FlashbladeGAF
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Nolan's Batman isn't anywhere close to being the detective the books are and thats just one out of several aspects of the character they didnt delve into.
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Nolan's Batman isn't anywhere close to being the detective the books are and thats just one out of several aspects of the character they didnt delve into.
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rollingstart
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More or less, yeah. There's a good deal of fair criticism of this movie. "It's not the one I imagined," is...an unusual perspective, to say the least. Like, what's the response to that? It's not that I don't understand, but it's something you can't really refute.
And I like the return of the Jedi analogy, even if it doesn't entirely line up (and I never cared for rotj).
Spectral Glider
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The problem for me with it isn't that Alfred knows it, it's that it's something that I'd more have enjoyed if Batman was doing. The only "detecting" Batman really does in this movie is figuring out who stole his mother's necklace, and that's because it basically happens in front of him.
BruceLeeRoy
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That's a better way of putting it actually. "Boring" is doing it a dis-service since the story is actually a really great idea that just doesn't flow well.
I would be fine with having less batman if he actually did anything of note the whole time your watching it. The fight in the sewers was excellent but was pretty much the only action scene that I would consider well done.
I will say though the last 20 minutes was excellent and I wasn't expecting any of it at all. When they first showed Marion Cotillard I immediately thought Talia, but Nolan does such a good job misdirecting you I never suspected the relationship between her and Bane and that legitimately shocked me.
Also cast was fantastic. Levitt and even Hathaway were soooo good. I loved Catwoman.
Superimposer
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Was anyone here for the most recent account suicide in the OT and read what the guy actually typed? I know some people tried to reassure us that that stuff wasn't true, but I honestly can't remember what he typed. I just wanna see if it was true after all.
TheKaeptain
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Excuse me but we live in a world where New York New York exist.
vas_a_morir
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He also uses the computer that stole his money to figure some shit out, too. But yeah, not much detecting.
This is a total strawman. I don't think anybody's even said that.
This movie has writing, pacing, tonal, directing, and even acting problems. There have been lengthy posts devoted to it.
Maybe. TBH I think they managed to keep the city in line with the previous two films, even though it wasn't Chicago. It still looked like Nolan's Gotham.
apocalidiot
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This dude started chuckling uncontrollably when he said that (people were already giggling during the National Anthem for whatever reason)
... It doesn't really focus on the upper/lower class struggle too much.
Besides, it was written long before the Occupy movement, so it doesn't have a say on it.
Pretty good, not great. Bane is no Joker, although they did as much as they could with him. Utterly predictable from start to finish, telegraphs all its punches, didn't surprise me once, which disappointed me. TDK had some nice twists and turns, but TDKR felt like waiting for the plot points to arrive once they were set up earlier in the film. The Good Will Hunting story from Alfred was such an obvious last shot setup that it practically landed with a "CLUNK!" on the theater floor.
I'd put it on par with Begins, maybe a little above it. Begins is a much tighter film but TDKR has more meat to it. I will forever wonder what TDKR would have been had Ledger not drugged himself to death like an idiot.
I'd put it on par with Begins, maybe a little above it. Begins is a much tighter film but TDKR has more meat to it. I will forever wonder what TDKR would have been had Ledger not drugged himself to death like an idiot.
WrenchNinja
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Why do we Fall? Is the best track in the movie. Just gives me chills seeing Bruce make the jump and helping the prisoners.
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Neither. It's used as a sham for those in power.
It's more of a very basic interpretation of the French Revolution. Public courts, social upheaval and so on.
Was anyone but me expecting to hear the "Why do we fall Bruce?" line from Thomas Wayne during Bruce's first attempt out of the pit? They pretty much matched the shot one to one of Bruce on the rope with his dad coming down the well. Guess they wanted to save it for the 2nd time he tried where they actually show the clip.
As a singer, I noticed the kid got off-pitch at certain points.
It was also kinda corny.
This isn't a big fucking deal so please don't mischaracterize this post as being some damning criticism.
REALLY corny.
Freyjadour
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What part of any of this trilogy can be labeled as "unpredictable"? Such a nonsensical complaint given the context.
BruceLeeRoy
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I went to the midnight showing where the coked out 15 year olds are looking for any excuse to clap, or yell out with their Batman masks on. Outside of Scarecrow's cameo(Which was excellent) and the ending brilliance. I can't recall any other times that the audience really got into it.
Auron_Kale
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It looked in line with Nolan's Gotham, but seeing the NYC banner on one of the lampposts was interesting to say the least.
Sorcerer
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I dont know about you guys but the film is great. Better than TDK.
Ending was justified.
And for all we know Alfred might have just been hallucinating. Nolan doing an Inception thing.
I wanna say it was a scam so Bruce could quit being Batman, but Alfred was emotional and was by himself so I doubt it was an act.
Then I wanna say that scene is in the future, Alfred has passed away and he is in a sort of heaven where he meets Bruce again. But that does not explain Selina being there, I guess she could have passed on but the film does not point to that.
And Robin, is he on his own without Alfred or Bruce? I know its over for Nolan and this story won't continue but its strange to think about.
Also I know its a Batman story, but if you go in thinking its really Bruce Waynes story, I think you might appreciate the movie more, just my 2 cents.
uh what? Bruce had already "accepted the darkness" way back in BB. The problem wasn't that Bane knew something that Bruce didn't, it's that they both had the same training and Bane was simply better than him at it.
Yeah, that was really bizarre.
Same for my audience. Ra's and Scarecrow cameos got some reactions.
Bruce being alive at the end got a smattering of applause.
But I'd say pretty much every other beat landed pretty flat.
planar1280
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I loved that when someone leaked the ending people went like that sucks but to see it on screen was amazing. It's all Nolan's direction
rollingstart
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errr, I think you're getting ahead of yourself, mate. I said that as a criticism, it is unusual. If you took it personally, well, that's on you. Was he responding to one of your posts? I was speaking in generalities. So, I apologize if you mistook it as an
I agree the movie has writing, pacing, et al. problems. I haven't had time to read through this thread yet. Those are totally valid criticisms that can be discussed and provide interesting discourse. Which is why I said the expectation criticism isn't really worthwhile criticism--in general. There's no basis to criticism with it.
FlashbladeGAF
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yeah was going to post something similar. lets remember Batman wasnt on his A game as well
4+ months in a cell gives you plenty of time to train
Princess Carl
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Anyone have an idea as to the excellent conditions of the police uniforms after 5 months underground. Did they get replacement uniforms as part of the supplies?
He was responding to my post, so I took as you criticizing me.
As for speaking in generalities, I still don't think your critique applies, because I haven't seen anybody in this thread bring it up. You were bashing non-existent posts.
Ah yes, any criticism of the new pet movie must be "nonsensical" or stupid. Whatever you say.
TDK had a fairly unpredictable plot due to the Joker's chaotic nature. I certainly didn't predict that he was going to do what he did with the two ferries very far out; hell, you never really knew what he was going to do in each scene he was in. It was a dynamic performance that kept things interesting, and there's nothing like that in TDKR.
Batman Begins had the Neeson reveal, which was a decent surprise that played on expectations about the character of Ra's Al-Ghul and the characters Neeson plays. It also messed with the origin story enough that it wasn't entirely by the numbers.
TDKR doesn't have that. It plods through its plot points like it's on a death march. Did anyone not instantly know what one of the final shots of the film would be when Alfred told his coffeeshop story? TDKR works well in the moment, but never builds up much momentum until the final third. The same isn't true of the other two, especially TDK, which builds and ups the stakes almost on a minute-to-minute basis.
TDKR just doesn't match up to its predecessor, which is fine. It's still a good movie and still a good wrap-up for the Nolanverse Batman, but that doesn't stop it from being a bit of a disappointment after TDK.
soundscream
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Couple of thoughts.
OMG DAT BAT!
I hope your theaters all had great sound systems, whenever it flew onto the scene my spine was vibrating.
Loved Hardys speech in front of the prison, he did a great job of using his eyes and eyebrows.
Judge Crane was awesome.
I liked the final fight between them it was just a brawl.
The final 5mins were godly.
As far as ranking it I don't think I can. I dont think this movie can function as a standalone film like the others could. Its a true conclusion that plays off of the groundwork of the first 2.
OMG DAT BAT!
I hope your theaters all had great sound systems, whenever it flew onto the scene my spine was vibrating.
Loved Hardys speech in front of the prison, he did a great job of using his eyes and eyebrows.
Judge Crane was awesome.
I liked the final fight between them it was just a brawl.
The final 5mins were godly.
As far as ranking it I don't think I can. I dont think this movie can function as a standalone film like the others could. Its a true conclusion that plays off of the groundwork of the first 2.
rollingstart
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I don't buy him beating Bane physically either. If it were a video game, Bane's mask would be flashing red.
From what I could tell, the difference in the fight is that Batman blocked and dodged more. In the first fight he was cocky and kept taking hits and fighting back in desperation. It's what Alfred was talking about; he kept treating it "I'm Batman; of course I'll win!" and got royally trashed. And in the second fight, he was afraid of Bane, knew he was weaker, and didn't try to match strength like before.
Basically, it's Rocky 3.
yeah, unfortunately I saw the prologue and had an expectation of how it'd sound (oh my, such a hypocrite). It sounded goofy to me. The way he re-read the lines was for the worse.
Hero_of_the_Day
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I didn't sit through Begins and Knight knowing what was going to happen next or how they would end. I did for Rises.
Don't throw her the gun mother fucker, she quoted Ras Al Ghul at the start of the movie and every time she's around, bad guys show up to kill everybody! Hey Blake, in case you didn't get what I told you before, let me blatantly tell you to wear a mask for a second time, and show you how to use my explosives.
Yeah, that was great. Loved how he threw Bats against a pillar and just started pounding his body like a madman.
Yeah, I saw the prologue and they really fucked with his voice.
My friends and I were looking at each other in the beginning like "what the fuck...."
OF COUARRRRSE.
Templar Wizard
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Movie was awesome!
didnt like the explaino scenes, the president or the any of the uneccessary expanded 'news', but i kept my head down and made it through.
'hers the important bit!' ugh
the name 'robin' wasnt needed at all.
but all that is forgiven with ending Batman with a nuke! tremendous!
didnt like the explaino scenes, the president or the any of the uneccessary expanded 'news', but i kept my head down and made it through.
'hers the important bit!' ugh
the name 'robin' wasnt needed at all.
but all that is forgiven with ending Batman with a nuke! tremendous!
MrPink93485
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Yeah......
For newcomers, I'm not sure how much they minded, but I had a good chunk of his lines memorized (not proud), and the different deliveries threw me off
Just got back from my viewing.
Initially, "fuck I can't understand a word Bane is saying, and he sounds odd". Quickly got used to that.
Think I need a 2nd watch, and I'm sure this has already been mentioned, but I'm pretty sure batman is dead; and the final Alfred scene is just his imagination ... what he would've wanted, he just seemed so devastated at the cemetary.
Anywho, enjoyed it.
Initially, "fuck I can't understand a word Bane is saying, and he sounds odd". Quickly got used to that.
Think I need a 2nd watch, and I'm sure this has already been mentioned, but I'm pretty sure batman is dead; and the final Alfred scene is just his imagination ... what he would've wanted, he just seemed so devastated at the cemetary.
Anywho, enjoyed it.
Auron_Kale
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I dunno if it was because it was a 3:30am showing but many people seemed really half-hearted in their attempts to clap actually. Also, when people were walking out of the theater from the midnight showing, only 1 person was crowing about it while everyone else seemed subdued, though it's hard to say if it was because it was late or if they too had mixed feelings about the movie.
I thought that was a funny piece of trolling from Nolan. JGL's face was hilarious.
Did Lucius hallucinate the autopilot reveal as well? Bruce Wayne is alive at the end and has passed the mantle of Batman on to Blake.
It was a play on the mutant fight from The Dark Knight Returns, Bruce is older and can't compete with a stronger opponent by fighting him in a front on assault using his usual tactics. Bruce's master stroke of strategy in the rematch is to smash up Bane's Mask/respirator/magical pain inhibitor (which Bruce realised was Bane's weakness when somebody told him it was), thus crippling Bane and opening himself up to get stabbed in the ribs by an obvious plot twist.
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