The Dark Knight Rises |OT| The Legend Ends (Warning: Unmarked Spoilers Within)

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BB will get its due when it finds a much larger audience than it ever did before when its released as part of the trilogy set this fall.
 
Louis CK wasn't joking when he said we reach for the top of our shelves with words nowadays. Nothing can ever be "below average," or even "bad." It has to be mediocre, terrible, the most disappointing movie since _____. Small flaws are magnified to extreme lengths with anything popular. Terrible should be the type of word reserved for a later Jackie Chan flick or something.
Do you know what mediocre means? It is of middling or moderate quality, it is not analogous to terrible. The action scenes were terrible which to me means a lot in a movie where physically the villain is a brute. I call the movie mediocre because it didn't put me to sleep nor did it leave me with any other kind of emotion apart from I guess that takes care of the trilogy.
 
Mediocre is closer to 5/10. "Of only moderate quality; not very good".

But again, we live in a world where if a highly-anticipated game gets a 7/10, heads are being called on to roll. Everything is graded on a 7-10 scale, screw the other numbers.

Most of the work in any entertainment medium is mediocre. That's just the way it is. The exceptions are just that, exceptional. Exceptionally good or exceptionally bad.

Personally, I think TDKR is a pretty solid, entertaining mess of a film. Not OMG THE GREATEST TRILOGY OF THEM ALL, not "holy fuck that was a piece of shit". If was a number-giving guy, it'd be a 7/10. Good, not great.
 
Mediocre is closer to 5/10. "Of only moderate quality; not very good".

But again, we live in a world where if a highly-anticipated game gets a 7/10, heads are being called on to roll. Everything is graded on a 7-10 scale, screw the other numbers.

Most of the work in any entertainment medium is mediocre. That's just the way it is. The exceptions are just that, exceptional. Exceptionally good or exceptionally bad.

Personally, I think TDKR is a pretty solid, entertaining mess of a film. Not OMG THE GREATEST TRILOGY OF THEM ALL, not "holy fuck that was a piece of shit". If was a number-giving guy, it'd be a 7/10. Good, not great.
I'm probably at 5/10. I'd call it a 7 or an 8 if it had been better paced and less messy.
 
Watching the Ultimate Trilogy trailer again. *bows*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T__uN5xmC0

Perfect.

1:50 when that phenomenal theme kicks in with the chanting in the background and the money shots appear. DFIDOULGDGUFSA These chills.

I came.

BB will get its due when it finds a much larger audience than it ever did before when its released as part of the trilogy set this fall.

I'll be perfectly honest, I don't even remember the first one that well. I remember liking it, but I really need to rewatch it.
 
I will listen.

Well before I start a preface, ive been in this thread since its inception and the one before, ive made it known on countless occasions that i thought BB was the superior film to tdk, but i liked them both alot. I went into this film with lowish expectations because of the word of mouth, i never considered BB or TDK to be shining examples of narrative, the former suffering from cornier elements and the latter pacing problems (see the third act). That being said, as films, as pieces of entertainment they were and are great examples of fun movies, taken a bit more seriously than comic book films are and allowed their share of issues because at the end of the day they were fun to watch. Now I took away from alot of the negative reviews that people who were unable to enjoy the occasional corny element, or suffer through some pacing issues, would ultimately not enjoy tdkr.

But the problem is tdkr suffers way way too much from these issues, it requires you to look past so much, to ignore so many elements and throw pacing out of the window to enjoy the film. It is a mess, and as someone who can sit through practically anything and accept a huge amount of issues in films it was perhaps the messiest film ive seen in ages.

Ill start with the good, because there is alot of good in there. Catwoman steals every scene she is in, Hathaway is so damn good in this film that about half way in I wanted to see her story, just hers, i would have happily spent the 2nd half of the film watching her arc, she is seriously that good. I have not seen Hathaway in anything before this but rare is the day when someone can have that much presence in a film that I want to watch everything. The ending, bar one part, is also great, no bones about it its a real treat to watch, in fact the final third of the movie picks up the pace and its impossible not to get caught up in the action, id say out of the film the third is by far the best paced part of the film. JGL is also tremendous, not as ominous as Kyle but you get the feeling he is really working hard to earn his place in the film and he does so.

Now the bad, pacing pacing pacing, the film feels like a 1st cut, almost like a storyboard with half the elements cut out, if Nolan showed this to me as a general "so this isnt finished but heres what we have" id have said "yeah your onto something here, i cant wait till its finished". The film simply does not feel finished, it asks too much of the audience, too many blanks to fill in and too many things to overlook. Its hard without going into spoilers but for a film to frustrate me this much baffles me, my tolerance level for films is huge, im not a critic, i dont come out of every film discussing to death the bits that didnt work and i consider myself very very forgiving, but it simply asks too much. The problem is that when you overlook 3 or 4 things, you reason to yourself the film isnt perfect, enjoy the ride. But when you ask yourself to overlook 10-15 things suddenly it becomes incredibly hard to get sucked into the world, im really trying hard not to come out with spoilers here but id be happy to discuss these parts with anyone once they have seen the film.

Acting wise Cain is mixed with some great lines well given and some awful dialogue no-one could make work. Bale with Catwoman seems to work great, Bale on his own suffers. Bane, I can understand fully why people complain about his voice, i caught 90% of it but it always sucks not to hear that 10%. Oldman, i feel he got really short changed personally, i wont say more but from an actor that good i shouldt have to hear some of the dialogue that was written for him.
 
I finally, after all these years, ordered the BB and TDK soundtracks from Amazon this morning. I've had the TDKR one since Tues and cannot stop listening to it. It works even better in the film!
 
I finally, after all these years, ordered the BB and TDK soundtracks from Amazon this morning. I've had the TDKR one since Tues and cannot stop listening to it. It works even better in the film!

Which one is the song in the trailer?

I need to be rocking out to that one on a daily basis.
 
Hmm really? The story made sense and isn't all over the place like TDK. I maintain if it wasn't for Heath Ledgers performance as Joker then the film would have no way near the levels of acclaim.

Edit The way they handled Two Face was terrible as well, it felt rushed and to kill him off by pushing him off a construction site hell no.
 
X2 is overrated IMO. It's a good comic-book film but I get incredibly bored once they go to where Wolverine was "born" when chasing Stryker. The final part of the film is just so dull.

Gonna watch The Dark Knight again now, I think. I hope we don't wait too long for the trilogy boxset announcement.
 
Real talk, aside from S-M2, no other comic books movies are even in the discussion with The Dark Knight trilogy.

Avengers pulled off what it was trying to do better than what TDK trilogy tried to do.

Avengers is the superior comic book movie while TDK trilogy are better films.
 
Hmm really? The story made sense and isn't all over the place like TDK. I maintain if it wasn't for Heath Ledgers performance as Joker then the film would have no way near the levels of acclaim.

Edit The way they handled Two Face was terrible as well, it felt rushed and to kill him off by pushing him off a construction site hell no.

Why does this keep coming up? This is never going to be a valid point. You can't criticize a movie for what it might have been if one of it's principal characters/actors didn't exist.
 
Avengers pulled off what it was trying to do better than what TDK trilogy tried to do.

Avengers is the superior comic book movie while TDK trilogy are better films.
I loved the avengers and thought it was a ton of fun, but I consider the TDK trilogy to be on some next level shit altogether.
 
Hmm really? The story made sense and isn't all over the place like TDK. I maintain if it wasn't for Heath Ledgers performance as Joker then the film would have no way near the levels of acclaim.

Edit The way they handled Two Face was terrible as well, it felt rushed and to kill him off by pushing him off a construction site hell no.

And here we go again...

Same beaten to death arguments will soon ensue.
 
Well before I start a preface, ive been in this thread since its inception...
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Why does this keep coming up? This is never going to be a valid point. You can't criticize a movie for what it might have been if one of it's principal characters/actors didn't exist.

I mentioned it because during the scenes where there is no Joker the film starts to weaken, the overall story etc, then along comes Joker and its back to going Holy shit again.
 
Watching the Ultimate Trilogy trailer again. *bows*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T__uN5xmC0

Perfect.

1:50 when that phenomenal theme kicks in with the chanting in the background and the money shots appear. DFIDOULGDGUFSA These chills.

These movies really do make for incredible trailers. So many great lines and scenes.

Definitely up there with LOTR and the original Star Wars trilogy for my personal favorite trilogies of all time.

I'm super hyped to see TDKR again tonight. :)
 
The Dark Knight trilogy stands on top of the pyramid of comic book movies. It's those 3 movies, then the rest underneath. Whatever the weakest of the movies in the trilogy is... it's still better than the best anyone else has put out. The trilogy when taken as a whole is just leagues ahead of any other group of movies dedicated to a comic book hero.

TDK trilogy = Comic book movies = = LOTR trilogy = Fantasy movies
 
Even though I havent seen tdkr - bb and tdk together are way ahead of the curve - even more so than spiderman 2. And I fucking loved spiderman 2.

And lmao at people suggesting X2 is even in the same league. Good movie, but not even close.
 
People really need to go back and watch X2 again, some of the stuff people are accusing TDKR of in terms of faults are also present in X2.

Don't make me bring up how completely stupid Jean's "sacrifice" was at the end.
 
Im really diggin the new man of steel teaser.

I would be down for some gritty misanthropic supes. Would be a great take on such a clean cut character. Would also really seperate the DC universe from marvel.
 
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