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Wow, the Knowles reviews is hilarious.

I will agree with him on one point though. Alfred would never ditch Bruce.

Also agree with the Bane fight (notably the second) not being up to the first one, but it didn't kill the film for me. The 2nd fight did come off as Batman beating bane with brawn, and not brains.

If you watch the 2nd fight again, Batman changes his attack and starts trying to use his gauntlets to cut his tubes until he's finally successful. He also finally realizes he needs to actually dodge Bane's super punches. lol

I thought that was pretty cool.
 
In fairness, he didn't really ditch him. They had a major disagreement. Alfred would have left Gotham with the intention of coming back, but obviously the city was in lock down after he left.

I never got the feeling Alfred ditched him, it was Bruce kicking him out. Alfred didn't give up on him because he still went to that Paris cafe to see if his dream would come true.

I need a rewatch!
 
People seem to love the prison climb but that scene didn't do anything for me. It wasn't bad by any means but I wouldn't list it as a highlight of the trilogy, or even the movie.

Same for me. We all knew it was coming anyway. There was no struggle to overcome before his "escape". He talked to some old guys, he did some pushups, fails a few times but guess what? Third time's the charm! And all just in time to save Gotham from nuclear armageddon.


As you probably guessed both the prison and the nuclear bomb plot points are the worst in the trilogy in my opinion. So predictable.
 
Top 5 moments....


1. Chase scene in TDK, from the start, to the Tumbler being revealed, to the ending with Gordon capturing Joker (even at the marathon Firday, this still got the biggest cheer from audience)

2. Joker meets the mob bosses.

3. Bane Vs. Batman (first one)

4. Joker walking out of the Hospital

5. Ra's reveals himself to Bruce at his party. The way they tie in the "immorality" thing, and never fully reveal if he is immortal or if the name is passed down, was just brilliant. Also loved the line "You're welcome to explain the situation."
 
People seem to love the prison climb but that scene didn't do anything for me. It wasn't bad by any means but I wouldn't list it as a highlight of the trilogy, or even the movie.

I found the climb weird because there was no risk in it really. When I first saw it, I thought the rope was tied around their necks which would make sense. You fall you die. Instead its around your waste so there's no real risk. It's like a really fun game to play in jail. Why not just try every day? The whacky rope climb climb game.
 
I never got the feeling Alfred ditched him, it was Bruce kicking him out. Alfred didn't give up on him because he still went to that Paris cafe to see if his dream would come true.

I need a rewatch!

Alfred left him. At that point he decided he wouldn't stay and watch Bruce kill himself.
 
Just finished watching the movie. Man what a great film and a fantastic end to the trilogy. Also Batmanis dead? Meh. Alfred cying in front the graves of the Wayne family? Noooo ;_;
 
If you watch the 2nd fight again, Batman changes his attack and starts trying to use his gauntlets to cut his tubes until he's finally successful. He also finally realizes he needs to actually dodge Bane's super punches. lol

I thought that was pretty cool.
I was wondering if he would wreck Bane's mask with his gauntlets the way he broke Liam Neeson's (What? I can't decide between Ra's or Ducard) sword in the last fight in Begins. Just trap both gauntlets in the mask and go "HOW ABOUT THIS?!" and tear it apart.
 
Wow, the Knowles reviews is hilarious.

I will agree with him on one point though. Alfred would never ditch Bruce.

It does seem a little strange that Alfred would support Bruce being Batman all the way to that point, and suddenly ditch him. You think he would have pushed more on the normal life issue during the eight years of peace and not allow him to be a secluded crazy rich man.

Also agree with the Bane fight (notably the second) not being up to the first one, but it didn't kill the film for me. The 2nd fight did come off as Batman beating bane with brawn, and not brains.

The second fight seemed like he was more prepared for the it (thanks to prison weight lifting and powerful malnutrition) and that he busted up the mask distracting Bane.


Just finished watching the movie. Man what a great film and a fantastic end to the trilogy. Also Batmanis dead? Meh. Alfred cying in front the graves of the Wayne family? Noooo ;_;

I tend to sit on the importance of a scene before feeling the impact, so it was pretty much ruined by Bruce at the restaurant.
 
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I found the climb weird because there was no risk in it really. When I first saw it, I thought the rope was tied around their necks which would make sense. You fall you die. Instead its around your waste so there's no real risk. It's like a really fun game to play in jail. Why not just try every day? The whacky rope climb climb game.

Because you knock your head against a wall.

Also the first time up he yanks on the rope when he's on the platform, so I was like oh he has to take off the rope. And then he didn't get it that time. And then he didn't get it again. I expected him to just do it the third time after realizing it himself, but he had to be directly told it by the old dude. :/
 
The real ending should have been Bruce walking on the beach up to a sail boat.

They close in on the boat, and it's revealed to be his friend from the prison.

man tears.
 
Because you knock your head against a wall.

Also the first time up he yanks on the rope when he's on the platform, so I was like oh he has to take off the rope. And then he didn't get it that time. And then he didn't get it again. I expected him to just do it the third time after realizing it himself, but he had to be directly told it by the old dude. :/

The entire sequence was set up and presented like it was supposed to be some great learning period for Bruce but between constantly cutting back to the city, the man explicitly explaining the theme ("you must re-learn to fear death") and the general disconnect from the rest of the movie (how did they get there? How did he get back? The prison has no sense of distance attached to it) it just felt shoehorned in.
 
A death would have been cheap. We needed Bruce to no longer need Batman to complete his journey.
I felt like they could have done more with Bane.

He didn't have a device that jacked him up on steroids like he usually does.

Do they ever explain why he wears that mask?
Did you watch the movie?

He got his ass kicked when he helped Talia get out, and the doctor fucked with his treatment and made it worse during recovery. Talia has an explicit line saying "after the doctor was done with him..."
 
I found the climb weird because there was no risk in it really. When I first saw it, I thought the rope was tied around their necks which would make sense. You fall you die. Instead its around your waste so there's no real risk. It's like a really fun game to play in jail. Why not just try every day? The whacky rope climb climb game.

They do do it every day. That's the point. They'll always try it and always fail. That's the whole false hope aspect of it.
 
Just got back from seeing this and I thought it was awesome, potentially my favourite part of the trilogy but I do have some minuscule complaints.

Firstly the death of Bane. I thought it was truly tragic seeing him wither in pain after getting beaten up, which is strange given that he is the villain, but I thought the way he got killed off as being a bit cheap and the benefit of Kyle shooting him with the bat pod only really served to provide some comic relief which I felt was slightly inappropriate in the scene. I felt like I wanted Bane to recognise Waynes accomplishments, maybe even respecting him for climbing out of the Lazarus pit.

Actually I can't really think of any other issues at the moment because it was just that awesome, damn I was near crying when Batman was getting the shit beat out of him in the sewers, the way he was helplessly trying to use his gadgets to no effect was chilling and shook me more than other films. Tom Hardy was also excellent in this scene, the way he hissed and yelled his words was intense.
 
I liked the movie, but I didn't love it.

My biggest issue with the movie is that it tries to be all serious and dramatic and 'anti action movie' then it shamelessly indulges in damn every action movie cliche imaginable.

they basically took all the fun out of a comic book action movie, but kept the worst cliched plot elements. The fact protagonist deaths, the fake figurehead villain (who is also a james bond type villian that refuses to kill the hero when he has the chance) , the sidekick with questionable loyalty, the stupid ticking time bomb for what seems like half the movie.
 
Did you watch the movie?

He got his ass kicked when he helped Talia get out, and the doctor fucked with his treatment and made it worse during recovery. Talia has an explicit line saying "after the doctor was done with him..."

Yeah, I do like the idea that he needs the mask to constantly pump painkillers into his face to avoid excruciating agony.
 
They do do it every day. That's the point. They'll always try it and always fail. That's the whole false hope aspect of it.

But why the lack of risk? If you're going to try and escape from jail then there should be consequences. And given the fact that Bruce Bale tried it so often, it didnt really seem that big of a deal. It was contrived. Set up in such a way that would allow Bruce to try and fail over and over again until he learned his lesson.
 
But why the lack of risk? If you're going to try and escape from jail then there should be consequences. And given the fact that Bruce Bale tried it so often, it didnt really seem that big of a deal. It was contrived. Set up in such a way that would allow Bruce to try and fail over and over again until he learned his lesson.

The prison overall was not much of a hellhole.
 
Watching TDK again:

"Batman couldn't want to do this forever; how could he? He's looking for someone to take up his mantle"

Mary Stu JGL to the rescue, but I do like the concept
 
Man did I love Alfred in this movie. From his Mickey impersonation to him finally realizing his dream at the end.

"You can't win Mr. Wayne! He'll kill you to death!"
 
1. Bruce embracing his fear (bats) when he first discovers the Bat Cave.
2. Will to Act training montage with Ra's.
3. Joker interrogation scene.
4. 'Gordon, every unit is on the island with you.. there's nobody left!' *Tumbler roars across the expanse into the Narrows* OMG MY DICK IS HARD MEET ME SOMEWHERE
5. Dent holding Gordon's family hostage.



6. SWEAR TO ME!
 
But why the lack of risk? If you're going to try and escape from jail then there should be consequences. And given the fact that Bruce Bale tried it so often, it didnt really seem that big of a deal. It was contrived. Set up in such a way that would allow Bruce to try and fail over and over again until he learned his lesson.

It's not about risk, it's about giving people hope that they could leave but will never be able to. It's absolute torture.
 
There are too many awesome moments in the entire trilogy to count or make a list of. And yes TDKR adds to the list a lot too. The ending, the Bane vs Batman fight, Catwoman ass kicking, Bruce getting out of the well, Bruce vs Alfred... and one of my personal favorite scenes from the movie was when JGL was storming the hospital with his loaded shotgun to save Gordon only to find that Gordon had one upped the goons.
 
There are too many awesome moments in the entire trilogy to count or make a list of. And yes TDKR adds to the list a lot too. The ending, the Bane vs Batman fight, Catwoman ass kicking, Bruce getting out of the well... and one of my personal favorite scenes from the movie was when JGL was storming the hospital with his loaded shotgun to save Gordon only to find that Gordon had one upped the goons.

"Check your corners, rookie."
 
Wow, the Knowles reviews is hilarious.

I will agree with him on one point though. Alfred would never ditch Bruce.

Also agree with the Bane fight (notably the second) not being up to the first one, but it didn't kill the film for me. The 2nd fight did come off as Batman beating bane with brawn, and not brains.

Yeah it's a embarrassing whiny review
 
Watching TDK again:

"Batman couldn't want to do this forever; how could he? He's looking for someone to take up his mantle"

Mary Stu JGL to the rescue, but I do like the concept

How is JGL's character a Mary Stu?

Would love to have your opinion on why. I didn't feel it that way though.
 
For example, he complained about some of the movie being unrealistic and then at the same time suggests clayface and manbat as better villains.

This is far far far worse:

I call absolute BULLSHIT on that notion right there. BATMAN/BRUCE WAYNE isn’t some soft-hearted slob that hides for the majority of a decade because somebody killed his girlfriend. If anything, that’s why he hits the street. The elimination of organized crime isn’t what pulls him off the street… it’s stopping street crime, any crime. He fights in the night so the only people that fear the streets at night are the cockroaches that prey upon fucking humanity. He’s fucking BATMAN. BATMAN doesn’t mope around his mansion unmotivated to participate in the fucking world. He isn’t that kind of person.

You mean like Bruce Wayne didn't disappear for 7 years during his early adulthood in Batman Begins? If anything, those are the only two coping mechanisms Bruce Wayne has: disappear or get even.
 
JGL's performance in this movie was bizarre. In the beginning he was so utterly wooden that I couldn't believe it was him and then consistently as the movie goes on his acting skill increases.
 
It's not about risk, it's about giving people hope that they could leave but will never be able to. It's absolute torture.

Would've been more hard hitting if I looked up and said "I could try to get up there but if I fail I die". Freedom so close yet so far. Do I risk it, can I even make it? Makes more sense to me. But as I said. Contrived and set up for Bruce.
 
Sure, why not:


1. Bane vs. Batman first fight
2. Joker interrogation
3. TDKR Batman revealing himself for the first time in 8 years
4. Bruce with ski-mask first meeting up with lt. Gordon in BB
5. Dent's "you can't give in!"

Bonus: "Nice coat"
 
Would've been more hard hitting if I looked up and said "I could try to get up there but if I fail I die". Freedom so close yet so far. Do I risk it, can I even make it? Makes more sense to me. But as I said. Contrived and set up for Bruce.

But what if you don't die, and every day you know you could try but you'll always fail?

I think that's much more punishing than just some instant death.
 
Would've been more hard hitting if I looked up and said "I could try to get up there but if I fail I die". Freedom so close yet so far. Do I risk it, can I even make it? Makes more sense to me. But as I said. Contrived and set up for Bruce.

It's more cruel with the rope. Without it, you simply die, and that is its own form of release. With the rope, you get tortured each time with the false hope of escape, only to fail again.
 
This is far far far worse:



You mean like Bruce Wayne didn't disappear for 7 years during his early adulthood in Batman Begins? If anything, those are the only two coping mechanisms Bruce Wayne has: disappear or get even.

Wait. Bruce didn't give up being Batman because Rachel died, he gave it up because of how chose to deal with the Dent situation.
 
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