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ViewtifulJC said:
I will admit that Bane is little more then a big evil cat playing with his food, but I still feel, coming out in 2012, that the rioting mobs have a definite "give the poor power, and this is what they do" vibe, especially in the moment where Holly asks Selina why she isn't happier, because isn't this exactly what the wanted?
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I never got the impression that Bane was simply able to recruit the everyman. All his mob were inmates at Blackgate. Justice is balance though and this was vengeance, Selina has the same moral fibre as Bruce. Sure it'd be nice if corrupt bankers get sent to jail, do i want to see them hung from bridges and their homes and family defiled?
 
ViewtifulJC said:
I will admit that Bane is little more then a big evil cat playing with his food, but I still feel, coming out in 2012, that the rioting mobs have a definite "give the poor power, and this is what they do" vibe, especially in the moment where Holly asks Selina why she isn't happier, because isn't this exactly what the wanted?
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If anything it was a "this is what happens when you empower criminals and destroy the administrative apparatus of society."
 
I'll be curious to see what Nolan does next. Frankly, I see only 2 options.

1. Another film in the Inception universe. Lets face it - the movie was huge and Id be SHOCKED if WB weren't trying to cajole Nolan into exploring it some more.
2. Another original film. Nolan got Inception as a thank you for TDK, so its not a stretch to believe he will again get carte blanche as a thank you for TDKR.
 
JumpingTheGun said:
Question: Was Bane and Talia's relationship true to the comics or was it Nolanfied?
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Nolanfied, but was done in a good way.

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monsterfracas said:
I watched it last night, liked it quite a bit. Although I do think I prefer TDK.

Some impressions:

-Bane was really weak as a villain. Not nearly as threatening as the Joker was.
-Bruce Wayne should've died. As soon as it was found that the auto-pilot was fixed, you could see the ending coming a mile away.
-The section where Bane's plan comes to fruition was brilliant.
-The twist with Miranda was very well done as well.
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Yeah, we're going to be seeing a lot of this. :(
 
Solo said:
I'm not comic book reader, but to my knowledge, its a film only thing. I think in the comics and in TAS, Talia and Bruce had a thing.
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Yeah that's what I always thought. I thought it was a cool twist.

Also the soundtrack was fucking awesome and I'm probably going to be in the minor minority when I say I enjoyed Bane's performance more than the Joker.

And bravo for cutting out the music during that sewer fight. The utter simplicity of doing something like that just increases the brutality of the moment ten fold. I knew what was going to happen but I was still floored during that whole scene.
 
Solo said:
I'll be curious to see what Nolan does next. Frankly, I see only 2 options.

1. Another film in the Inception universe. Lets face it - the movie was huge and Id be SHOCKED if WB weren't trying to cajole Nolan into exploring it some more.
2. Another original film. Nolan got Inception as a thank you for TDK, so its not a stretch to believe he will again get carte blanche as a thank you for TDKR.
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I'm going with B.
 
soul creator said:
rewatching Batman Begins right now.

When Wayne does his initial training, he's fighting on thin ice
When Batman returns in TDKR, he's on thin ice

#poetry
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In a way, the Batman would serve the same purpose as the rope in the pit, right? An excuse not to fear death. BasedNolan!
 
Bruce dying would have been possibly THE worst ending for this particular vision of the story. This is a Bruce who was basically hoping for death after Rachel died. For him to find something to get back on his feet for, to keep fighting for, to live for, is so much more emotionally satisfying than Bruce sacrificing himself.

I'm not saying that I am against Batman dying on film. I think that is an avenue I would love to see explored by someone. But I am saying that it would have made absolutely no sense for Nolan's Batman.
 
monsterfracas said:
I watched it last night, liked it quite a bit. Although I do think I prefer TDK.

Some impressions:

-Bane was really weak as a villain. Not nearly as threatening as the Joker was.
-Bruce Wayne should've died. As soon as it was found that the auto-pilot was fixed, you could see the ending coming a mile away.
-The section where Bane's plan comes to fruition was brilliant.
-The twist with Miranda was very well done as well.
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Maybe I wasn't watching closely, but wasn't this twist somewhat out of left field? For someone who has seen the film more than once, or those who are more observant than I within their first viewing, is their adequate foreshadowing leading up to this reveal?
 
ViewtifulJC said:
I will admit that Bane is little more then a big evil cat playing with his food, but I still feel, coming out in 2012, that the rioting mobs have a definite "give the poor power, and this is what they do" vibe, especially in the moment where Holly asks Selina why she isn't happier, because isn't this exactly what the wanted?
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Or is it showing them the truth? If your ideology is to ignore the rights of others solely based off of their wealth, as Selina states, than well enjoy life under bane.
 
harSon said:
Maybe I wasn't watching closely, but wasn't this twist somewhat out of left field? For someone who has seen the film more than once, or those who are more observant than I within their first viewing, is their adequate foreshadowing leading up to this reveal?
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The flashbacks in the pit are easier to follow. There's adequate explanation beforehand.
 
Solo said:
Bruce dying would have been possibly THE worst ending for this particular vision of the story. This is a Bruce who was basically hoping for death after Rachel died. For him to find something to get back on his feet for, to keep fighting for, to live for, is so much more emotionally satisfying than Bruce sacrificing himself.

I'm not saying that I am against Batman dying on film. I think that is an avenue I would love to see explored by someone. But I am saying that it would have made absolutely no sense for Nolan's Batman.
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Death of a protagonist can be epic, not only if done right, but if it makes sense. I agree with you though, there were too many reasons why he had to live.
 
harSon said:
Maybe I wasn't watching closely, but wasn't this twist somewhat out of left field? For someone who has seen the film more than once, or those who are more observant than I within their first viewing, is their adequate foreshadowing leading up to this reveal?
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The only foreshadowing as such as the rather clunky scene where we see her scar.

Otherwise we are given no indication that she isn't on the level until she stabs Bruce.
 
harSon said:
Maybe I wasn't watching closely, but wasn't this twist somewhat out of left field? For someone who has seen the film more than once, or those who are more observant than I within their first viewing, is their adequate foreshadowing leading up to this reveal?
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The only hint I saw was a very brief shot of a scar on her back which signified just about nothing.
 
Wilbury said:
The only device capable of stopping the bomb is killed at the football field isn't it? The stopping the trigger man was just so they have more time to handle it.

I can't remember exactly what Gordon was doing in the back. Someone enlighten me?
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How I took it:

The only person that could turn difuse the bomb, to turn it back into "just" a fusion reactor, was Pavel. He dead.

Left 2 choices: Either reattach the core (the round ball) back into the arms in that underground room, or George Mason it (fly it outside of range of the city).

If they could have gotten the core back to the reactor, it would still be a bomb, but one that's power source wouldn't decay, and it wouldn't be a time bomb. Without the triggerman, someone could eventually disarm it, or at least came up with a solution. It wouldn't just "go off."



The twist with Miranda, coincides with the twist of Bane, and the "Child escaping the pit." Bane's various hints imply that he isn't the child, before the existence of the child was even brought up.
 
harSon said:
Maybe I wasn't watching closely, but wasn't this twist somewhat out of left field? For someone who has seen the film more than once, or those who are more observant than I within their first viewing, is their adequate foreshadowing leading up to this reveal?
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well it is mentioned in BB that Ras had a daughter (a nod to the comics) and in TDKR there are a couple of dialogue similarities between Ras and Miranda
 
Not Nolanfied at all. This is how she's been written since Morrison took over Batman in 2005, hell I'd go back further to 2003 when Rucka changed her character. She's a manipulative woman who once loved Bruce but hates him completely now because of what he did to her father. Nolan just skipped the love part.
 
My only big qualm with the ending is the decision to show Bruce. I thought it was kind of hammy - I would have preferred it if the film just cut at Alfred's smile and onto the next scene.
 
Solo said:
The only foreshadowing as such as the rather clunky scene where we see her scar.

Otherwise we are given no indication that she isn't on the level until she stabs Bruce.
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Ugh, there's nothing more infuriating than an unjustified twist for the sake of insuring shock...
 
It's something we all knew would happen, but dammit, seeing Gotham finally learn that Batman didn't kill all those people, and having him celebrated as the hero of Gotham......man, there is a lot of dust in this room......
 
NullPointer said:
The only hint I saw was a very brief shot of a scar on her back which signified just about nothing.
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All of their plans that involved Tate failed.

I watched knowing that Tate was Talia though, so I didn't feel it was much of something to think about. Also felt that Bane was essentially what Ken Watanabe's Ra's Al Ghul's was to Deckard; a figurehead.


Crewnh said:
Out of respect to Ledger.
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This is my biggest problem with the movie. I understand Nolan's viewpoint, but Joker was such a big part of TDK that leaving him out just felt wrong.
 
watching TDKR, I have to say that while TDK was the best batman movie, TDKR was the proper sequel to Begins and could be argued that they both become much stronger together because of it, while TDK stands strong alone but falters when trying to put it in the middle of a duology of sorts. Still I was very happy with the movie. It started admittedly very slow, but it ramped up quite well. Anne Hathaway nailed down Catwoman very well which was great, but Tom Hardy stole the show, overdub or not. His portral of Bane reminded me of a more sinister Secret Six rendition.

Also gotta give Bale for holding out as long as he could with the batvoice but he couldn't help it when it came to "WHEREURHAOUHAOE"S THERRRAR TTRIIIIIIIIGIGHHHHHHERRRRRR"""
 
harSon said:
Ugh, there's nothing more infuriating than an unjustified twist for the sake of insuring shock...
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Had Nolan given more hints people would complain about spoonfeeding and seeing the "twist" miles away

Same thing with the ending with Alfred, without Bruce we will be hearing what's real and what's not, and now with Bruce people are saying he shouldn't be included in that final shot.
 
I feel bad for Gordon still. he doesn't really get his happy ending. He gets some comfort knowing Bruce is alive i guess but his family abandoned the poor fucker
 
Tookay said:
What do you expect her to do? Cackle behind his back? She's keeping a persona in front of Bruce. She's not going to reveal much.
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It's a rule of screenwriting. You don't hamfist a twist into your plot out of left field, it's pedestrian as fuck.
 
Messypandas said:
I feel bad for Gordon still. he doesn't really get his happy ending. He gets some comfort knowing Bruce is alive i guess but his family abandoned the poor fucker
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At least they were out of harms way. Nolan's Gotham finally became "That place you have to be crazy to live in", like the comics.
 
Messypandas said:
I feel bad for Gordon still. he doesn't really get his happy ending. He gets some comfort knowing Bruce is alive i guess but his family abandoned the poor fucker
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Gordon really suffered. Almost as much as Bruce did. Dude had to live a lie for 8 years, lead a manhunt for a man he knew was innocent, eulogize a man he knew was a murderous psychopath who tried to murder his family, lost said family, was ravaged by Bane, etc.

He was so goddamn happy though when he found out Bruce was alive.
 
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