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Like someone said yesterday, Superman fools people he works with by wearing glasses. Some of you are such nit-pickers lol
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Theatricality and deception are powerful agents for the untrollable. But we are getting trolled, aren't we, Einchy?
demosthenes
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Makes me angry like Bruce doing situps.
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This is a question I've had ever since Batman Begins: is Ra's al Ghul a name or title? Was Henry Ducard his real name, and he inherited the title of "Ra's al Ghul" after his leader was killed? Or is his name actually Ra's al Ghul, and the so-called leader of the League of Shadows was just a decoy? I always imagined it was a title, which gives a new meaning to Ra's al Ghul's immortality.
But in this movie, is Talia's last al Ghul? If so, I guess it destroys the title theory. I really liked the ambiguous nature of Ra's al Ghul, and I'll be disappointed if they explicitly state that Ra's al Ghul definitely was the name of Liam Neeson's character.
But in this movie, is Talia's last al Ghul? If so, I guess it destroys the title theory. I really liked the ambiguous nature of Ra's al Ghul, and I'll be disappointed if they explicitly state that Ra's al Ghul definitely was the name of Liam Neeson's character.
I agree Blake finding out Batman's identity was forced. It all happens too quickly, and he is so direct with the explanation. Like he doesn't even consider the fact that he could be wrong. That scene + the Bane info dump from Alfred made me weary of the direction the movie was taking early on, but it quickly moves on.
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Wow. People are really nitpicking like crazy.
Did people actually walk out of this movie and want their money back?
Thought it was a great time at the movies.
Did people actually walk out of this movie and want their money back?
Thought it was a great time at the movies.
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Nobody in the Superman films goes up to Clark Kent and says "I knew you were Superman, when I first saw you, you had the same mask as me"
that was a load of shit. Please don't call it nitpicking.
I hate it when fans can't accept legitimate flaws with the film. It was sloppy and lazy writing on the Nolan brothers' fault.
The film is still good but it really suffers from lazy writing such as this and does not hold up to the first two films. Still I find the trilogy to be enjoyable and one of the best.
Dude was a decoy in Begins.
Two-Face was very clearly dead at the end of TDK. He fell off the building, without any sort of body armor. Not to mention Batman probably used Dent to break his fall. Think about how heavy Batman must be in all of that gear. Deader than a Dodo.
Bane is more questionable, absolutely. We had no real confirmation of his death other than that we can assume if someone gets shot by an explosive from the batpod we assume a human body couldn't withstand it.
I do wish TDK could have been rated R though, so that the camera wouldn't have had to pan away when the Joker killed Gamble. That was an ambiguous death to be sure.
few points i wanna make, though they are mostlikely said to death
1.the ending whether Bruce is alive or dead is vague. Alfred made it clear he likes to imagine bruce settling down once a year, and the ending reflect either his imagination or it in fact did happen. this is a nice touch imo, leave it vague.
2. Catwoman should have called batman out on his bullshit grunting voice when he gave her the batcycle. its pretty clear she knows he is bruce wayne from the bane breaking his back scene, who is he kidding?
3. lame part number 1. the exposition dialogue between catwoman and dagett. i feel they were really force feeding unnecessary information about the blank slate program that could have been better explained somewhere else.
4. lame part number 2. blakes real name is robin. i feel they tried too hard to drive that home. it would have been nice if his real name was the name of one of the robins like dick grayson or tim drake. if his name was terry mcguinness, nolen would be a nerd god.
5. an unknown amount of bane's men, grunts knows batman is bruce wayne. you would think after most of them were arrested the information would slip and batman would no longer be anonymous.
those are just some thoughts i had about the movie. though i liked dark knight more, dark knight rises is a fitting end to the trilogy and had a better (though a bit cliche) ending than mass effect 3 extended.
1.the ending whether Bruce is alive or dead is vague. Alfred made it clear he likes to imagine bruce settling down once a year, and the ending reflect either his imagination or it in fact did happen. this is a nice touch imo, leave it vague.
2. Catwoman should have called batman out on his bullshit grunting voice when he gave her the batcycle. its pretty clear she knows he is bruce wayne from the bane breaking his back scene, who is he kidding?
3. lame part number 1. the exposition dialogue between catwoman and dagett. i feel they were really force feeding unnecessary information about the blank slate program that could have been better explained somewhere else.
4. lame part number 2. blakes real name is robin. i feel they tried too hard to drive that home. it would have been nice if his real name was the name of one of the robins like dick grayson or tim drake. if his name was terry mcguinness, nolen would be a nerd god.
5. an unknown amount of bane's men, grunts knows batman is bruce wayne. you would think after most of them were arrested the information would slip and batman would no longer be anonymous.
those are just some thoughts i had about the movie. though i liked dark knight more, dark knight rises is a fitting end to the trilogy and had a better (though a bit cliche) ending than mass effect 3 extended.
demosthenes
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Guys, Blake is rising at the end when it cuts to THE DARK KNIGHT RISES
:O
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Bruce's death is not vague. He escaped via Autopilot that was fixed by Bruce 6 months ago. This isn't Inception...
Or is it?!
Or is it?!
ryutaro's mama
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Ok, I'll write an ending for Bane for you:
Selina is racing away on the Batpod, as Bane is in pursuit, on top of a Tumbler, firing on her.
Batman flies in on the Bat as he is leading the heat seeking missiles away...
Bane: Now I have you!
<notices the sound of the Bat behind him and looks back>
Bane: "What?!?!"
<missile strikes Bane's tumbler, killing him>
Batman rockets away with the last remaining missile (meant for Talia's truck) still following him...
Batman: (looking back smirking) "The darkness may not be my ally but one of your stray missiles sure is..."
Now do you feel better about the one Nolan used?
It was but this is GAF man. You don't need to let online impressions dictate the enjoyment of a movie for you.Thought it was a great time at the movies.
But then people would complain that Batman is talking to himself and then complain about how illogical it was that Batman was able to maneuver one rocket into Bane yet still keep the homing on the last one.
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Guys, Blake is rising at the end when it cuts to THE DARK KNIGHT RISES
He's getting tips on how to edit out the homeless dude from Begins, I hope...or maybe add a scene at the end of Rises where when the Nuke is dropped out in the ocean, nice coat guy is out on a boat fishing.
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Gordon doesn't care who Batman is... he probably didn't even think about it until the end. It hardly matters.
I was watching that review of TDK someone linked and it is full of stupid shit (not to mention inaccurate stupid shit, he even when so far to cut a line short which would have proven him wrong). There is like an aura around these movies that make people get weird.
I was watching that review of TDK someone linked and it is full of stupid shit (not to mention inaccurate stupid shit, he even when so far to cut a line short which would have proven him wrong). There is like an aura around these movies that make people get weird.
Summary Man
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I thought Batman didn't even fall off the building initially? He tackled Two-Face to prevent Two-Face from shooting Gordon's son. When Gordon rushes to the edge of the building, Batman is clinging to the side holding Gordon's kid, so he can't have landed on Harvey.
Unless I'm misremembering.
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GAF: where discussion over rockclimbing is longer than the movie itself.
It's cool to be contrarian bro
Some people just won't like it. Others will see its huge positive reception and want to hate it, to provide themselves some smug sense of superiority, like they are smarter and better at watching movies than everyone else. You get all kinds.
No, you're right. I was the one who misremembered.
Still though, I think Dent was very clearly dead based on that fall and having no armor of any kind on. Batman got screwed up from the fall, and he was wearing armor.
FlashbladeGAF
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He imagines Bruce would be there but he still ACTUALLY went there.
Early on in the film hes sitting there watching but when the guy turns around it isnt Bruce
at the end of the film it IS BRUCE
nothing vague about it
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I think it has to do with the idea that these movies are supposed to be super realistic. Nolan's universe is more grounded, but it's still relative to other comic book/sci fi movies. They are still operating in what is a pretty unrealistic universe at the end of the day.
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1. It's not vague at all. He is alive. Blatanly shown to be alive. There is zero to suggest it is a dream in the movie, because it's not.
2. The voice is not a disguise. It's him becoming the beast that is Batman. This isn't an original idea for these movies, it's also in the Animated Series. The episode that springs to mind is the Man Bat episode because I've seen it recently. He and Alfred are alone in the cave, he has the costume on. He makes a phone call and speaks like Bruce Wayne. As soon as he gets off the phone and talks to Alfred, he sounds like Batman again.
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Alfred is dead. He died the night Bruce's parents got shot. Bruce has split personality, which is why you never see Alfred outside the Manor alone. The only time he actually left, he found Bruce there.
Gordon and Blake knew Bruce is alive cause he was crying outside his own fucking grave!
Gordon and Blake knew Bruce is alive cause he was crying outside his own fucking grave!
I just got done watching it 10 minutes ago. They clearly show that Batman's fall is broken by some scaffolding
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I wouldn't even restrict it to comic book/sci fi movies. It is an action film.
Mind you I think Nolan is bad at directing action. Totally reasonable fault there. The way people approach this stuff though...
Batman doesn't fall on Harvey but when he falls he hits some planks on the way down which SORT OF breaks his fall (again, just like the other scene this one is directed with shoddy execution).
To be honest that height wasn't THAT high and Batman's graphite head gear could've saved him from a fatal head injury. Plus Harvey was already in pretty bad shape running around with exposed burn injuries like that, it was only a matter of time before he died in fact he already alluded to it by saying "there is no escape from this".
Yeah, I had forgotten that he didn't directly fall off the building the way Dent did.
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funny thing is in TAS, Batman's voice is considered his real speaking voice and Bruce Wayne's voice is the "act"
Great thing about Kevin Conroy is it sounds natural and not forced with an overly grunting sound
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It is 100% because of Inception. If that movie didn't exist, there would be nobody wondering if it was a dream. If there isn't a word for this, Gaf needs to invent one.
Yup. JGL was a baws in this movie. I've never seen Shia able to sell being a badass.
Except JGL needs to learn how to sweep the goddam corners!
yes it is bruce, but ( hate to suggest inception) but we don't know if this is another visualization of alfred's imagination or an actual event
with that said, bruce ending up with catwoman is really nice
Gafception.
Inceptioned?
triplestation
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Wow, this is the shit Nolan has been so secretive about all this time. This is the big spoiler he had to tell the actors in person. Fucking lol.
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Riposte
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She retired too.
Actors don't read comics...
EDIT: Oh, duh, the final twist... I was thinking Talia.
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