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[Pie and Beans]

So it wasn't just the mix in my theater? Dialogue was lost due to the swelling of the music at times. Absolutely terrible.

Nolan always seems to want to have his audio cake and eat in relation to soundtrack, ambient noise, and speech. Take for instance the rushing air outside an aeroplane, swelling music, and a masked characters digitised speech ALSO UNDER A BAG OVER HIS HEAD necessitating that sequence being redone and Bane's speech level now sounding absurdly over the top.

Fox drops the "autopilot fixed" bomb mid swelling music wrap up of the ending and thats why so many people miss that important nugget. Could have done with a very poignant computer screen grab showing date discrepancies rather than just one throwaway sentence or actually shown The Bat enter autopilot mode when trying to fix it, only to end on a big ol Fox "aaaaaaaaaah" grin.

I remember starting to watch the Prestige and Bale whispering in the jail sequences while chains clanked and inmates hollered. Had to turn subtitles on. Romance sub-plots and speech audio levels: Nolan's kryptonite.

 

[Man]

Soundtrack is available on Spotify. I have tried searching over the last week but I found it now (maybe I did terrible searches earlier on but 'rises' did the trick).

 

[Man]

When rewatching it today, a part that got to me extra was Gordon trying to get Batman to reveal his identity before the self sacrifice. Oldman absolutely sells the compassion there.

 

[neorej]

Among our group that saw this last night, I have a friend who never gets movies with complex plots, and even she was aware that Ra's was a ghost and Bruce was alive. People ask "why the flashbacks", well, when you're dealing with audiences with short attention spans, you have to be as blunt as possible to make sure they don't leave confused. The Prestige had a flashback montage near the end as well, and many people (on GAF) still didn't understand the ending. For people who ask very obvious questions, all I can really say is "watch it again, this time without throwing popcorn at the screen."

That was something I loved about my screening, there were no "cell-phone-lights", everyone was paying attention to the movie in front of them.

I'm going to attend more of these saturday-afternoon-screenings. Much better crowd.

 

[Zeliard]

Oldman is consistently excellent in the Gordon role.

 

[Kozak]

There are a NUMBER of people in here who:

- thought Bruce died and Alfred was actually dreaming the end
- didn't notice that Selina was with Bruce at the cafe
- completely missed Bruce surviving due to fixing the autopilot and bailing out
- completely missed Lucious knowing Bruce was alive because of the fix
- completely missed Gordon knowing Bruce was alive because of the restored bat symbol

Yes, lolz have been had, as well as many facepalms.

Good grief...

 

[Ushojax]

When rewatching it today, a part that got to me extra was Gordon trying to get Batman to reveal his identity before the self sacrifice. Oldman absolutely sells the compassion there.

I love his delivery there. 'I never cared who you were' was perfect. Gordon and Batman were true bros.

 

[JB1981]

That write-up actually brings up a great point about Alfred's complete 180 regarding Batman. In TDK he told him to endure, and in DKR he is completely against the idea of Bruce continuing on

 

[The Elite]

That write-up actually brings up a great point about Alfred's complete 180 regarding Batman. In TDK he told him to endure, and in DKR he is completely against the idea of Bruce continuing on

Yeah, I felt that stuck out like a sore thumb. A lot happens in eight years though.

 

[Pie and Beans]

That write-up actually brings up a great point about Alfred's complete 180 regarding Batman. In TDK he told him to endure, and in DKR he is completely against the idea of Bruce continuing on

Yeah, I couldnt reconcile this. Great acting on Caine's part with the upset, but the setup just didnt match the preceding films at all. Its like Nolan veered totally off into another direction last minute.

 

[neorej]

I love his delivery there. 'I never cared who you were' was perfect. Gordon and Batman were true bros.

that scene on the roof, where Blake asked if Gordon didn't want to know who he was...

Gordon answering "I know who he was, he was the Batman." just put a big-ass smile on my face, spot-on delivery.

 

[StuBurns]

In TDK Bruce says Batman has no limits, and Alfred says "well you do", he was clearly down in the idea even then.

 

[Man]

That write-up actually brings up a great point about Alfred's complete 180 regarding Batman. In TDK he told him to endure, and in DKR he is completely against the idea of Bruce continuing on

I consider myself quite the different person than what I was eight years ago. It's a long time.

 

[Sanjuro]

Wait, so Alfred was dreaming at the end?

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Didn't give up on him so much as he refused to watch him leap headfirst into death. At that point was was looking to die to end his pain.

You missed my follow up post straight after that, bro. You fell for my deception and now I'm behind you, stabbing you in the heart.

 

[Reiko]

Yeah, I felt that stuck out like a sore thumb. A lot happens in eight years though.

That was before Rachel died...

It's all fun & games until someone close to him dies.

 

[JB1981]

In TDK Bruce says Batman has no limits, and Alfred says "well you do", he was clearly down in the idea even then.

True but I guess the character was a little inconsistent even then.

He even defends him against Rachel that Bruce was trying to be something more han a hero.

 

[thecouncil]

What else would you be looking at? There is nothing but Gordon and his Christmas morning smile in that shot!

yeah, i just watched the ending again on youtube and, uhhh, i dunno why people are missing these things. haha.

the best solution is to just post the ending again to answer questions. (as long as that link exists.)

 

[neorej]

In TDK Bruce says Batman has no limits, and Alfred says "well you do", he was clearly down in the idea even then.

even in BB, Alfred has some reservations against the Batman-concept. Over time, these reservations grow into concerns and after TDK, he sees what being Batman has done with Bruce Wayne, and now in TDKR he wants to take up the cowl again. Alfred fears for what Bruce might become if he takes it too far.

IIRC there's a part in the convo with bruce, where Bruce asks him if he's afraid that Bruce might fail in stopping Bane and Alfred answers that he's afraid that he might succeed.

 

[Solo]

That write-up actually brings up a great point about Alfred's complete 180 regarding Batman. In TDK he told him to endure, and in DKR he is completely against the idea of Bruce continuing on

He told Bruce to endure before he had 8 years of watching how utterly broken, both physically and emotionally, enduring had left Bruce. His viewpoint in TDKR makes sense.

 

[Zeliard]

Alfred saw how badly the events of TDK fucked Bruce up in those intervening 8 years and felt that Bruce had a death wish.

 

[StuBurns]

even in BB, Alfred has some reservations against the Batman-concept. Over time, these reservations grow into concerns and after TDK, he sees what being Batman has done with Bruce Wayne, and now in TDKR he wants to take up the cowl again. Alfred fears for what Bruce might become if he takes it too far.

IIRC there's a part in the convo with bruce, where Bruce asks him if he's afraid that Bruce might fail in stopping Bane and Alfred answers that he's afraid that he might succeed.

Actually, he says "I'm afraid you want to", but yeah. He knows it will consume him if he goes out again. Luckily, Alfred telling him about Rachel ultimately saved him.

 

[Deleted member 30609]

I love talking/hearing about this movie.

 

[jon bones]

NEXT MOVIE: released 2016 - 7 years after TDKR, Blake is doing a great job as Blake/Nightwing, Talia got pregnant her night with Bruce, Damian Wayne is a 7 year old nutjob. Neil Patrick Haris plays The Riddler.

NEXT NEXT MOVIE: released 2025 - THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS

 

[SlowRevolution]

Wait, so Alfred was dreaming at the end?

no the top fell down.

 

[Solo]

Yeah, Bruce was straight up bordering on suicidal until Alfred's revelation and the prison scene.

SOMETIMES, A MAN RISES OUT O' THA DAHKNESS

 

[The Elite]

Wait, so Alfred was dreaming at the end?

Alfred was dead and that was the after life.

 

[crisdecuba]

Has anyone captured the scene where the bat signal is lit up on the bridge and bane says "impossible"? I had to use the bathroom and couldnt hold it any longer!

 

[Inferno313]

NEXT MOVIE: released 2016 - 7 years after TDKR, Blake is doing a great job as Blake/Nightwing, Talia got pregnant her night with Bruce, Damian Wayne is a 7 year old nutjob. Neil Patrick Haris plays The Riddler.

NEXT NEXT MOVIE: released 2025 - THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS

Unless Damian only had a 5 month gestation period, I don't see how that's possible, considering Talia died.

 

[Zeliard]

Fiery bat signal + Bane's totally incredulous "IMPOSSIBLE!" was a highlight of the movie

 

[Sanjuro]

Alfred was dead and that was the after life.

BANE KILLS ALFRED

 

[jon bones]

Unless Damian only had a 5 month gestation period, I don't see how that's possible, considering Talia died.

oh yeah. forgot about that. never mind, rest of the movie stands as is!

 

[Solo]

Fiery bat signal + Bane's totally incredulous "IMPOSSIBLE!" was a highlight of the movie

"Light it up"

*chills*

 

[Dany]

Batman Beyond is the modt logical progression from this film.

 

[F!ReW!Re]

Has anyone captured the scene where the bat signal is lit up on the bridge and bane says "impossible"? I had to use the bathroom and couldnt hold it any longer!

That wasn't the bat signal, that was a burning bat shape on the side of a bridge if I remember correctly..

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

I think everybody can just reconcile to the fact that Alfred became senile a long time ago and his attitude changes with the wind.

One second he's all DA ONLY FING DAT STOPPED ME FROM CALLING THE MEN IN DA WHITE COATS IS THAT YOU SED IT WASN'T ABOUT THRILL SEEKING. YOR GETTIN LOST INSIDE THIS MONSTA OF YOURS

then he's all

WHY DO WE FORL SIR? SO DAT WE CAN LEARN TO PICK OURSELVES UP! NEVA!

then

KNOW YOUR LIMITS MASTER WAYNE!

followed by

ENDURE! THEY'LL ATE YOU FORUT. BUT DATS DA POINT OF BATMAYN. HE CAN MAKE THE CHOICE THAT NOBODY ELSE CAN FACE. THE RIGHT CHOICE

followed by

I NEVA WANTED THIS FOR YOU

No wonder Bruce told him to take a fucking hike. Goddammit old man.

 

[massoluk]

Unless Damian only had a 5 month gestation period, I don't see how that's possible, considering Talia died.

Grown in the Lab duh.

 

[Zeliard]

Sculli is bigoted against old men

 

[ultron87]

Unless Damian only had a 5 month gestation period, I don't see how that's possible, considering Talia died.

Faked her death obviously. She just dramatically closed her eyes in the truck and then slunk away when everyone was watching Batman explode.

 

[neorej]

Faked her death obviously. She just dramatically closed her eyes in the truck and then slunk away when everyone was watching Batman explode.

Deception and theatricality are her allies.

Those and dem tittays.

 

[Solo]

10K

Beautiful, isn't it?

 

[dalyr95]

Well if you're Alfred and you're at a restaurant and your dead friend smiles at you, your reaction is not "oh hey, what's up let me join you!"

Did you even listen to what Alfred said when he talked about the restaurant? He said he'd look across and see Bruce with a wife and family. He'd get up and leave safe in the knowledge that Bruce has put Gotham behind him and moved on with his life. Basically Bruce was fulfilling Alfred's wish.

 

[Curufinwe]

Has anyone captured the scene where the bat signal is lit up on the bridge and bane says "impossible"? I had to use the bathroom and couldnt hold it any longer!

At our IMAX theater they said if you left you couldn't get back in, so I wonder if anyone pissed themselves to make it thru the whole thing.

 

[massoluk]

Faked her death obviously. She just dramatically closed her eyes in the truck and then slunk away when everyone was watching Batman explode.

Turned out Ra is alive all along. TDK and TDKR was him in the shadow, manipulating so that the Detective will knock up his daughter with a child. The only one deserving to rule the world after League of Shadow cleanse it.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

10K

Beautiful, isn't it?

This thread has become a breeding ground for trolling and ranking posts. It is beyond saving and must be allowed to die.

 

[danielg1138]

So, I don't think there's really much question that Bruce really is alive at the end (since it is confirmed in so many different ways), but the thing that bugs me is that before flying off, when he's explaining his plan or whatever, Batman specifically says that there is no autopilot (at least, as I remember... it's a little fuzzy), and he has absolutely no reason to lie.

 

[ultron87]

His reason to lie is that he needs people to believe he is dead so he can quit being Batman.

 

[Quackula]

So, I don't think there's really much question that Bruce really is alive at the end (since it is confirmed in so many different ways), but the thing that bugs me is that before flying off, when he's explaining his plan or whatever, Batman specifically says that there is no autopilot (at least, as I remember... it's a little fuzzy), and he has absolutely no reason to lie.

Selina asks if he's going to fly it himself, and Batman says "No, autopilot"

it's some very clever wording

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

So, I don't think there's really much question that Bruce really is alive at the end (since it is confirmed in so many different ways), but the thing that bugs me is that before flying off, when he's explaining his plan or whatever, Batman specifically says that there is no autopilot (at least, as I remember... it's a little fuzzy), and he has absolutely no reason to lie.

No, autopilot!

 

[danielg1138]

But does he want to quit being Batman? I guess I didn't get that message. I need to see it again...