umop_3pisdn
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Yeah, it was great when I was a kid for normalizing my perceptions on some things (some of it related to sex and drugs, lol) but what I loved about it then is mostly lost on me now.
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Yeah, it was great when I was a kid for normalizing my perceptions on some things (some of it related to sex and drugs, lol) but what I loved about it then is mostly lost on me now.
if you'd like to get into a new show, Longmire on A&E has been great so far.
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Longmire is pretty awesome. Monster of the week-ish, but still very good.
excelforward
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It's not good, it's not bad.
The series kinda goes into a weird stage in season three or four. One of the characters who I liked, Ted, becomes something very different. Then the stories just get odd, and yeah. Strange.
A cliche of what?
umop_3pisdn
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A person that holds up obvious examples of something as his standard because he's too much of a dilettante to go any further than that.
I'll look into it!
Is it worth watching the entire series? If it goes off the rails, I'll probably just drop it. My television viewing for the next month rests in your hands.
Queer as Folk made an impact because it was the first show of its kind, and arguably the only one. Back then you simply didn't had gay characters in prominent roles, at all, not even secondary roles, and gay sex? no one even dared to utter it. The show was almost softcore porn indeed, but it was an eye opener for many, even if it just cemented cliches. For me it was a life changer, and is probably the first time I saw homosexual relationships on the screen, it was like "wow, this can really actually happen, is not just some fantasy" hehe, not saying the show is realistic at all, but I think it was necessary. Up to that point gay people were sexless, and to be honest also after it, there are more gay characters on TV now, but few of them are openly "sexual" so to speak, in contrast with heterosexual characters.
Ok actually the first gay kiss I ever saw, outside of porn thats it, was in Oz, but the show was about prison inmates, hardly a shining example of gay culture.
@lunch, I watched it a few years ago, so I can't really say. It's really up to you. I remember using the PS3 to play it at 1.5x the speed, so it would go faster though. 
. . . I was just like HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP MORE! I don't think I've done that before or after that show.
Lame.
Oz had one of the hottest kisses,
Tobias and Beecher
I liked Tobias because he was nerdy initially, and Beecher is just handsome, I mean Maloni, so yeah. It worked for me.
umop_3pisdn
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Yeah, but that's my degree of involvement in most things
It's easier to just pat yourself on the back for having an uncultivated sense of 'good taste' than it is to do any actual cultivation.A ringing endorsement! I guess I'll watch a few more episodes and see if I care enough to keep going.@lunch, I watched it a few years ago, so I can't really say. It's really up to you. I remember using the PS3 to play it at 1.5x the speed, so it would go faster though.
It looks like I should try watching Oz too.
I actually almost always play longer series on 1.5 or 2x the speed, because I really like a marathon, but I don't want to spend 14 hours watching a show, when I can just watch it in 7. I know that's odd, but that's how I do things. 8)
Speaking of which, I should go watch Portlandia.
Speaking of which, I should go watch Portlandia.
You can't pat yourself on the back for being lame, that's just . . . lame.Yeah, but that's my degree of involvement in most things
Oz had one of the hottest kisses,. . . I was just like HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP MORE! I don't think I've done that before or after that show.Tobias and Beecher
I liked Tobias because he was nerdy initially, and Beecher is just handsome, I mean Maloni, so yeah. It worked for me.
Those two were the hottest thing I've seen in TV. Nothing in QaF came close to that, even though QaF was way more explicit.
Really? The few times I've seen people talk about the show, the comments have been positive. I'm glad the show exists, if only because it's an interesting and bold take on the gay nightlife scene, but I don't personally have the need for an overacted, overproduced show about a group of gay men whose lives seem to revolve around sex, drugs, and alcohol.
Also, I'm glad you've posted more because I've finally been knocked down from the top poster spot.
Maybe I've just never talked to many people about it. I guess beyond the ex, I don't know anyone who would have watched it. And to be honest, I'm not even sure if he did now either.
Also, I can't believe I've topped the wall of shame. D:
You'll fit right in!
Welcome. It's always nice to have new people.
Perhaps it's a bad thing I didn't watch it when I was younger. Not that I would have been caught dead watching it when I was that age, mind you. I think the closest I ever got to anything like that was Will and Grace and I'm not sure that show really normalizes things.
Mega Man's Electric Sheep
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So I'm not sure what I should do in this situation....should I do nothing? I met a guy, had a great first date, and he suggested we get together tonight. He said a vague time at first, but then texted me at 7:30 and told me he'd text me around 8:30 when he got home and I could come over.....It is now 9:30 and he has not texted. I just sent a text asking him if he's home yet, no reply. Should I just assume he found someone else/something better to do? Would it be a bad idea to call him?
Edit: he just texted and said he took a nap when he got home and apologized. Should I believe him? I will, for now haha
Edit: he just texted and said he took a nap when he got home and apologized. Should I believe him? I will, for now haha
Mega Man's Electric Sheep
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Yeah, I'm a pretty easygoing guy, it's just annoying to wait around for someone when it was his idea to get together lol
A confirmation text doesn't take more than 15 seconds.
Been there, done that. Some people are just rude/impolite and take for granted you will be there, waiting, whenever they want. So... watch out if it becomes a common thing.
Been there, done that. Some people are just rude/impolite and take for granted you will be there, waiting, whenever they want. So... watch out if it becomes a common thing.
Are you dating ruffles? The nap excuse really pulls it together.
_Isaac: So, yeah I finished this tonight. And I can't recommend it highly enough. It was an amazing read all around and while the whole "deaf" angle isn't played too much, it does show Africa's situation a deaf-mans experience there pretty damn well.
umop_3pisdn
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There's too much good stuff out there to not just size it all up with a cursory glance. Just kidding, but really I have too many interests which means that not being a dilettante would mean committing myself entirely to one or a small handful of things, which will probably only happen when I become a monk or hermit or whatever (so at this rate, never).
Maybe. Will and Grace is good for what it is (that admittedly being pretty sanitized...) I don't know, often I think our childhoods are so removed from where we are that wondering if how things were then were ideal in terms of how we see ourselves now seems like some kind of super remote speculative exercise. I think that in most cases, at best people maybe learn some things a little sooner, but the conclusions they reach in the end are pretty similar. I was about twelve so I was still extremely influenced by social mores, etc, but I guess at that age when your worldview generally lacks subtlety and only sees the extremes it was a welcome antidote of sorts.
If I'm running late I at least text or call to say I'm running late and apologize. If I want to bail or think I can't make it, I say so.
*hugs BeesEight*
Your post in that potentially-awful-but-really-not-that-bad woman as murderers thread made me quite happy. It is rare that I read a thread like that and I find someone making a post that actually covers points I want to make; usually I have to find someone making a post that is wrong in the right way so I can start an argument, or else just post it on its lonesome (which makes it harder to introduce). It's nice being able to make a post that continues a point already being made. <3
Welcome!
You sound like me in a couple ways (introverted, not easy to meet people, didn't know other gay people). And some of those are still true.
Oh, dear. I just looked and I am barely in the top 20. How dreadful. I should post more.
Your post in that potentially-awful-but-really-not-that-bad woman as murderers thread made me quite happy. It is rare that I read a thread like that and I find someone making a post that actually covers points I want to make; usually I have to find someone making a post that is wrong in the right way so I can start an argument, or else just post it on its lonesome (which makes it harder to introduce). It's nice being able to make a post that continues a point already being made. <3
Welcome!
You sound like me in a couple ways (introverted, not easy to meet people, didn't know other gay people). And some of those are still true.
Also, I'm glad you've posted more because I've finally been knocked down from the top poster spot.
Oh, dear. I just looked and I am barely in the top 20. How dreadful. I should post more.
I thought this was interesting, any thoughts?
http://www.thetaskforce.org/TF_in_news/09_0304/stories/27_gay_is_not.pdf
http://www.thetaskforce.org/TF_in_news/09_0304/stories/27_gay_is_not.pdf
I've never read a good memoir, but I'll put this in my queue, which means I'll probably read it some time in 2014, but I've been known to shuffle up my queue quite a bit.
Augusten Burroughs' Dry is my favorite memoir, and if you count David Sedaris' essays as memoirs, I'd put those up on the same level as well. Stephen King's On Writing is also incredible, and is personal and engaging enough to still be a fantastic read even if you don't have an interest in making a career out of writing.
I'll keep those in mind, but first I'll have to research these people. I've only read two memoirs. The Glass Castle and A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius. They were both awful.
I noticed that thread teetering dangerously. I'm a sucker for those topics, having studied criminology. Also, Evolutionary Psychology is my biggest pet peeve so I can't help but respond to people who throw it around so casually. And I really appreciate your post. Like I mentioned, I'd never heard anything about the specific role testosterone played in aggression.
Well, my first is when did we start calling it the GLBT movement? I always thought it was the LGBT movement. Come now, we can still be gentlemen and let the ladies go first.
My initial reaction is to his comment on the Proposition 8 fiasco and how guilt was levied against the black community instead of the religious community. However, it was my understanding that the only reason the black community voted more in favour was because that community is, as a whole, more religious than the rest.
Reading the rest of this, I feel I really can't properly respond to it. It's so heavily steeped in American culture that it I can't help but feel like an outsider looking in. Racism in America is really a foreign thing. Not to say racism doesn't happen outside of America, but the whole environment surrounding it is just something that I can not understand. But this came up in the thread that had pictures of racist bumperstickers warning against Obama's re-election. In my country, and many others, hate speech is a crime and so these race relation moments are really pushed to the ground.
For example, the Big Brother incident in the article would have exploded in Canada because you just don't use that word. I can't imagine the guy being left on the show after that moment regardless of how cute he is.
Also - I've not been a fan of Savage since his ridiculous stance on bisexuality. It does not surprise me that when he opens his mouth his foot often ends up in it.
I am curious, however, (and I feel like I should almost not bring it up since I wouldn't want to distract from the main point of discourse) what is the coverage of other gay sub-cultures? The essayist mentions Latinos voting heavily in favour of Prop 8. Are there similar prejudices towards Latino homosexuals? What are the views on Asian homosexuality? I know in Japan, a common perception is that homosexuality is a 'white man's' problem. What is the level of race relations in America outside of the white-black struggle? (And if we have to talk about sub-groups, Muslim homosexuality must be the worst.)
VICTORsaurio
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Had "the talk" with that guy. That's it, we're done...
Now I feel really lonely, hitting rock bottom in 3...2...1..
Now I feel really lonely, hitting rock bottom in 3...2...1..
I've yet to read the article, but what stance on bisexuality are you referring to? I've listened to his podcast for the past three or so years, and I've always loved his show, even though I frequently disagree with him.
When I first learned about evolutionary psychology, I thought it sounded like a good idea. On the surface level, it seems to make intuitive sense. If male humans and female humans faced slightly different pressures as males and females, it might produce some of the differences we see, right? But then I began learning about what evolutionary psychology actually is, and it is astonishing the complete lack of, well, anything resembling evidence or testable hypotheses it has.
And frankly the arguments are at least laughably, offensively, bad. I also wouldn't have as much of a problem with it if it weren't in the service of bingo card arguments as above. It's a post-hoc rationalization of 1950s American gender roles, and a hodge-podge of just so stories spun around a select few facts that should be narrowly construed but are instead turned into the bases of grand untestable ideas explaining all male and female difference as the product of mysterious evolutionary pressures that just seem guaranteed to create male and female inequality with, men on top. Oh, and they are appallingly ignorant of anthropology and social psychology, to the extent that when you hear them make pronouncements about human nature, you quickly realize that they are scarcely aware of any culture beyond their own.
I enjoyed this Podcast discussion with PZ Myers.
I have heard both, but LGBT has more a ring to it, I think.
The issue of race and Proposition 8 was, as the title says, more complex than first reported. Unfortunately, people tend to only remember what was first reported.
Does this make you happier?
Your other questions were interesting, but I honestly don't know the answers. There's probably a journal out there somewhere that deals with stuff like that.
Yes. Well, it depends on the family. It seems to me that they're either very okay with it, or very not okay with it.
Cosmic Bus
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So I saw Florence & the Machine last night in Vancouver, had an amazing time, and ummm got some action with my friend. Pretty nice for that to happen after all this time and while we were sober to boot.
kitchenmotors
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Got some great news today. Some of you know I was diagnosed with testicular cancer at the end of May and had surgery June 1st. Due to circumstances with work that are extremely complicated, I didn't have insurance at the time.
I got a letter today from Northwestern Lake Forest Hospital that informed me I had been approved for financial assistance for my hospital bill for the surgery and services. I did not expect to for the entire balance of $19,719 to be paid off, but it was done so by charity. I'm in shock. I'm going to try and find out who or what paid off my medical bill, as I would like to thank them personally.
Of course, I still have to do chemo and need to deal with those bills, but this makes me feel a little bit more relieved about my situation. After a horrible year with a string of bad luck, this news along with landing a new job with full benefits, has really turned things around.
I got a letter today from Northwestern Lake Forest Hospital that informed me I had been approved for financial assistance for my hospital bill for the surgery and services. I did not expect to for the entire balance of $19,719 to be paid off, but it was done so by charity. I'm in shock. I'm going to try and find out who or what paid off my medical bill, as I would like to thank them personally.
Of course, I still have to do chemo and need to deal with those bills, but this makes me feel a little bit more relieved about my situation. After a horrible year with a string of bad luck, this news along with landing a new job with full benefits, has really turned things around.
That's awesome news man!
kitchenmotors, that's wonderful news. 
I have not.
That thing on Youtube is complete and unabridged.
I have not.
That thing on Youtube is complete and unabridged.
Wow, heavy stuff man! But very good news indeed! I mean, you already have enough to worry about with being sick, you could easily do without financial worries of course. Best of luck with the chemo!
Cosmic Bus
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Hey, I've had that tag for, like, eight years. It couldn't stay totally accurate forever.
Alex, I had no idea about your cancer, but that's great news.
I didn't read the whole thing last night, but I instantly thought of this other thread, which I had encountered yesterday.
The reason being that gay can never be the new black, because both categories interact and interlace with one another. They're not mutually exclusive, and never will be. I was shocked that one in five AA gay males had HIV in the South, at least according to the study. That's just unbelievable. Considering that HIV cases are around less than one percent of the total population, that's a 2000% difference.
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I've also been weary of evolutionary biology. As a social science guy, most of the theories and studies just seem so unbelievable. I will say that genes are certainly important in the creation of a person, but you can't base human society solely on them or the practices of our so-called ancestors.
mudied morning snow
Wow, you have no idea what it was like for black people at the time. Black people were barely considered human. Not being allowed to marry is nothing compared to that.
Bel Marduk
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Alex, that's amazing news that you deserve. So glad to hear it!
That's wonderful to hear.
Two things: 1) mantidor's profile says he's from Colombia, so in the same way that BeesEight felt he couldn't properly discuss racism in America because he's not an American, mantidor's view of the civil rights movement is coming from a different perspective. 2) He never claimed that treatment of homosexuals and African-Americans are analogous, just that the fight for civil rights is. Obviously both civil rights movements are coming from different starting places and differ in intensity, so I wouldn't personally say the two are analogous, but I can see why others might.
The question "Is Gay the New Black?" is actually my biggest problem with the article, as I don't believe that the question is addressed or defined in the article itself. Black in the context of that question seems to refer only to the prejudice and stereotypes African-Americans face as well as the culture that has been created because of that prejudice, and I don't think that the African-American culture and the black civil rights movement can be reduced to that. The actual article is mostly about racism among homosexuals though, and while I'm sure that it exists, Tracy doesn't do a good job of backing up his claims. I wouldn't use message boards and chatrooms as a way to gauge popular opinions. I don't believe that gay people are any more racist than any other group, and I would actually think that we're less so, but I have as much evidence to support my opinion as he does.
I'm a fan of BGLT because it sounds like a tasty sandwich and the letters are in proper alphabetical order.
Melted morning snow.
Yup lunch explained my point better. But also it makes me wonder how we would be treated if we couldn't hide our homosexuality, because I honestly think that is what made it easy (so to speak), otherwise we would have face almost the same hardships.
Alex, that's excellent news! So glad it worked out for you!
Best of luck with the chemotherapy. I have a few relatives and friends who unfortunately were diagnosed with cancer too, but because it was discovery early the chemo worked perfectly and they are fine now.
Having the support of friends and family and a positive attitude is one of the most important things when dealing with this kind of situation, I hope you're not lacking in any of those!
If you ever need anything (even if it's just to rant), don't be afraid of sending me a PM (or a message in Skype or Facebook).
Keep us updated about your situation, please... and again, best wishes for you!
Oh man, I had no idea about any of this! I remember you from Tiny Chat, so best wishes and get well soon.
<+)O Robido O(+>
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So... My straight (but not narrow) coworker texts me a pic of his dick last night. What struck me as odd was not that he sent the pic,
was that a) he took the pic while he was in the bath (WTF?), and b) the bathwater was filthy. Oh, and it's pierced (which is neither here nor there,) I wonder if he was drunk. lol.
Backstory: our working relationship is physically flirtatious, on the understanding that he's straight, so there'll be no sex, and he's not my type. He definitely likes girls. Everyone thinks he's weird because he's all pierced and tatted up.
Anyway, eww dirty bathwater.
cuz my pimp game is strong
Backstory: our working relationship is physically flirtatious, on the understanding that he's straight, so there'll be no sex, and he's not my type. He definitely likes girls. Everyone thinks he's weird because he's all pierced and tatted up.
Anyway, eww dirty bathwater.
Dirty how?
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