended (wish I had the exact quote)
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Some nitpicks:
- There's a really poor sense of time in the second act. When Morgan Freeman says "we have 12 hours left" I nearly screamed "what?!" Lots of wasted potential in section of the film as well, we never really see actual citizens rising up. Just the criminals, I think.
- Lots of overexplanation. Cut out the Harvey Dent flashbacks and the guy going "It detonated!" right after the bomb detonated. And lots of dialogue in the pit was way too obvious and heavy handed.
- Not sure how I felt about seeing Tom Hardy's face. It kind of undercuts the mystery, but it also humanizes him which was much needed after his hilarious voice removes any real menace.
Also, I got nerd chills when Batman comes back for the first time in his Tumblr in that chase. That rarely happens to me, so thank you Nolan.
- There's a really poor sense of time in the second act. When Morgan Freeman says "we have 12 hours left" I nearly screamed "what?!" Lots of wasted potential in section of the film as well, we never really see actual citizens rising up. Just the criminals, I think.
- Lots of overexplanation. Cut out the Harvey Dent flashbacks and the guy going "It detonated!" right after the bomb detonated. And lots of dialogue in the pit was way too obvious and heavy handed.
- Not sure how I felt about seeing Tom Hardy's face. It kind of undercuts the mystery, but it also humanizes him which was much needed after his hilarious voice removes any real menace.
Also, I got nerd chills when Batman comes back for the first time in his Tumblr in that chase. That rarely happens to me, so thank you Nolan.
This is true. Would loved to have made it out like Bruce was in the pit for months while citizens died and policemen died of starvation etc, etc.
Liked all the dialogue in the pit, but agree about the majority of the flashbacks. Only the one with Bruce's father and all the Ra's ones were necessary.
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Nolan is no Bay. He's done. You can already tell in TDKR that he's slightly losing interest.
I didn't mind the flashbacks since so much time had passed. It helped punctuate the characters remembering distant events, not stuff that had just happened.
Various bits about the denouement don't quite please me, at least in execution, although I'm not sure I have a problem with the ideas.
I feel bad for Alfred. The way he's tossed out, then grieving, and he just gets a smile and nod from Bruce. He deserves better than that.
Bale's openness basically amounts to "it ain't happening, unless hell freezes over and Nolan decides to do another."
Various bits about the denouement don't quite please me, at least in execution, although I'm not sure I have a problem with the ideas.
I feel bad for Alfred. The way he's tossed out, then grieving, and he just gets a smile and nod from Bruce. He deserves better than that.
Bale's openness basically amounts to "it ain't happening, unless hell freezes over and Nolan decides to do another."
This won't be the last time we hear this.
It'll be MGS4 "Snake should have shot himself" all over again.
CosmicGroinPull
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Err he gets whatever's left of Bruce's fortune. (while Bruce will be living on Selina's money, lol)
Seriously what's up with that? How much do you want him to suffer?
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I felt it would have been a little too obvious for Bruce to die, though. The whole movie was characters telling him he wouldn't be satisfied until he died. The only way to save his soul was for him to realize he should keep living. But it's not 'artsy' enough if the main character doesn't die, right?
Having Bruce/Batman die far in the distance would have been disappointing. If he had to die, I'd want it to be more personal and intimate.
But in the situation that was presented, c'mon. Prep time, baby!
But in the situation that was presented, c'mon. Prep time, baby!
Do you really think money matters to Alfred? Or that it makes him better about how things ended with Bruce? Or vice versa, that Bruce thinks money will repair their relationship? I think the inheritance is entirely besides the point.
Yeah, I would mostly agree with that.
CosmicGroinPull
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How about that it shows Bruce thinks of him as his only remaining family?
Also, I'm pretty sure Bruce tracked Alfred down in Italy and chose to appear before him (together with Selina) to let him know he's fine, it's most certainly not a coincidence.
But yeah, I agree that even if Alfred said he's happy with that much, they should have stayed together, although that's left to our imagination and I'm fine with that.
Exactly. It seems borderline sadistic to want him to never find peace.
This guy has had a shit life. I think he's earned the right to live.
Thought the movie was average. Bain wasn't a great badguy, and hated how you didn't see him after the being blasted by the bat bike, he was practically forgotten from that point on.
The whole firey batman logo on the bridge thing was just strange, would have taken ages to set that up, and then batman plants a flare and comes pouncing along the ice like nobody's business to get gordon to light it. All to send a signal? silly stuff.
edit: and why the hell was bruce doing a standing jump when escaping the pit, if you're falling short bruce, maybe you need a running start!!
The whole firey batman logo on the bridge thing was just strange, would have taken ages to set that up, and then batman plants a flare and comes pouncing along the ice like nobody's business to get gordon to light it. All to send a signal? silly stuff.
edit: and why the hell was bruce doing a standing jump when escaping the pit, if you're falling short bruce, maybe you need a running start!!
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It was awesome, definitely didn't feel as full on as TDK but I thought it was a great ending. So much stuff going through my head about it. I still cant believe I didn't see the twist with Talia coming, when you think about it, it was pretty obvious.
Only issue I had was Bane's voice, still had problems understanding him some of the time
Only issue I had was Bane's voice, still had problems understanding him some of the time
Liquidsnake
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Fucking hell that last ones a nitpick.
The reason you don't see Bane again is because he's dead.
The reason Batman needed to show the Batsignal was to demoralise the rebels and Bane and to motivate the police.
I'm not sure that was even in question, even with their parting ways.
Of course, it was certainly intentional. But considering Alfred really was the last member of his family, it seems a damned shame to just let it go at that.
Sure, that's possible. Perhaps I'd have preferred Bruce to wave him over or something. As much as Alfred may have fantasized about just seeing him alive and well, in reality I have a hard time seeing that ever being enough.
I just assumed he was dead. He's tough, but I'm not sure he's tough enough to take a rocket or two to the chest and keep going. I do wish Batman had been the one to take down Bane, however. On the other hand, there's something to be said for Bruce winning the day by bringing more people into his world and not having to do everything himself.Dwayne said:
Eh, it's no more silly and implausible than half the stuff the Joker got away with.
I've got a ton more.
Oh, because he looked real dead when they showed him dead.
Police were still underground at this point(?). Anyway, i'm just pointing out what an over the top preparation it would have been.
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He went flying against the wall at a million miles per hour and slumped. Then it cut to Selina.
You honestly thought he was just knocked out? Hahahahaha
Sorry, what was the source material for the movie again? comic books?
This neither proves nor strengthens your argument.
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I assumed he just died, but given the nature of the source material, wouldn't have been surprised if he didnt...
In Nolan Batman? Really? Seems like the stupid argument that Ra's was alive because you didn't see his body, and Dent was alive because a fall from there didn't kill Batman!
Is this the same movie where batman gets horrifically stabbed in the chest, gets up, walks over to the op bat, begins flying it, somehow gets out, navigates the city on foot with a massive wound and presumably gets himself to medical care on his own two feet? Anything is possible in a comic book movie.
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Ok sorry. I wasn't thinking of holding any of those opinions, but because you've made that decision for me I guess it's official.
Got stabbed in the side with a small knife. It hurts, sure. But it seemed manageable.
Bane got hit with two rockets basically in the face. And you presumed he was still alive and they just left him there and didn't wrap up his ending?
SCULLIBUNDO
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Man, the Rhas flashback could have been handled better.
I'm talking mainly about the way he looks. He should have been dressed and groomed as Wayne remembered him. Don't know where he got that pimp fucking suit in Bruce's imagination.
And as for people talking about whether the flashbacks were too much throughout the film - there are better ways than a lazy flashback. I would have liked to hear the dialogue from those flashbacks being played over the top of the events they inform instead. That would have been much more powerful and resonant than breaking up the pacing for a INCASE YOU DIDN'T KNOW moment.
I'm talking mainly about the way he looks. He should have been dressed and groomed as Wayne remembered him. Don't know where he got that pimp fucking suit in Bruce's imagination.
And as for people talking about whether the flashbacks were too much throughout the film - there are better ways than a lazy flashback. I would have liked to hear the dialogue from those flashbacks being played over the top of the events they inform instead. That would have been much more powerful and resonant than breaking up the pacing for a INCASE YOU DIDN'T KNOW moment.
That's okay, you didn't have to hold those opinions. But to me thinking Bane was alive because it's a comic book movie is exactly the same argument as the other two.
You'd already stated you didn't believe that Bane was alive. I know that. But because it's a comic book Nolan's just going to forget what he's set up in the first two? Nah.
That's not what I said, I just said they didn't show him dead, it doesn't mean I presume he's alive, but it does leave the door open to the possibility which I didn't like.
I reward you a defense force badge.
Haha defense force? For someone being hit with two rockets and you saying you "hated how you didn't see him after the being blasted by the bat bike, he was practically forgotten from that point on"?
That most certainly implies you thought he was alive, not just a possibility.
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To anyone who remember walking out of TDK with a smile saying wow what did I just see....
What were you thinking when you left TDKR?
What were you thinking when you left TDKR?
Huh? When Ra's first met Bruce in the prison he was wearing a slick grey suit. I can't recall exactly how similar they were, but yeah.
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It ends on a strong note (aside from the one snafu), so it's pretty epic. But then when you start going over details, some things fall apart.
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