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nilbog21 said:
I must have missed this in TDK, but why was batman a cripple at the beginning of the movie, and why did he have no cartilage in his knees?
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Because he had spent a year of his life lurking through the night physically engaging criminals which resulted in being lit on fire, stabbed, shot, falling from fairly high buildings several times, attacked by large dogs, beaten with a crowbar, plowed into the concrete beam of a parking garage, and wrecked both his batpod and his lamborghini, not to mention having spent seven years before that fist fighting random prison convicts. It takes a toll.
 
It was just ok. I liked Bane a lot. He was really scary, Selena Kyle was good too.
 
Some thoughts-

Good

- some voice/dub issues aside, bane was a fucking terrifying villain, and the perfect way to end the series. If they would've improved the voice just a little more he'd easily be up there with Liam Neeson/Joker/Two Face for me, and if I ever watch with subtitles I'll probably like him more. Tom Hardy in the fight scenes was incredible, the last part (which I mostly hated otherwise) where he got to show some emotion was great.

- fight scenes are FAR better than BB or TDK.

- loved JGL's character, the very brief but very cringeworthy "you hothead! Stop playing by your own rules!" moments aside.

- Anne Hathaway was incredibly hot. Holy shit. Best she's looked since Havoc and she wasn't topless in this at all. acting and stuff was good too.

- outstanding acting by Michael Caine and Christian Bale: everyone else was great too, but those two really stood out for me.

- felt the most comic bookish by far which is love or hate, personally loved it. Funniest by a long shot, too, without being really lame or taking away from the seriousness which was the case a lot in the first two

- even if some of it was really blatant and kind of insultingly obvious with nailing the themes into your head...it worked, just the whole thing. For all the negatives I'll list next, this movie just tied it all together in the most satisfying way I seen in a long time. Nolan earned the dumb moments as well as the epic ending, so I really can't fault him at all for the problems I've got. He gave me a perfect Batman trilogy, so yeah "JGL's first name is Robin" was stupid, but I don't care. He earned it.

- Bruce/Alfred ending

Bad

- Marion Cotillard and her whole character. Love her, but it was really dumb, and in my opinion kind of unnecessary. It was like in Scream where Roseanne's sister is in two scenes then jumps out in the end and says "Gotcha! I'm connected to this whole story and am the big twist!" Took me out of the whole thing. lmao at her dramatic eye death.

- so many boring, interchangeable new minor characters, who get so few scenes that I can barely tell them apart, but I'm supposed to care about them all. Did the blond cop die at the end or was that one of the other new characters? I have to just assume some of them were comic shoutouts or something, but it just killed the rhythm for me whenever any of them would show up.

- had a really hard time understanding Hardy at some points. Think that comes down to my bad hearing and the particular theater's really poor audio, though. Really wish it would've been polished more.

- not enough Gordon, and I wish he would have gotten more of an ending.

- would've liked more time spent on Gotham and its citizens going to hell, but I understand why there wasn't more focus on it.

- weird that there was no resolution at all for Juno Temple's character, considering she got just enough screen time and importance that it would've made sense. lol did Selina just ditch her at the end? Or maybe she went with them and Bruce is getting some sweet threeway action.

Rankings best to worst: TDKR, TDK, BB.
 
Scullibundo said:
I need to see what the Joker looks like on fear gas.
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I'm glad there was no way to get the Joker in TDKR. He didn't mean to be there. Scarecrow was always a secondary villain, one with a single gimmick, to the greater threat of Ra's Al Ghul and the League of Shadows. There's no way you could take such a dominating character like the Joker, especially one so integral to Batman's story arc, and degrade him to a second rate cameo. It wouldn't fit his MO and it would overshadow a film that is dealing with different issues.

Scarecrow had no relationship with Bruce or Batman, and that's why his cameo works.
 
Tobor said:
Wasn't it kind of a dick move for Bats to make Gordon and the cops hang out on the ice while his sign lit up?

I'd be like "Fuck your flare, get us out of here!"
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why did everyone walk out on the ice? don't they know you want to spread out your weight?
 
EatChildren said:
I'm glad there was no way to get the Joker in TDKR. He didn't mean to be there. Scarecrow was always a secondary villain, one with a single gimmick, to the greater threat of Ra's Al Ghul and the League of Shadows. There's no way you could take such a dominating character like the Joker, especially one so integral to Batman's story arc, and degrade him to a second rate cameo. It wouldn't fit his MO and it would overshadow a film that is dealing with different issues.

Scarecrow had no relationship with Bruce or Batman, and that's why his cameo works.
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Him being the one who fixed the Bat Signal would have been a great nod.
 
as much as i liked seeing cillian murphy back as crane, i thought it was a pretty forced cameo myself. the joker would have made much more sense as a stinger scene to blow people's minds and walk away with an "oh shit" feeling.
 
vicissitudes said:
Funny how more people rank Batman Begins as the best now. I preferred it to the Dark Knight before it was cool.
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I personally can't see how it's better than the other two. It was a solid beginning, but I don't think it was nearly as ambitious in writing or plot. It all struck me as being much more paint-by-numbers.
 
Saw the movie and enjoyed it. Not sure I buy that people would act the way they did but that doesn't really matter.

I'm a bit confused about Talia's master plan though.

Did she give Wayne Enterprises a crap load of money to build a fusion reactor before or after she knew it could be made into a bomb?
The project was shutdown immediately after Bruce found out it could be weaponised, but must've been in the works for a while.

It seemed like a lot of effort (Give the $$$, kidnap the Scientist, Infiltrate Wayne Enterprises, etc) to do what could have ultimately been accomplished by painting a big piece of foam to look like a bomb and getting a loyal minion to pretend that he was the only one to disarm it at the football match.

If they really wanted to destroy the city and inhabitants, I'm sure a bunch of methods other could have been used once the city was locked down.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
Or a feeling of "Damn, too bad we didn't have him through the entire movie."
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Exactly. If people saw Joker it would only remind them how much more fun they could be having. Not to mention wondering what he was doing wasting his time sending people to die in such a boring way that proves nothing.

That isn't what Joker is about.
 
Scullibundo said:
Exactly. If people saw Joker it would only remind them how much more fun they could be having. Not to mention wondering what he was doing wasting his time sending people to die in such a boring way that proves nothing.

That isn't what Joker is about.
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If anything, Joker would be the asshole out on the ice throwing things to crack it under people's feet.
 
Personally, I think we wouldn't have this movie with this storyline if Heath Ledger had lived. So theorizing whether Joker would or wouldn't fit is kind of redundant, since the story was written well after Heath's death and after the decision to leave the character alone out of respect had been made.

Messypandas said:
it would have beeb amazing to see joker hit by cranes fear gas and for him to be unaffected
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this expression as a reaction to the fear toxin would've been golden.
 
What would be amazing is if we found out that the reason Bane didn't fear Batman or anything else for that matter was become the numbing agent being fed into him was a strain of the blue flowers. He has become numb to fear!
 
neorej said:
Personally, I think we wouldn't have this movie with this storyline if Heath Ledger had lived. So theorizing whether Joker would or wouldn't fit is kind of redundant, since the story was written well after Heath's death and after the decision to leave the character alone out of respect had been made.
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This is what would of happened whole movie would be different. We will never know what could of been.
 
The Mana Legend said:
Oh yeah, that Scarecrow cameo really bothered me and felt 100% out of place. If you're going to have him come back, give him something to do, and don't turn an excellent villain into some useless joke. Scarecrow should have been in that prison (as punishment by Bane for not succeeding with the League of Shadows).
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I didn't have this complain and felt his comedic cameo was excellent but now that you mentioned it....that could have been amazing. Scarecrow in the prison with Bruce playing mind tricks but then eventually using his drugs to help Bruce get out.

Alternately it could have also worked with Bane making Wayne Manor as his HQ and building his own prison of sorts in there where all the rich and corrupt are kept. Along with Bruce.

OR

Alfred is also imprisoned and him and Bruce work out their differences and Alfred helps him over come the climb...there is also a callback to "you still haven't given up on me? NEVAH"
 
Oxirane said:
Saw the movie and enjoyed it. Not sure I buy that people would act the way they did but that doesn't really matter.

I'm a bit confused about Talia's master plan though.

Did she give Wayne Enterprises a crap load of money to build a fusion reactor before or after she knew it could be made into a bomb?
The project was shutdown immediately after Bruce found out it could be weaponised, but must've been in the works for a while.

It seemed like a lot of effort (Give the $$$, kidnap the Scientist, Infiltrate Wayne Enterprises, etc) to do what could have ultimately been accomplished by painting a big piece of foam to look like a bomb and getting a loyal minion to pretend that he was the only one to disarm it at the football match.

If they really wanted to destroy the city and inhabitants, I'm sure a bunch of methods other could have been used once the city was locked down.
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She probably knew the fusion reactor could be weaponized, it's nuclear (doesn't take a genius) The Russian scientist provided a way to do that. I think the plan has always been to make Bruce suffer. What better way than to use his own creation against him.
 
Awesome film.

Bane was a fucking boss. DEM RIB SHOTS. Although I think he needed a better send off (I know Batman can't beat him one on one but still unmask him or something..meh) or motivation (I know she's fine and all but bro you were gonna die over that?)...still the simple fac that every punch he landed was a bomb was awesome.

I thought Hathaway was a great Catwoman. She didn't play up the sex appeal part and was you felt like she was a threat.

Some of the sappier scenes were lost on my cold heart but they were solid.

I will also say that the twist got me...and I feel bad. I knew Ra's had a Daughter not a son but I assumed it was another change but...nope. Got me.

As for Robin, I more or less denied it until it happened lol.

Really enjoyable movie..probably the best fights in the series if only because Batman gets his ass kicked.

But i rank them like.


BB=TDK=TDKR.


All of them are awesome films that gets the whole GODDAM BATMAN thing right without some of the stuff I don't like from the series.

Hopefully WB lets the franchise breathe (outside of the Justice League...but they gotta not fuck up Superman first)...but yeah we all know in 5-6 years we will see Robert Pattenson in The Caped Crusader.

At least we these films right?
 
Zzoram said:
The whole pit thing was weird all around. Bane breaks Batman's back then carries him all the way to India to put him in a pit, then Batman climbs out and gets all the way back to Gotham somehow.

That plus the whole "jump" that only Talia and Batman could pull off are things that stand out as quite the stretch compared to the other already implausible but more reasonable parts of the movie.
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No where in the movie is it mentioned that its India. We only know that because we followed the movie production and know it was shot in India.

For all we know it was in Mexico. Also 5 months pass between the beat down of Bruce and Bruce coming back.

And while on screen its the very next shot, after the back is damaged it could have taken them a day or two for Bruce to be transported to the prison.
 
I liked Bane better than the Joker. He had character. I didn't like catwoman or the flashback ghosts that much, though. I thought the character arcs in this movie were the best of the three, but the plot was a little off. People's motivations didn't tie together as clearly.

I think Batman is Pat Bateman's new delusion after going through anger management therapy. He imagines that other people just had to kill a lot of people.
 
The "hothead" scenes were so random, even JGL's character was looking like "What the hell is he talking about". It reminded me of that airplane scene in Anger Management.


"Calm down sir"
"But I am calm.."
"LOWER YOUR VOICE SIR"
"But I'm not yelling"
"THAT'S IT, GET THE TASER"
 
I just realized something about the well/prison parallel.

Bruce falls into the well.

He learns to pick himself up out of the prison.
 
Scullibundo said:
What would be amazing is if we found out that the reason Bane didn't fear Batman or anything else for that matter was become the numbing agent being fed into him was a strain of the blue flowers. He has become numb to fear!
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Full circle of poetry.
I just realized something about the well/prison parallel.

Bruce falls into the well.

He learns to pick himself up out of the prison.
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You're a quick one aren't you?
 
The fuck, guys? Crane makes way more sense as the judge. He's a psycho who wants power over everyone else. He enjoys the reversal. The Joker doesn't care about power.
 
Just saw this at a real Imax. Aggghhhhh it was beautiful to watch the film fill the massive screen on those amazing action scenes. Movie as a whole unfortunately isn't as good as Batman Begins or Dark Knight however... :(
Great epilogue though, love the final shot of JGL on top of the platform rising into the air to the Dark Knight Rises logo.
 
What I think is great is that way back when filming started and cast lists started coming out, people just came out wildly speculating that the scene in India was Nolan's version of the Lazarus Pit, that Cotillard was Talia, and JGL was Robin, or was some Batman-next-in-line, then they were quickly shot down.

Turns out that was all right.
 
SJRB said:
The "hothead" scenes were so random, even JGL's character was looking like "What the hell is he talking about". It reminded me of that airplane scene in Anger Management.


"Calm down sir"
"But I am calm.."
"LOWER YOUR VOICE SIR"
"But I'm not yelling"
"THAT'S IT, GET THE TASER"
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especially after he went foaming at the mouth to catch Batman, not to serve justice, but to DO WHAT JIM GORDON NEVER DID!
 
The Mana Legend said:
Oh yeah, that Scarecrow cameo really bothered me and felt 100% out of place. If you're going to have him come back, give him something to do, and don't turn an excellent villain into some useless joke. Scarecrow should have been in that prison (as punishment by Bane for not succeeding with the League of Shadows).
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effzee said:
I didn't have this complain and felt his comedic cameo was excellent but now that you mentioned it....that could have been amazing. Scarecrow in the prison with Bruce playing mind tricks but then eventually using his drugs to help Bruce get out.

Alternately it could have also worked with Bane making Wayne Manor as his HQ and building his own prison of sorts in there where all the rich and corrupt are kept. Along with Bruce.

OR

Alfred is also imprisoned and him and Bruce work out their differences and Alfred helps him over come the climb...there is also a callback to "you still haven't given up on me? NEVAH"
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These would have been very intriguing.
 
My thoughts on the movie pretty much parallel everyone else except for the "OMG THAT WAS PERFECT" segment of the audience.

PROS
*Anne Hathaway as Catwoman was great-she totally delivered and brought a much needed levity to the scenes she was in. DAT ASS....
*JGL was great-even if he just happens to guess "Yeah I know you're Batman. No biggie."
*The entire third act when Bruce returns is great.
*TREMENDOUS scene with Dr. Crane as the judge-he rocked and that set design there was awesome.

CONS
*I personally feel Bane was completely wasted-all his scenes -ESPECIALLY his speech at the football stadium came off poorly to me, whereas I loved all the villains in the previous 2 movies. He was just so...boring!
*Very poor pacing problems in this movie-I honestly can't believe how slow the second act is...
*Very poor writing with the foreshadowing. "This darn auto-pilot is broken." "Man, auto-pilot still broken..." "I go to this cafe in Paris every Saturday night looking for you"
*I'm broke as of today. 10 minutes later my power goes out. :/
*In Batman Begins, Lucius shows Bruce the armor and says it will stop a knife. But not Talia's knife!
*You could edit out every scene with Matthew Modine in this movie, and you wouldn't miss a thing. In fact, the movie's pacing problems could use this.
 
MDavis360 said:
My thoughts on the movie pretty much parallel everyone else except for the "OMG THAT WAS PERFECT" segment of the audience.

PROS
*Anne Hathaway as Catwoman was great-she totally delivered and brought a much needed levity to the scenes she was in. DAT ASS....
*JGL was great-even if he just happens to guess "Yeah I know you're Batman. No biggie."
*The entire third act when Bruce returns is great.
*TREMENDOUS scene with Dr. Crane as the judge-he rocked and that set design there was awesome.

CONS
*I personally feel Bane was completely wasted-all his scenes -ESPECIALLY his speech at the football stadium came off poorly to me, whereas I loved all the villains in the previous 2 movies. He was just so...boring!
*Very poor pacing problems in this movie-I honestly can't believe how slow the second act is...
*Very poor writing with the foreshadowing. "This darn auto-pilot is broken." "Man, auto-pilot still broken..." "I go to this cafe in Paris every Saturday night looking for you"
*I'm broke as of today. 10 minutes later my power goes out. :/
*In Batman Begins, Lucius shows Bruce the armor and says it will stop a knife. But not Talia's knife!
*You could edit out every scene with Matthew Modine in this movie, and you wouldn't miss a thing. In fact, the movie's pacing problems could use this.
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You skipped the part in The Dark Knight where he gets a new suit?
 
MDavis360 said:
CONS
*I personally feel Bane was completely wasted-all his scenes -ESPECIALLY his speech at the football stadium came off poorly to me, whereas I loved all the villains in the previous 2 movies. He was just so...boring!
*Very poor pacing problems in this movie-I honestly can't believe how slow the second act is...
*Very poor writing with the foreshadowing. "This darn auto-pilot is broken." "Man, auto-pilot still broken..." "I go to this cafe in Paris every Saturday night looking for you"
*I'm broke as of today. 10 minutes later my power goes out. :/
*In Batman Begins, Lucius shows Bruce the armor and says it will stop a knife. But not Talia's knife!
*You could edit out every scene with Matthew Modine in this movie, and you wouldn't miss a thing. In fact, the movie's pacing problems could use this.
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- Bane's speech in the prison - "Climbing over each other to see the sun" was pretty powerful I thought. Especially since he speaks from personal experience.

- That was the BB suit. Wayne is rocking the TDK suit this time around. Separation of plates makes him vulnerable to knives and gun fire.
 
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