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Just read monks stuff on page 1- Im guessing they changed stuff in the final movie or hes going off a leaked script draft - because he was spot on with a lot of the stuff.

His synopsis was no different than half of the fanfic worthy stuff we'd come up with in the official thread in the months leading up to film, many of us had guessed some of the major plot beats. He posted outright lies, he deserves the perma.
 
Just read monks stuff on page 1- Im guessing they changed stuff in the final movie or hes going off a leaked script draft - because he was spot on with a lot of the stuff.

I think he played a game of internet telephone, where some of the information passed down changed along the way.

And there were leaks of stuff, which chunks of the internet already knew, so that was dabbled in with lots of speculation.
 
Serious question: Why wouldn't they? It's not a throwaway scene either. It is the first interaction Gordon had with Bruce Wayne. Even if they don't remember the actual scene in question, when Batman says a hero can also be "a man who puts a jacket on a young boy to comfort him" I don't think anyone who is of at least average intellect and who is actually paying attention to the film and characters will not understand what he is saying.

Narrative objective: Batman is hinting to Gordon who he really is, while paying him a compliment for something he did for him when he was a kid.

- If an audience member has not watched Batman Begins, but is paying attention to the story told in The Dark Knight Rises, he/she will still understand what is going on, especially since Gordon himself says "Bruce?!" right after.

- If someone watched Batman Begins but does not recall how that scene played out exactly, he/she will probably still remember the general reference.

If on other hand, someone is still completely oblivious at this point, and really needs a direct visual flashback to go "Ah! So Gordon at some point in the past put a coat on Bruce Wayne when he was a boy! Oh!!!" then the entire scene loses further meaning because it is not about the scene itself happening, but why it happened and how it happened. The flashback does not capture any of that.

You should read through this thread.

'How did batman survive the blast?'
'How did he get out of the batwing?'
'Was Alfred imagining the ending?'
'Why does Bane wear a mask?'
'Why was two-face not in the movie, I thought he was still alive'

Some people really need to have their hand held throughout the movie
 
You should read through this thread.

'How did batman survive the blast?'
'How did he get out of the batwing?'
'Was Alfred imagining the ending?'
'Why does Bane wear a mask?'
'Why was two-face not in the movie, I thought he was still alive'

Some people really need to have their hand held throughout the movie

Oooooh. I like that one. Maybe it's a crossover with Inception! :D
 
If we really want to talk about something unnecessary occurring in the last flashback, I think Gordon's "Bruce Wayne?" wasn't really needed.

But whatever, this subject is beat to death.
 
The whole Alfred imagining thing still gets me. People really got mind fucked by Inception.

It's all part of Nolan's plan! Similar to the end of Inception, the entire final sequence in TDKR is visuals + music, with no dialogue after the line with "Robin". Alfred got incepted! Maybe Blake too! :(
 
I don't really get Gordon's guilt. Basically he lived a lie and praised Harvey while bashing batman. Whats the big deal? It was the best decision at the current time. If he didn't lie, a lot of the prisoners would have gotten out. Or am I missing something?
 
I know a guy who saw it twice and still thinks Alfred was imagining it and Bruce is really dead.

Jeez.

It's things like this that are the reason why they had Ra's awkwardly FADE OUT after his taunt to Bruce, so nobody in the theater went "HE'S STILL ALIVE?!"

I can't believe how much people want to refute what is directly happening on the screen in front of them, for some bullshit alternate explanation that requires more mental gymnastics to arrive at.
 
I don't really get Gordon's guilt. Basically he lived a lie and praised Harvey while bashing batman. Whats the big deal? It was the best decision at the current time. If he didn't lie, a lot of the prisoners would have gotten out. Or am I missing something?

He had to praise the guy that tried to kill his own son. He also had to publicly demonize the guy who saved his son. He did all that for 8 years. It basically neutered him.
 
Just read monks stuff on page 1- Im guessing they changed stuff in the final movie or hes going off a leaked script draft - because he was spot on with a lot of the stuff.

nah most of it is bullshit. hopefully he comes in here so we can laugh at him, and then duckroll can ban him.
 
Alfred doesn't expect Bruce to be alive.

Him imagining it is certainly more likely than arriving at the cafe during the exact time Bruce and Selina are sitting down.
 
I am 100% certain that if there wasn't a fade out sequence to Ra's in the movie there would actually be a honest to god debate on whether Ra's was alive in the movie or not.

I don't really get Gordon's guilt. Basically he lived a lie and praised Harvey while bashing batman. Whats the big deal? It was the best decision at the current time. If he didn't lie, a lot of the prisoners would have gotten out. Or am I missing something?
The whole city was changed forever based on a lie. Harvey tried to kill his family and got pretty damn close to killing his son while Batman saved him and his family who now he has authorized to hunt like a wanted criminal. The whole ordeal caused his family to be separated as well, his wife probably couldn't live under the lie like he could. It's a huge burden to carry for just one person.
 
Alfred doesn't expect Bruce to be alive.

Him imagining it is certainly more likely than arriving at the cafe during the exact time Bruce and Selina are sitting down.

Yeah, because the one thing that Bruce Wayne is terrible at is playing detective and finding out where people are/will be. It's totally a coincidence that Bruce Wayne knew Alfred was going to be there.
 
I don't really get Gordon's guilt. Basically he lived a lie and praised Harvey while bashing batman. Whats the big deal? It was the best decision at the current time. If he didn't lie, a lot of the prisoners would have gotten out. Or am I missing something?

I think part of it is how the lie turned into something more than that. It's not just a lie about Dent, but it's something that had a huge impact on Gotham. Harvey Dent Day is a public holiday. There are annual events celebrating his heroism. There is a Dent Act erected in his name which seems unethical and unconstitutional, but apparently stays on because of its connection to the heroism of the man, out of respect and honor.

It's not a big deal that he lied at the time, it's a big deal to him that he has to continue live with it every day for 8 years, seeing it shoved in everyone's faces, and having to continue lying to support it. That's eating him up inside.
 
People are slow.

Also, the ending scenes happened really quickly, so I'm sure a lot of people missed the comment about the repaired auto-pilot.

I do wonder when, exactly, he bailed.

I just talked with a coworker who was pissed off because he saw the autopilot thing coming a mile away.

Just goes to show you that no matter what, you can't please everyone, but you're better off over-explaining than under-explaining when appealing to the mass market.

I think part of it is how the lie turned into something more than that. It's not just a lie about Dent, but it's something that had a huge impact on Gotham. Harvey Dent Day is a public holiday. There are annual events celebrating his heroism. There is a Dent Act erected in his name which seems unethical and unconstitutional, but apparently stays on because of its connection to the heroism of the man, out of respect and honor.

It's not a big deal that he lied at the time, it's a big deal to him that he has to continue live with it every day for 8 years, seeing it shoved in everyone's faces, and having to continue lying to support it. That's eating him up inside.

In the beginning of the movie before his speech, his smarmy coworker also mentions that his wife left him and took the children. After Bane reads Gordon's speech and you watch him breakdown to Blake, that's when it dawned on me of how that conversation must have gone with his wife. "You're going to announce a holiday for the man who almost shot our son? Yeah, I'm going to stay at my mother's." That would be too big of a lie for her to swallow on a personal level. Gordon was in too deep at that point, he, Dent, and Bats had been breaking the law for weeks/months with their collusion.
 
I think part of it is how the lie turned into something more than that. It's not just a lie about Dent, but it's something that had a huge impact on Gotham. Harvey Dent Day is a public holiday. There are annual events celebrating his heroism. There is a Dent Act erected in his name which seems unethical and unconstitutional, but apparently stays on because of its connection to the heroism of the man, out of respect and honor.

It's not a big deal that he lied at the time, it's a big deal to him that he has to continue live with it every day for 8 years, seeing it shoved in everyone's faces, and having to continue lying to support it. That's eating him up inside.

We can also assume that the entire Dent ordeal was also the reason his wife and kids left him. So the guy is just a complete wreck from that moment.
 
I don't really get Gordon's guilt. Basically he lived a lie and praised Harvey while bashing batman. Whats the big deal? It was the best decision at the current time. If he didn't lie, a lot of the prisoners would have gotten out. Or am I missing something?

His lie helped fuel a hatred against Batman, the man who saved his families life while the city loved the man who was about to kill his family... that wouldn't make you feel guilty?
 
I loved the movie. There was a few small things I would like to have seen fleshed out a little more, but the overall experience was great.

Wore my old Batman shirt and everything. First in line as well (by luck, I was walking up to the ticket window when they announced a new showing).

A co-worker this morning looked at me like I was crazy for saying I thought it was great. He said it wasn't up to his standards after having watched Amazing Spiderman.

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His lie helped fuel a hatred against Batman, the man who saved his families life while the city loved the man who was about to kill his family... that wouldn't make you feel guilty?

Not to mention the fact that he worked closely with Dent meaning he probably had to go to lots of those press events and Dent memorials and be made to keep lying for 8 years.
 
I don't really get Gordon's guilt. Basically he lived a lie and praised Harvey while bashing batman. Whats the big deal? It was the best decision at the current time. If he didn't lie, a lot of the prisoners would have gotten out. Or am I missing something?

Because a good man (Batman) was being hunted down like a dog by the police after Batman just saved his wife and son from being murdered.

And Gordon had to lead that police force to hunt him down.
 
I loved the movie. There was a few lsmall things I would like to have seen fleshed out a little more, but the overall experience was great.

Wore my old Batman shirt and everything. First in line as well (by luck, I was walking up top the ticket window when they announced a new showing).

A co-worker this morning looked at me like I was crazy for saying I thought it was great. He said it wasn't up to his standards after having watched Amazing Spiderman.

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I loved the movie. There was a few lsmall things I would like to have seen fleshed out a little more, but the overall experience was great.

Wore my old Batman shirt and everything. First in line as well (by luck, I was walking up top the ticket window when they announced a new showing).

A co-worker this morning looked at me like I was crazy for saying I thought it was great. He said it wasn't up to his standards after having watched Amazing Spiderman.

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The Amazing Spider-Man was good but wow. SMH.
 
Alfred doesn't expect Bruce to be alive.

Him imagining it is certainly more likely than arriving at the cafe during the exact time Bruce and Selina are sitting down.

Bruce is resourceful, capable of tracking people down.

Alfred told Bruce his dream.

Bruce wanted to mend the relationship.

Bruce fulfilled Alfred's dream.

What's so crazy about this?

Not forgetting the fact that, in a prior hallucination, there was a deliberate fade-out to show it wasn't real, which did not occur here.
 
He said it wasn't up to his standards after having watched Amazing Spiderman.

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I really liked Spiderman, but that movie has absolutely nothing on this. I walked out of Spiderman just being happy that I liked it, I walked out of Batman wanting to watch it again immediately. Different strokes I guess.
 
People are slow.

Also, the ending scenes happened really quickly, so I'm sure a lot of people missed the comment about the repaired auto-pilot.

I do wonder when, exactly, he bailed.

Shit, I did. Also I thought JGL changed his name to Robin instead of the other way around, the audio wasn't totally intelligible for me in the theater
 
I think Nolan needs to do something different with his dialogue mixing or ADR. I don't think I ever see so many people confused by what's coming out of character's mouths in other director's films.
 
If we really want to talk about something unnecessary occurring in the last flashback, I think Gordon's "Bruce Wayne?" wasn't really needed.

But whatever, this subject is beat to death.

I thought oldman delivered it well. The thought that billionaire playboy turned recluse ends up being a selfless hero would be a bit of a surprise!
 
I think Nolan needs to do something different with his dialogue mixing or ADR. I don't think I ever see so many people confused by what's coming out of character's mouths in other director's films.

It doesn't help that two of the character's have growling voices..lol.
 
I thought oldman delivered it well. The thought that billionaire playboy turned recluse ends up being a selfless hero would be a bit of a surprise!

Such a thought would have more impact if not for the fact that in TDKR it seems like every major character on either side knows who Batman is. Lol.
 
Such a thought would have more impact if not for the fact that in TDKR it seems like every major character on either side knows who Batman is. Lol.

Pretty sure the only main characters who don't know who Bruce is by the end of the series were Harvey and Joker. lol

EDIT: And Scarecrow I guess if you count him.
 
Pretty sure the only main characters who don't know who Bruce is by the end of the series were Harvey and Joker. lol

EDIT: And Scarecrow I guess if you count him.

I think Joker knows who he is, but he doesn't care either way. He commented that he thought he really might have been Dent, the way he threw himself at Rachael. That clearly indicates he thought about it, and if he isn't Dent, there's really only one other possibility!
 
I still can't believe Bane is Eames.

Indeed. His physique seemed colossal in some of the shots compared to Batman and the other characters. Did they use a body double at times?

Someone needs to do a gif of Alfred looking at the camera and nodding and cut to the first shot of Leo in the Django trailer, nodding back.

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