SonicMegaDrive
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To make Bruce Wayne suffer.
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To make Bruce Wayne suffer.
SCULLIBUNDO
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It was obvious Batman wasn't going to die because of his no killing rule. He cannot self-terminate.
We must lower him into the steel.
We must lower him into the steel.
EndcatOmega
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Ah, thanks. A bit cheesy, perhaps, but I've seen worse shoehorned references.
Auron_Kale
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Yep. I got the closure I wanted from this film - especially for these two. I was damn happy with the ending, cheese and all, because I wanted that cheese to happen - if that makes sense.
Been stewing more on this film (obviously since I've been participating in both TDKR threads) and while I posted earlier that BB was greater to equal TDKR, it may change probably on my mood as I think about the impact of the whole thing.
SerArthurDayne
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I had issues with this, too.
Best guess- Gotham had redeemed itself. This allowed them to prove they were right.
Also, it allowed Bane a Joker level taunt of Batman.
Bane said to Bruce about wanting to destroy the city in front of Bruce before they you know, destroy the city.
I thought when Bruce said 'not everything. Not yet' and then just stared into space was incredible. Chills
Disappointed Nolan didn't introduce the secret Batman orbital space laser station that Fox secretly funded and built
vicissitudes
Banned
Did his battery pack run out?
Just got back from watching DKR. For me, the absence of the Joker really loomed large in the film. He's such a huge part of the Batman mythos and in The Dark Knight and no references to his character was really a huge void. Ras al Ghul and Two Face serve important roles in the plot, hell even Scarecrow got an appearance. My guess is that had Heath Ledger not killed himself, he would be in this film. He'd most likely team up with Bane, he'd be the one who reveals the truth about Harvey Dent to the public, and playing a role in causing chaos in Gotham once Bane takes over.
SerArthurDayne
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This and the Ra's disappearing were overdone. There was no need to actually deliver that line, the look away- you know it was coming, and then the look back and she is gone would have worked as it was.
Less cornball in this than Begins, though. Can I blame the lack of Goyer? Or just that the movies have gradually gotten more serious?
YESSS. The Bane scene, the scene when Batman saves JGL. Both well shot, long cuts.
Shouta
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Just finished watching it, was fucking great. I actually saw Begins and TDK for the first time last night because I just hadn't sat down to watch them and I think I liked this one the most overall. I really loved how Bane worked out in this film, made him feel menacing and strong without going into the crazy stuff like the venom.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
So Bruce could watch Gotham die. Bane tells Bruce that the way to destroy people is to give them hope (like how the pit is set up), then crush it.
JGL worked his ass off in the movie, he was always running around, getting things going all at ground zero. He did very well with the script provided to him. Honestly if it weren't for him the movie would've lost some of the human/citizen touch during all the chaos going on because of his interaction with some of the citizens.
I would say that if it wasn't for the whole passing down the torch/Robin sequence at the end the character would've been a waste screen time wise. If he ended up being just a cop... that would've been a shit ton of time wasted on just some average dude.
I would say that if it wasn't for the whole passing down the torch/Robin sequence at the end the character would've been a waste screen time wise. If he ended up being just a cop... that would've been a shit ton of time wasted on just some average dude.
So Bruce could watch in despair and to give Gotham hope where there was none. Bane basically laid out the reasoning behind the whole plan when he was in the prison. Hence his whole light up above/faith analogy.
ViewtifulJC
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Yeah, Sculli told me outside that one scene, it was mostly the same Nolan action, but IDK, maybe he should watch Batman Begins again, because it's like night and day.
True.
But was it just me, or was there some comedic effect/levity injected into the prison training stuff?
My theory for Bane knowing who he is.
Bane knew directly from Ra's
When Bruce saved Ra's from the burning house and travelled back to Gotham, Ra's recovered - formed a new LoS and could of said vaguely "I'm going back to destroy Gotham, if I somehow don't succeed, you need to do it. Also, watch out for Bruce Wayne" Obviously Ra's didn't succeed, so years past and there's Bane, in Gotham, as the "LoS leader" below Talia of course. You can even argue if that even was the LoS or just Bane's version if it, since he was excommunicated.
Theory though, it probably sounds dumb lol
Bane knew directly from Ra's
When Bruce saved Ra's from the burning house and travelled back to Gotham, Ra's recovered - formed a new LoS and could of said vaguely "I'm going back to destroy Gotham, if I somehow don't succeed, you need to do it. Also, watch out for Bruce Wayne" Obviously Ra's didn't succeed, so years past and there's Bane, in Gotham, as the "LoS leader" below Talia of course. You can even argue if that even was the LoS or just Bane's version if it, since he was excommunicated.
Theory though, it probably sounds dumb lol
SonicMegaDrive
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Wasn't there some footage of Heath that they were saving for this film, but the family said 'no', so they couldn't use it? Or was that a rumor?
That scene was brilliant. I'm so glad that I knew nothing about Cillian Murphy being in this film - it was a great cameo.
Is it me, or was there a ridiculous amount of television actors in this film? I was taken out of the film a number of times because I was like "oh hey, it's <that guy> from <that tv show".
His full name is Robin John Blake, but judging from his face after she says it he doesn't like the name Robin much.
To torture Bruce, It was a spoken statement (like every other character motivation in the film), that's why they gave him a tv with a news feed in prison.
No, you understand it. He's Robin, He will be Batman.
I did like how unrelenting Bane's violence and menace was. I mean, he literally killed everyone who stood in his way or failed him. How great would it have been for this to be R?
Highlights:
- When he kills Pavel after having him tell Gotham that hes the only one who can disarm the bomb.
- Telling his henchman "Search him, and then I will kill you"
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
BurnOutBrighter
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I loved it. So many "shit just got real" and "all hope is lost" scenes and feelings. Which makes it all the more awesome when the dark knight rises (geddit?) to save the day.
SerArthurDayne
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Yes, that is all implied. I assume he is the Nolanverse Dick Grayson, and instead of becoming Robin and then Nightwing, he will become Batman.
Bruce expected it. He also wanted Batman to become more than a man, to be a symbol. Mission accomplished.
I agree with the sentiment. It's nice to tie a lot of the films together, but it's ultimately unnecessary and distracting.
Now that I'm at a proper keyboard, I'll list my impressions. Overall, it was a good but flawed movie:
The Good:
- Catwoman. Anne Hathaway was the biggest surprise of this movie.
- Any part with Alfred, but that's mostly due to Michael Caine.
- JGL's acting completely sold me, notwithstanding the last scene of the movie.
- The plot twists up until the stadium.
The Bad:
- The entire movie after the stadium. The pacing was off, and it definitely felt like it was another movie.
- Bruce Wayne and Batman, surprisingly enough. The biggest problem with the movie was how they set him up as remorseful and broken, contrary to what happened by the end of TDK. It's like they took Batman pre-TDK climax and stuck him into this movie.
- Miranda/Talia twist could've been seen a mile away.
- Too many MacGuffins and conveniences, such as the necklace, reactor, and the jammer.
- CG work felt really weak at times.
Best part of the movie:
"Now I know how that feels."
That's some made up fan crap, I imagine. Nolan had no intention of using the character again after Ledger died.
John Robin Blake (Robin John Blake?) apparently, again he'll probably be something like Batman if not Batman himself. Remember it's a symbol..
Auron_Kale
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I feel like he learned how to shoot fight scenes with Inception and thus made the fights seem quite satisfying compared to BB/TDK as those were still kind of ehh. Still, everything was great and I liked that you could almost 'feel' every blow that Batman/Bane/Catwoman dished out.
Bane vs. Batman (1 & 2) were just all-out fantastic.
I was under the impression it was more Robin John Blake actually...
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
I thought the first Bane confrontation was the best the series has been in action. The opening plane scene was cool too. But everything else was largely boring in the action department.
criesofthepast
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Did I miss it (i've seen it twice now so I doubt it) but was the Alfred line from the trailer not in the movie?
"I swore to them that I would protect you, and I haven't"
"I swore to them that I would protect you, and I haven't"
Sorcerer
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I think Casting Bane and Joker together would not work.
The Joker would be too strong a presence and would take over the movie.
You wouldn't care about Bane and his scheme.
The Joker dominates everything he would have to be in charge.
Hero_of_the_Day
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Fair enough. It wasn't like the one thing that broke the movie for me. Just a bunch of things that hurt my overall enjoyment. The more I sit here and talk about it, the more I do want to go out and see it again.
I don't want to sound like a dick, but that shit is fucking stupid. There is zero in the movie to make you think it was a dream. 100% fan fiction.
I think it would have worked for me more if when Alfred was telling the story, you didn't see it playing out. Just him and Bruce talking. But seeing it just felt like I was seeing Inception again with Leo sharing his dream and then the final scene being exactly that.
FlashbladeGAF
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unfortunately Bane was excommunicated from the League
I figured Talia heard thru the grapevine that her father died by the hands of his best disciple
With her being Ra's daughter I cant imagine her not being connected with the league in some fashion.
She hears her Dad died trying to destroy gotham so she tries to continue his work but gets roadblocked for several years when Wayne disappears and pulls funding for her clean energy BS front
To be honest I can't imagine Joker succeeding at all. While he's planning another chaos inducing scheme and about to start another scars story to Bane, Bane just punches in his face in.
Inferno313
Banned
Catwoman's choreography in the fight scenes was excellent as well. Loved the way she kind of stalked back and forth between striking just like a cat during her fight against Dagget.
Wasn't it? I noticed too.
vicissitudes
Banned
*brofist*
Regarding Catwoman, I still hate her costume and her lines were still cheesy. However, Anne Hathaway really made the best of it with what she was given and most of her screentime was at least tolerable.
Not ranking the movies yet, but I WILL rank the scores (having listened to TDKR's now 3 times in a row):
BB >>>> TDK >>>>>>>> TDKR
Man, this score is....... not very good. Almost all the best cues are rearrangements of superior cues from BB (and a few from TDK). The lack of JNH is extremely noticeable and hurts the score drastically. Zimmer's work on Inception was phenomenal, but TDKR's score is phenomenally lacklustre.
BB >>>> TDK >>>>>>>> TDKR
Man, this score is....... not very good. Almost all the best cues are rearrangements of superior cues from BB (and a few from TDK). The lack of JNH is extremely noticeable and hurts the score drastically. Zimmer's work on Inception was phenomenal, but TDKR's score is phenomenally lacklustre.
Agree with this, except the bit where Batman throws the gas pellets and Bane Just stood there in a locked off still shot, I get the intention that he was meant to be totally unfazed by it but it just looked really funny to my eyes, the shot went on for too long or something.
SonicMegaDrive
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Question - Was John Daggett mean to be the same character as Roland Daggett from the animated series? I have no idea if the character appeared in comic books or not.
overall I was impressed by the story, and how it wrapped up the trilogy.
I was more cynical than I would have liked through most of the movie, there were a lot of spatial concepts that made no sense. I thought it was silly how the police officers could just casually stand around the alleys where the nuclear bomb convoys drove through. I didn't care much for JGL's character, or really just the way he played it.
but those Alfred scenes did move me and I thought the two Batman vs Bain fights were great.
I was more cynical than I would have liked through most of the movie, there were a lot of spatial concepts that made no sense. I thought it was silly how the police officers could just casually stand around the alleys where the nuclear bomb convoys drove through. I didn't care much for JGL's character, or really just the way he played it.
but those Alfred scenes did move me and I thought the two Batman vs Bain fights were great.
Fight/action scene choreography was definitely the best in the series even though that's not saying much. The prologue sequence, the Bane vs Bat fight especially the first one, most of the Catwoman fight scenes and JGL storming the hospital to get to Gordon (shit was bad ass).
I could actually tell what the hell was going on in the movie.
I could actually tell what the hell was going on in the movie.
But they still could be in contact right? What was Bane doing with young Talia in the prison then?
Ra's could of said, you're not part of the league - but watch over my daughter?
I dunno what the fucks going on
There are no Batsuits left, I don't think, but a lot of the gadgets and I'm sure Fox would make more for him. Whether he becomes Batman, or another masked hero, isn't important, really.
JimiNutz
Banned
Just seen it and am a little dissapointed.
Things I liked:
Bane - Was great to have a physical villain. I cheered to myself when he picked Batman up like a little boy and broke him over his knee. The character had great presence on screen and I loved the voice that Hardy used for him. The twist that he was the guardian that saved Talia added a lot of weight to him too, although I preferred the idea that he was born in the prison.
The Bat - I thought the vehicle looked goofy in the stills but it was definitely the coolest vehicle in the films so far. The Tumbler was not missed at all and I've only just realised that the Tumbler wasn't in the film at all. The Bat was definitely a worthy replacement.
Story felt epic - They went all out and really upped the ante. I was worried that Bane was just another terrorist but they managed to make it really feel like literally everything was at stake. Gotham as an entire city felt in danger. I like that the story also spanned many months - although poor pacing mean that this was also a weakness.
Alfred - Michael Cain was superb. Almost made me shed man teers - especially at the 'funeral'.
Robin - I knew that Robin could work in the Nolan universe and I always suspected that Gordon-Levitt would play him. I think the character was handled really well although I kind of hoped that his legal name was going to be 'Dick' rather than 'Robin'.
It tied into the other films - was a great idea to have Scarecrow and The League of Shadows return. Was good to see Liam Neeson up on screen as well. I wish Joker had been referrenced though as well.
What I didn't like:
Predictable plot - Everythng was so predictable and obvious. In TDK there were so many little twists and turns but everything seemed very obvious in this. There were no shocking scenes and that was a real shame.
Terrible pacing - The film seemed too long at times yet also seemed rushed. The plot was epic in scale yet they didn't do a great job of portraying how long everything was going on for. The nuke had 5 months before it detonated itself yet it seemed like Bruce was in the jail for just a few weeks. The people of Gotham didn't look like they'd been living in a slum for 5 months either (again it seemed like just a few weeks).
Huge difference in tone from previous film - TDK didn't really feel like a comic book film, it was almost like a crime drama. This was very much a comic book film. I know that's not necessarily a bad thing but it really threw me off guard, especially in comparrison to TDK. TDK almost feels like it doesn't belong sandwiched in between this and BB.
Fight sequences - Was it just me or did Batman and Bane seem to move in slow motion when fighting? At the end of the film Bane went into rage mode and started thrashing around with speed and anger but the other fight scenes between Batman and Bane looked so slow and fake. Maybe that's why Nolan used such quick cuts and shaky cam in the other films - to hide how slow Bale moves in that Batman costume.
Cheesy ending - I liked that 'Robin' found the cave but the shot of Alfred, Bruce and Selina all sitting in a cafe in Florence was really cheesy. There was no need for it. We all knew Bruce was alive the moment we found out that he secretly fixed the auto pilot. Should have left his fate up to the imagination rather than beating us over the head with that cheesy cafe shot. We know he's still alive, no need to show us (especially having lunch with Catwoman!)
I did enjoy the film but for everything I liked there was something that I didn't.
It was still a fim worthy of the franchise but not on the same level of TDK.
BB and this are both solid 7/10 films. Fun but with some big flaws.
TDK has it's floors too but is still the far better film.
Things I liked:
Bane - Was great to have a physical villain. I cheered to myself when he picked Batman up like a little boy and broke him over his knee. The character had great presence on screen and I loved the voice that Hardy used for him. The twist that he was the guardian that saved Talia added a lot of weight to him too, although I preferred the idea that he was born in the prison.
The Bat - I thought the vehicle looked goofy in the stills but it was definitely the coolest vehicle in the films so far. The Tumbler was not missed at all and I've only just realised that the Tumbler wasn't in the film at all. The Bat was definitely a worthy replacement.
Story felt epic - They went all out and really upped the ante. I was worried that Bane was just another terrorist but they managed to make it really feel like literally everything was at stake. Gotham as an entire city felt in danger. I like that the story also spanned many months - although poor pacing mean that this was also a weakness.
Alfred - Michael Cain was superb. Almost made me shed man teers - especially at the 'funeral'.
Robin - I knew that Robin could work in the Nolan universe and I always suspected that Gordon-Levitt would play him. I think the character was handled really well although I kind of hoped that his legal name was going to be 'Dick' rather than 'Robin'.
It tied into the other films - was a great idea to have Scarecrow and The League of Shadows return. Was good to see Liam Neeson up on screen as well. I wish Joker had been referrenced though as well.
What I didn't like:
Predictable plot - Everythng was so predictable and obvious. In TDK there were so many little twists and turns but everything seemed very obvious in this. There were no shocking scenes and that was a real shame.
Terrible pacing - The film seemed too long at times yet also seemed rushed. The plot was epic in scale yet they didn't do a great job of portraying how long everything was going on for. The nuke had 5 months before it detonated itself yet it seemed like Bruce was in the jail for just a few weeks. The people of Gotham didn't look like they'd been living in a slum for 5 months either (again it seemed like just a few weeks).
Huge difference in tone from previous film - TDK didn't really feel like a comic book film, it was almost like a crime drama. This was very much a comic book film. I know that's not necessarily a bad thing but it really threw me off guard, especially in comparrison to TDK. TDK almost feels like it doesn't belong sandwiched in between this and BB.
Fight sequences - Was it just me or did Batman and Bane seem to move in slow motion when fighting? At the end of the film Bane went into rage mode and started thrashing around with speed and anger but the other fight scenes between Batman and Bane looked so slow and fake. Maybe that's why Nolan used such quick cuts and shaky cam in the other films - to hide how slow Bale moves in that Batman costume.
Cheesy ending - I liked that 'Robin' found the cave but the shot of Alfred, Bruce and Selina all sitting in a cafe in Florence was really cheesy. There was no need for it. We all knew Bruce was alive the moment we found out that he secretly fixed the auto pilot. Should have left his fate up to the imagination rather than beating us over the head with that cheesy cafe shot. We know he's still alive, no need to show us (especially having lunch with Catwoman!)
I did enjoy the film but for everything I liked there was something that I didn't.
It was still a fim worthy of the franchise but not on the same level of TDK.
BB and this are both solid 7/10 films. Fun but with some big flaws.
TDK has it's floors too but is still the far better film.
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