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[brandonh83]

Alfred said himself that would be enough for him.

But is that what would really happen? Just because he said that, I mean if you ran into a lifelong friend in another country by pure coincidence would you just quickly acknowledge his presence and go about your tea? Especially in the wake of all that has happened? I didn't buy it.

 

[Vanish]

I thought it was a flawed but still fantastic movie. I really didn't like catwoman at all though.

Did anyone else find it completely ridiculous that the police would ignore Blake's and Gordon's testimony of the gang they saw underground?

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

That was probably the happiest he's been in 15 years. Just seeing him there living PAST Batman.

truly a beautiful moment. Also when he was explaining that he wished to see that when he left for 7 years was so sad

I thought it was a flawed but still fantastic movie. I really didn't like catwoman at all though.

Did anyone else find it completely ridiculous that the police would ignore Blake's and Gordon's testimony of the gang they saw underground?

umm no. This is gotham. Also catwoman was amazing.

 

[ThanksVision]

The Bat Signal is fixed, big smile on his face.

oooohhhhhh yes, now I recall. I need to see this movie a 2nd time.

 

[The Mana Legend]

Another thing that bothered me about the ending.

Bruce Wayne is dead to the world. But he's a gigantic celebrity billionaire. He wants to go away and live out the rest of his life. So he goes to extremely populated areas? Yes, because going to really populated areas and cities will definitely keep you from being noticed.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Fucking Bane. Seriously, what was Nolan thinking? The Riddler, Penguin, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy are all better villain than fucking Bane. I did not feel like he was threatening at all.

 

[Sanjuro]

Fucking Bane. Seriously, what was Nolan thinking? The Riddler, Penguin, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy are all better villain than fucking Bane. I did not feel like he was threatening at all.

Yes, because all those listed are more threatening.

 

[Tookay]

But is that what would really happen? Just because he said that, I mean if you ran into a lifelong friend in another country by pure coincidence would you just quickly acknowledge his presence and go about your tea?

I understand what you're saying, but it's conforming to the movie's logic, not necessarily reality's logic.

It's sort of like Batman taking the fall for Dent's crimes. In the real world, it wouldn't break the spirit of the city for their DA to be corrupt, but in TDK's logic, that was the lynch-pin behind taking down organized crime.

 

[brandonh83]

Fucking Bane. Seriously, what was Nolan thinking? The Riddler, Penguin, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy are all better villain than fucking Bane. I did not feel like he was threatening at all.

Aw come on, he was plenty threatening. Breaking necks and backs and blowing shit up. Dude was a beast.

 

[SpikedGunner]

Also they nod at each other, but then seem to leave it at that? Really? Bruce just looks at him but then looks away, like he doesn't really care. Shouldn't they like, I dunno, reconnect or talk about it? There's a love between them and the last time we saw Alfred before that, he was flat out crying about how he failed Thomas and Martha.

Then he sees him alive, that he didn't fail, that his tears were for nothing, and it ends with a simple head nod? Jesus.

If I'm not mistaken, when Alfred told his dream, he mentions that Bruce at the cafe didn't even have to meet/notice him.

 

[harSon]

I thought it was a flawed but still fantastic movie. I really didn't like catwoman at all though.

Did anyone else find it completely ridiculous that the police would ignore Blake's and Gordon's testimony of the gang they saw underground?

A lot of convenient character oversights like this exist for the sake of moving the plot forward, and in the direction the writers wish for. It's screenwriting at its worst to be honest.

 

[soul creator]

Another thing that bothered me about the ending.

Bruce Wayne is dead to the world. But he's a gigantic celebrity billionaire. He wants to go away and live out the rest of his life. So he goes to extremely populated areas? Yes, because going to really populated areas and cities will definitely keep you from being noticed.

I think Batman would be considered dead to the world, not Bruce Wayne (since only the main characters know they're one in the same)

 

[The Mana Legend]

bane is a force, thanks to Hardy.

ledgers joker was unpredictable and kinda cuckoo, bane is intelligent, strong, calculative andpreparedfor anything.

i fucking llovedhow he walked away casually after defeating bruce/batman.

People overrated the hell out of Ledgers Joker. Ledger was fantastic, but he was given a pretty lame character that, in the end, pretty much did nothing.

Bane was a far more effective villain.

 

[Jonogunn]

Fucking Bane. Seriously, what was Nolan thinking? The Riddler, Penguin, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy are all better villain than fucking Bane. I did not feel like he was threatening at all.

How would someone like Mr. freeze or Poison Ivy fit into his realistic world?

 

[demosthenes]

But is that what would really happen? Just because he said that, I mean if you ran into a lifelong friend in another country by pure coincidence would you just quickly acknowledge his presence and go about your tea? Especially in the wake of all that has happened? I didn't buy it.

You're determined to hate everything about this movie. Coincidence? Hardly.

Again, this was what he wanted all along. He wanted Bruce to give up Batman and live as himself. He did that. He was retired with enough money probably to live comfortably, he was HAPPY.

 

[brandonh83]

If I'm not mistaken, when Alfred told his dream, he mentions that Bruce at the cafe didn't even have to meet/notice him.

So that made it okay for them to completely ignore each other especially after Alfred was under the impression that he was dead?

You're determined to hate everything about this movie.

I loved the first two acts, and considering how long the movie was, that doesn't quite qualify as me wanting to hate everything. I've even said that I think it's a good movie. I just have some serious reservations about it that keep me from liking it as much as I would have liked.

 

[.GqueB.]

I thought it was a flawed but still fantastic movie. I really didn't like catwoman at all though.

Did anyone else find it completely ridiculous that the police would ignore Blake's and Gordon's testimony of the gang they saw underground?

They got Jack Bauer'd.

"I DONT BELIEVE YOU, SHUT UP YOU IDIOT!!!"

*things happen*

"WAIT NOW I DO! GUESS I SHOULD'VE BELIEVED YOU BEFORE!!!"

 

[The Mana Legend]

I think Batman would be considered dead to the world, not Bruce Wayne (since only the main characters know they're one in the same)

I'm pretty sure that Bruce Wayne dying would kind of make big news in Gotham, even if it's overshadowed by Batman.

 

[Carbonox]

Fucking Bane. Seriously, what was Nolan thinking? The Riddler, Penguin, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy are all better villain than fucking Bane. I did not feel like he was threatening at all.

:lol :lol

 

[Sanjuro]

It would have been a better film if the cafe was a Dunkin Donuts.

 

[ThanksVision]

So that made it okay for them to completely ignore each other especially after Alfred was under the impression that he was dead?

Would you really want the movie to include a scene of them catching up at the end? It works well when it ends abruptly. I'm sure they probably reconnected, but for the sake of the film, it ended neatly.

 

[TheKaeptain]

I'm pretty sure that Bruce Wayne dying would kind of make big news in Gotham, even if it's overshadowed by Batman.

Probably was on page 7.

 

[JoeInky]

I think Batman would be considered dead to the world, not Bruce Wayne (since only the main characters know they're one in the same)

They buried bruce though, I'm pretty sure it would be made public that he was dead.


I was thinking as well about the people who were saying everyone should know bruce was batman after them dying at the same time - but there was a whole lot of rich people being taken from their homes and sentenced to death or exile in that court, people would just assume bruce was sentenced to death or something, I would think.

 

[The Mana Legend]

How would someone like Mr. freeze or Poison Ivy fit into his realistic world?

Poison Ivy really likes watering plants at her job at a Green House and Mr. Freeze is a freezer/refrigerator technician, so he feels more comfortable in cold.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

So that made it okay for them to completely ignore each other especially after Alfred was under the impression that he was dead?

The scene only lasted a few seconds. There's no doubt they reconciled afterwards. Why would they show anything else in the film? The scene played out exactly the way Alfred hoped it would.

 

[brandonh83]

Would you really want the movie to include a scene of them catching up at the end? It works well when it ends abruptly. I'm sure they probably reconnected, but for the sake of the film, it ended neatly.

No. I would have wanted for it to end with Alfred merely seeing something, which would have told us exactly what he was seeing. The meet-up could have then happened off-screen. I didn't want to see it happen. No. It wouldn't have worked. But ending it without that shot of them nodding and then seemingly going about ignoring each other would have worked wonders for me.

The scene only lasted a few seconds. There's no doubt they reconciled afterwards.

Maybe they did or didn't. I have no idea since it doesn't seem to be anything that was ever written, so it could go either way. I'm just going by what the film showed me.

 

[Solo]

Also they nod at each other, but then seem to leave it at that? Really? Bruce just looks at him but then looks away, like he doesn't really care. Shouldn't they like, I dunno, reconnect or talk about it? There's a love between them and the last time we saw Alfred before that, he was flat out crying about how he failed Thomas and Martha.

Then he sees him alive, that he didn't fail, that his tears were for nothing, and it ends with a simple head nod? Jesus.

You didn't pay close enough attention, Brandon, and as such are missing out on why that shot and Bruce's nonchalant nod are *so* fucking perfect. Alfred said that in his dream, they simply acknowledge eachother. They don't speak. They don't interact. They simply briefly meet eyes and that is all Alfred needs to know.

 

[neorej]

It would have been a better film if the cafe was a Dunkin Donuts.

with nick fury giving tony stark a firm talking to.

it would be the perfect setup for the inevitable Iron Man vs Batman movie.

 

[Tookay]

I'm pretty sure that Bruce Wayne dying would kind of make big news in Gotham, even if it's overshadowed by Batman.

Dozens of rich people died. Gotham was occupied. A nuke went off.

The death of one recluse billionaire would hardly be news in the aftermath of the shit that went down at Gotham.

 

[zethren]

The Bat Signal is fixed, big smile on his face.

That scene was also ridiculously heart warming.

Screw anyone who wanted Bruce to actually be dead. haha

 

[Ninja Scooter]

No. I would have wanted for it to end with Alfred merely seeing something, which would have told us exactly what he was seeing. The meet-up could have then happened off-screen. I didn't want to see it happen. No. It wouldn't have worked. But ending it without that shot of them nodding and then seemingly going about ignoring each other would have worked wonders for me.

Bruce ditches Selena and he and takes Alfred back to his penthouse to make sweet, sweet love.

 

[Wilbur]

This makes me so fucking happy. Alfred's face when he sees him... I just get a smile on my face

 

[Sorcerer]

How would someone like Mr. freeze or Poison Ivy fit into his realistic world?

Also in the rouges gallery of villans Bane is easier to kill off, he's a beast but not likeable in the least, lacks the charm of the other villians.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

This makes me so fucking happy. Alfred's face when he sees him... I just get a smile on my face

the way bruce looks at him then just looks down like in deep thought.

They both killed it in that scene.

 

[Messypandas]

 

[Dabanton]

You didn't pay close enough attention, Brandon, and as such are missing out on why that shot and Bruce's nonchalant nod are *so* fucking perfect. Alfred said that in his dream, they simply acknowledge eachother. They don't speak. They don't interact. They simply briefly meet eyes and that is all Alfred needs to know.

How do people miss stuff like this? Alfred laid it out pretty clearly earlier in the film.

 

[Tookay]

the way bruce looks at him then just looks down like in deep thought.

They both killed it in that scene.

They both killed it in every scene.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Dozens of rich people died. Gotham was occupied. A nuke went off.

The death of one recluse billionaire would hardly be news in the aftermath of the shit that went down at Gotham.

he wasn't even a billionaire at that point. motherfucker was broke!

 

[Solo]

the way bruce looks at him then just looks down like in deep thought.

They both killed it in that scene.

He knows things will never be the same between them again and they will never speak again. That's heavy shit to process. Especially given that Alfred basically is his father figure.

 

[Sorcerer]

I thought it was a flawed but still fantastic movie. I really didn't like catwoman at all though.

Did anyone else find it completely ridiculous that the police would ignore Blake's and Gordon's testimony of the gang they saw underground?

It sets Modine up for some poetic justice.

 

[brandonh83]

You didn't pay close enough attention, Brandon, and as such are missing out on why that shot and Bruce's nonchalant nod are *so* fucking perfect. Alfred said that in his dream, they simply acknowledge eachother. They don't speak. They don't interact. They simply briefly meet eyes and that is all Alfred needs to know.

That was a dream. It was also a dream he had before he had to live with thinking that Bruce was dead and that he was a failure. Not the same thing.

 

[Killing_Joke]

So many posts really hurting my head.

How did Bruce get back to Gotham?? little girl can jump but not grown men??? where was two face???? Holy shit talk about retarded nitpicking. I'm not saying it's bad to nitpick or poke fun of silly mistakes in movies. But it seems like most of you guys focus on them SO much it completely ruins the movie for you. Which to me is bizarre. You have one side saying they spoon feed us too much but then you have the other half asking for MORE answers to shit that doesn't really need to be answered.

Here's my take on GAF's "criticisms" after just finished watching it a 3rd time.

Talia making the jump - I thought this was pretty obvious. EVERYONE can make the jump. But the only reason why Talia and Bruce made it was because they were 100% fearless. When you have the rope, you don't care if you miss the jump because you have a back up. Talia and Bruce had no rope. It's do or die. That's why when the bats popped out was so beautiful. He had to conquer the fear.

Bruce's broken back - The dude straight up says the other guy or maybe himself was a chiropractor. With their knowledge and Bruce's knowledge with training. It's not that far fetched he can recover on his own. Sure a punch to the back looks a little silly but it's not like that fixed him. He struggled for months, it's not like he woke up fresh as a daisy the next morning.

Batman and friends - I personally don't think anyone took a back seat in this movie but that's just my opinion. If you just simply don't like robin or catwoman, i can respect that. Gordon, Alfred, Bruce, and Fox all had great scenes and had amazing roles in the movie. Not sure what more you could have wanted out of them.

Fight scenes - I don't care what anyone says but as far as direction goes, how can you NOT like these more? You actually see what's going on. Besides the Bane fight, the best scene is when Robin is in awe looking at Batman making it look so easy taking down 6 dudes without killing any of them.

Plot is all over the place - This might help most with more viewings but i thought it was pretty straightforward. Talia and Bane want to fulfill Ra's destiny. They are doing it TOGETHER. I'm not sure why most of you thought one had more power then the other. Why didn't they just nuke it right away?!? I mean damn this was addressed loud and clear they wanted to torture Bruce and give Gotham false hope. It was Bruce/Fox who inadvertently made a homemade nuke for the League. They wanted to torture Bruce's soul. Make him watch for months millions of his people suffering and dying soon to be destroyed with his own stupid misjudgment. Catwoman was just a pawn in the game. Robin was just an aid for Gordon. Thought they made a perfect pairing that made sense.

The Ending - they foreshadowed the ending a million times. With Robin wearing a mask, Selina starting over, Alfred's dream, Batman is a symbol that will live on forever, etc etc..
What perfected the ending for me was the acting. Alfred's funeral scene, Fox's face when he heard Bruce fixed the autopilot, Gordon's x-mas morning expression when he saw the bat signal, and the simple yet perfect nod between Bruce and Alfred. SO FUCKING GOOD.
The Robin thing is a hit and miss but it was mainly just to prove that batman will live forever no matter who's under the suit. I dig it.

I'm not saying this is a perfect masterpiece nor that i love everything about it. Bane's voice was over done and The Bat looked goofy most of the time. But when it's all said and done. It was a great trilogy, damn near perfect. Nolan gave true justice to Batman. Good luck to anyone who's going to take over.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

He knows things will never be the same between them again and they will never speak again. That's heavy shit to process. Especially given that Alfred basically is his father figure.

it's beautiful

They both killed it in every scene.

indeed they did!

 

[MMaRsu]

Awwwww yeah

 

[TheKaeptain]

This makes me so fucking happy. Alfred's face when he sees him... I just get a smile on my face

Just continuing the tradition of Bruce/Alfred scenes being the best. I bet Bale and Caine drink like fucking maniacs when they hang out.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

MAYBE ITS ALL A DREAM THEN DUN DUN DUUUUUUUN

 

[zethren]

How would someone like Mr. freeze or Poison Ivy fit into his realistic world?

Poison Ivy: Environmentalist nut case, wants to destroy Gotham to allow nature to reclaim it.

Mister Freeze: Once a scientist who lost his great love to an accident during an experiment and was frozen to death, goes mad and becomes a serial killer who leaves his victims completely frozen to death. Wants to make everyone else feel the pain of losing a loved one the exact way he did.

 

[Carbonox]

This makes me so fucking happy. Alfred's face when he sees him... I just get a smile on my face

This. The audience cheered when this happened too.

 

[Wilbur]

But is that what would really happen? Just because he said that, I mean if you ran into a lifelong friend in another country by pure coincidence would you just quickly acknowledge his presence and go about your tea? Especially in the wake of all that has happened? I didn't buy it.

I don't think it was coincidence. Bruce must have kept tracks on him. Alfred was going to the cafe under the impression Bruce is dead, he seems like a confused and grief ridden man. Bruce is looking at him, he's tracked him.

Fucking Bane. Seriously, what was Nolan thinking? The Riddler, Penguin, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy are all better villain than fucking Bane. I did not feel like he was threatening at all.

Yeah, Riddler totally would have blown up bridges, taken over the whole city and fucked Batman up.

 

[The Mana Legend]

Dozens of rich people died. Gotham was occupied. A nuke went off.

The death of one recluse billionaire would hardly be news in the aftermath of the shit that went down at Gotham.

How many billionaires were the most eligible bachelors in Gotham who made the headlines all of the time, and had just recently returned to Gotham? And how many of them were owners of the biggest company in Gotham?