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[RDreamer]

Well I do not care for Europeans who display elitism(not saying all do it may very well just be a few)...
I love how so many people call Romney dumb because he is a Republican...

I don't remember many calling him dumb, really. Most call him completely out of touch and a buffoon when it comes to personal and social situations. I don't think he's dumb, though. That would be silly. His main problem that makes him look "dumb" I guess is having to cow-tow to the crazy wing of the party (which is now almost all of the party).

I am a Republican, I can admit President Obama who went to harvard is far smarter than me as most democratic and Republican politicians are smarter than me. I do not why people question President Bush's intellect (guess they fell for that act of his) or Romney's intellect.

I don't really see anyone seriously questioning Romney's intellect, at least not as much as people on the right seriously question Obama's birth. So I guess we can call it even that both sides have some weirdos?

Of course though when President Obama talks about his economic policies being inspired by Jesus he is called a secret athiest but every Republican politician is a gun toting, god fearing bigot though right?

The secret atheist thing comes from the fact that an actual atheist could never be elected in the US, which is pretty sad. I don't think that ever really caught hold much, anyway. I'm pretty sure the dude really is Christian. The thing is that yeah not every Republican politician is a gun toting god fearing bigot, but the problem is they bow to those people in the party.

President Obama is not even really a liberal President imo and the hypocrisy on the right and the left in regards to his Presidency in this nation is astounding.

Yeah, I'll agree there. He's not a liberal president. I realize what you're talking about with regards to hypocrisy, but I'm not sure I see it that way. Most liberals do acknowledge the problems Obama has, it's just they have so little time to do so because they're so busy trying to debunk the really crazy stuff from the right nowadays.

I mean he was given the nobel peace prize for basically continuing Bush's policies that were shrieked about as being akin to Adolf Hitlers by some while the right suddenly is upset with President Obama's spending.

This is what I was talking about. Liberals can't critique him on this, because they're busy trying to prove that the right is completely and utterly lying on this stuff or attacking policies they used to support completely.

 

[EatinOlives]

Almost. They said Obama can't have good relations with the UK because he's Black.

Oh yes. I had partially blocked it from my memory after reading it, but you're right. Even better.

 

[CrazyDogg77]

Well I do not care for Europeans who display elitism(not saying all do it may very well just be a few)...
I love how so many people call Romney dumb because he is a Republican...

I am a Republican, I can admit President Obama who went to harvard is far smarter than me as most democratic and Republican politicians are smarter than me. I do not why people question President Bush's intellect (guess they fell for that act of his) or Romney's intellect.

Of course though when President Obama talks about his economic policies being inspired by Jesus he is called a secret athiest but every Republican politician is a gun toting, god fearing bigot though right?

President Obama is not even really a liberal President imo and the hypocrisy on the right and the left in regards to his Presidency in this nation is astounding.

I mean he was given the nobel peace prize for basically continuing Bush's policies that were shrieked about as being akin to Adolf Hitlers by some while the right suddenly is upset with President Obama's spending.

What does any of this mean?

 

[woolley]

This thing won't help or hurt Romney. Foreign policy isn't really a big issue for people and from what I've seen most people don't care if other countries like us or not, it's not like they're just gonna stop doing business with us anyway.

Nothing they say really matters until debates start anyways.

 

[akira28]

I thought C-SPAN does show it?

Or C-SPAN 2 or whatever.

They air the Prime Minister's Questions meetings on CSPAN. I wish America did something like this. Then again, these days you'd probably have someone challenging someone to a pistol duel to the death.

What does any of this mean?

I think it's just a synopsis from someone who only dabbles really lightly into politics. So no nuance at all, and politicized statements are all taken at face value. Republicans tried really hard to work with the President, but he just never fully reached out to them, etc.

 

[RDreamer]

This thing won't help or hurt Romney. Foreign policy isn't really a big issue for people and from what I've seen most people don't care if other countries like us or not, it's not like they're just gonna stop doing business with us anyway.

I think they matter to some people. I'm a pretty flaming liberal at this point, but years ago what first got me to change from voting Republican was foreign policy. After Bush's blunders I was ready for the world to not think we're a complete laughing stock anymore. I still think it's important. We live in a very globally connected world. How we deal with other countries and their leaders matters a great deal.

 

[flippymittens]

Almost. They said Obama can't have good relations with the UK because he's Black.

Yeah advisors... Romney condemned the comments get over it.

Its unfair of you to pull guilt by association on Romney.

Also isn't President Obama half anglo-saxon (idk all the European comments). Race is pretty non existent imo and it is sad people obsess over it.

I know that President Obama went to Ireland supposedly and downed a few brews.

I do not even know Romneys ancestry but I do not get why he would even bother going to the UK. It does not matter what they think of our President... I would imagine that if the UK was in financial trouble the last thing they would want to see is their Prime Minister go pander to the US.

I actually commend President Obama on not doing this (unless he did). What matters is the United States, you are running for election here.

However I am sick of people making a big deal of racism... Yeah it exists, so does sexism, lookism,heightism, etc. Plenty of successful men and women are "black" so I do not see how it is that big of a deal.

I have only met one person who accused President Obama of being a muslim and just hated the President for illogical reasons (which is both racist and biggoted as plenty of good people follow the faith of Islam). Most the people I know are Republicans too.

I am just saying that some of you are clinging onto cliche or fringe comments and using them to portay a large segment of the population.

 

[DarkFlow]

Damn Utah-GAF, you just gonna take that insult?

I mean I hate Mitt Romney as much as any other intelligent person but as an American I don't like it when people talk shit about one of our states. Mitt needs to respond with "Well obviously a city is going to be busy when it is the only city in the country."

Backfire!

 

[pigeon]

I love how so many people call Romney dumb because he is a Republican...

He's not dumb, or he wouldn't have made so much money. We mostly say he's spineless and unethical, traits which are pretty positively associated with making so much money.

I am just saying that some of you are clinging onto cliche or fringe comments and using them to portay a large segment of the population.

It's not that large a segment of the population. It's just a segment very well represented by people like Donald Trump, Michelle Bachmann, Sarah Palin, et al. Don't blame us, we don't elect the people who make these comments.

However I am sick of people making a big deal of racism... Yeah it exists, so does sexism, lookism,heightism, etc. Plenty of successful men and women are "black" so I do not see how it is that big of a deal.

How do you feel about affirmative action?

 

[CrazyDogg77]

Yeah advisors... Romney condemned the comments get over it.

Its unfair of you to pull guilt by association on Romney.

Also isn't President Obama half anglo-saxon (idk all the European comments). Race is pretty non existent imo and it is sad people obsess over it.

I know that President Obama went to Ireland supposedly and downed a few brews.

I do not even know Romneys ancestry but I do not get why he would even bother going to the UK. It does not matter what they think of our President... I would imagine that if the UK was in financial trouble the last thing they would want to see is their Prime Minister go pander to the US.

I actually commend President Obama on not doing this (unless he did). What matters is the United States, you are running for election here.

However I am sick of people making a big deal of racism... Yeah it exists, so does sexism, lookism,heightism, etc. Plenty of successful men and women are "black" so I do not see how it is that big of a deal.

I have only met one person who accused President Obama of being a muslim and just hated the President for illogical reasons (which is both racist and biggoted as plenty of good people follow the faith of Islam). Most the people I know are Republicans too.

I am just saying that some of you are clinging onto cliche or fringe comments and using them to portay a large segment of the population.

Please just stop dude. You are making yourself look really foolish right now.

 

[bananas]

Yeah advisors... Romney condemned the comments get over it.

Its unfair of you to pull guilt by association on Romney.

Also isn't President Obama half anglo-saxon (idk all the European comments). Race is pretty non existent imo and it is sad people obsess over it.

I know that President Obama went to Ireland supposedly and downed a few brews.

I do not even know Romneys ancestry but I do not get why he would even bother going to the UK. It does not matter what they think of our President... I would imagine that if the UK was in financial trouble the last thing they would want to see is their Prime Minister go pander to the US.

I actually commend President Obama on not doing this (unless he did). What matters is the United States, you are running for election here.

However I am sick of people making a big deal of racism... Yeah it exists, so does sexism, lookism,heightism, etc. Plenty of successful men and women are "black" so I do not see how it is that big of a deal.

I have only met one person who accused President Obama of being a muslim and just hated the President for illogical reasons (which is both racist and biggoted as plenty of good people follow the faith of Islam). Most the people I know are Republicans too.

I am just saying that some of you are clinging onto cliche or fringe comments and using them to portay a large segment of the population.

Stop while you're ahead.

 

[Wazzim]

Cameron hit Romney in the ribs.

 

[DR2K]

I have only met one person who accused President Obama of being a muslim and just hated the President for illogical reasons (which is both racist and biggoted as plenty of good people follow the faith of Islam). Most the people I know are Republicans too.

Well that settles that arguement.

 

[RDreamer]

Yeah advisors... Romney condemned the comments get over it.

Its unfair of you to pull guilt by association on Romney.

You do realize that he picks those advisers right? You also realize that they do speak on behalf of his campaign, right? That's kind of how campaigns work. The right pulls the same things when people like Stephanie Cutter say something they dislike (not to mention the really crazy conspiracy guilty by association things that have come up over the years....) Also, you realize that who he picks as an adviser says something about his leadership, and about how he'll pick spots in his administration when he becomes president. If he's picking guys making completely batshit statements now what makes you think he'd do any better as president?

 

[XenodudeX]

Stop while you're ahead.

You mean behind.

 

[MThanded]

Yeah advisors... Romney condemned the comments get over it.

Its unfair of you to pull guilt by association on Romney.

Also isn't President Obama half anglo-saxon (idk all the European comments). Race is pretty non existent imo and it is sad people obsess over it.

I know that President Obama went to Ireland supposedly and downed a few brews.

I do not even know Romneys ancestry but I do not get why he would even bother going to the UK. It does not matter what they think of our President... I would imagine that if the UK was in financial trouble the last thing they would want to see is their Prime Minister go pander to the US.

I actually commend President Obama on not doing this (unless he did). What matters is the United States, you are running for election here.

However I am sick of people making a big deal of racism... Yeah it exists, so does sexism, lookism,heightism, etc. Plenty of successful men and women are "black" so I do not see how it is that big of a deal.

I have only met one person who accused President Obama of being a muslim and just hated the President for illogical reasons (which is both racist and biggoted as plenty of good people follow the faith of Islam). Most the people I know are Republicans too.

I am just saying that some of you are clinging onto cliche or fringe comments and using them to portay a large segment of the population.

17 Percent Of Registered Voters Think Obama Is Muslim, Pew Poll Finds

Also I'm not even going to touch your comment on racism. I bolded it because it needed to be bolded. Do we live in a post racial world?

 

[EatinOlives]

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This is by far the best batch of juniors the forum has had for quite a while.

 

[milanbaros]

Has someone pointed out that Romney is here for electoral financing from the many super wealthy Americans in London?

 

[alphaNoid]

Doesn't matter what Romney said. GAF would shit all over it if all he said was, "Great job, London."

Pretty much

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

you Anglos better learn to get along!

 

[RDreamer]

Pretty much

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[flippymittens]

I don't remember many calling him dumb, really. Most call him completely out of touch and a buffoon when it comes to personal and social situations. I don't think he's dumb, though. That would be silly. His main problem that makes him look "dumb" I guess is having to cow-tow to the crazy wing of the party (which is now almost all of the party).



I don't really see anyone seriously questioning Romney's intellect, at least not as much as people on the right seriously question Obama's birth. So I guess we can call it even that both sides have some weirdos?




The secret atheist thing comes from the fact that an actual atheist could never be elected in the US, which is pretty sad. I don't think that ever really caught hold much, anyway. I'm pretty sure the dude really is Christian. The thing is that yeah not every Republican politician is a gun toting god fearing bigot, but the problem is they bow to those people in the party.



Yeah, I'll agree there. He's not a liberal president. I realize what you're talking about with regards to hypocrisy, but I'm not sure I see it that way. Most liberals do acknowledge the problems Obama has, it's just they have so little time to do so because they're so busy trying to debunk the really crazy stuff from the right nowadays.



This is what I was talking about. Liberals can't critique him on this, because they're busy trying to prove that the right is completely and utterly lying on this stuff or attacking policies they used to support completely.

I understand the out of touch criticism but does that not apply to President Obama who is fairly rich as well just better at socializing?
I agree that President Obama may be an athiest or agnostic but Romney has stated numerous time to believe in the seperation of church and state as well as not being very religious.
I just can not see President Obama not being elected as he is a fairly center right president which most Americans are said to be center right and has charisma.
I read in a poll that Democrats largely support the President's surge in afghanistan as well as drone strikes but under Bush this was not the case.
77 percent of liberal Democrats endorse the use of drones from an ABC poll. The anti-war movement is pretty much dead in the USA compared to what it was under Bush. The Tea party emerged under President Obama.

It is not as if either movement did not have legitimate concerns but the timeframe they lasted was particularly suspicious imo. I think you are cutting the left too much slack on their forgiveness of President Obama's continuation of the "Bush wars", "Bush tax cuts", etc.

 

[everthustodeadbeats]

We aren't too keen on utter buffoons?

Nailed it.

 

[CHEEZMO™]

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

On a pile of tear-sodden tax returns.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

You do realize that he picks those advisers right? You also realize that they do speak on behalf of his campaign, right? That's kind of how campaigns work. The right pulls the same things when people like Stephanie Cutter say something they dislike (not to mention the really crazy conspiracy guilty by association things that have come up over the years....) Also, you realize that who he picks as an adviser says something about his leadership, and about how he'll pick spots in his administration when he becomes president. If he's picking guys making completely batshit statements now what makes you think he'd do any better as president?

This unnamed foreign advisor in no way speaks for the campaign. Better get your facts straight before you berate someone.

 

[Korey]

I'm really conflicted about this battle

 

[Axiology]

"Please Lost Voyager, stop. Will you stop?"

 

[flippymittens]

He's not dumb, or he wouldn't have made so much money. We mostly say he's spineless and unethical, traits which are pretty positively associated with making so much money.



It's not that large a segment of the population. It's just a segment very well represented by people like Donald Trump, Michelle Bachmann, Sarah Palin, et al. Don't blame us, we don't elect the people who make these comments.



How do you feel about affirmative action?

I am in favor of affirmative action... Only because of our nations past a disproportionate amount of minorities live in poverty.
So given the unfair circumstances of birth and what not I feel like we should make attempts to level the playing field.
It is unfair but I support it atleast for the time being.

 

[poppabk]

Seems like an attempt at point scoring that backfired. Kinda a 'hey guys I managed an Olympics and it is really hard to do'

 

[Bleepey]

Boris would totally knock Romney on his ass in a fight

#TeamBoris

 

[RDreamer]

It is not as if either movement did not have legitimate concerns but the timeframe they lasted was particularly suspicious imo. I think you are cutting the left too much slack on their forgiveness of President Obama's continuation of the "Bush wars", "Bush tax cuts", etc.

I might be cutting them some slack, but what else is there? I mean really what's the alternative? The other guy would have done that and more, and promises to do that and more.

This unnamed foreign advisor in no way speaks for the campaign. Better get your facts straight before you berate someone.

They typically do, or at least can in many instances. Even if he didn't speak for the campaign in this instance (or any instance), you still have a problem with his ability to pick and surround himself with decent people that don't say batshit things. And sure, you can play down this particular instance, but the Romney campaign still has surrogates like Sununu saying things that are just as stupid.

 

[pigeon]

I agree that President Obama may be an athiest or agnostic but Romney has stated numerous time to believe in the seperation of church and state as well as not being very religious.

I'm now confident we are talking about two different planets. I doubt Obama's a secret agnostic, as agnostics rarely have a church they regularly attend, but if elected I'm pretty sure Romney will be the first President in a hundred years or so to tithe. He is probably the MOST religious Presidential candidate in generations..

 

[MThanded]

This unnamed foreign advisor in no way speaks for the campaign. Better get your facts straight before you berate someone.

How do you explain these Sununu comments? http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/07/john-sununu-questions-obamas-americanness-129193.html

 

[Joel Was Right]

Nothing Romney said was out-of-line or disrespectful. For context, the issue of security and industrial strike affecting the Games has been extensively covered in the British media as of the last few weeks, and recently the South-Korean flag mixup. Romney was only referring to that context, in which he described were 'disconcerting', but crucially, he added that it was "impossible" for errors not to be made in organising in something as large scale as this.

Cameron's response, however, is disrespectful.

 

[Jburton]

Damn Utah-GAF, you just gonna take that insult?

I mean I hate Mitt Romney as much as any other intelligent person but as an American I don't like it when people talk shit about one of our states. Mitt needs to respond with "Well obviously a city is going to be busy when it is the only city in the country."

Mitt is that you?

lol.

 

[Wuthering_Heights]

Nothing Romney said was out-of-line or disrespectful. For context, the issue of security and industrial strike affecting the Games has been extensively covered in the British media as of the last few weeks, and recently the South-Korean flag mixup. Romney was only referring to that context, in which he described were 'disconcerting', but crucially, he added that it was "impossible" for errors not to be made in organising in something as large scale as this.

Cameron's response, however, is disrespectful.

Yep.

 

[Nesotenso]

Romney's faux pas aside, concerns about the start of the games are valid. Stewart had a great segment on the daily show about it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/25/jon-stewart-pokes-fun-olympics-2012-video_n_1701418.html

 

[LegendofJoe]

What a nice start to your overseas trip Romney...way to show the world your presidential qualities.

 

[flippymittens]

You do realize that he picks those advisers right? You also realize that they do speak on behalf of his campaign, right? That's kind of how campaigns work. The right pulls the same things when people like Stephanie Cutter say something they dislike (not to mention the really crazy conspiracy guilty by association things that have come up over the years....) Also, you realize that who he picks as an adviser says something about his leadership, and about how he'll pick spots in his administration when he becomes president. If he's picking guys making completely batshit statements now what makes you think he'd do any better as president?

If David Axelrod came out and punted a baby I would not blame President Obama for it.

How do we even know the anglo comments are even true?

17 Percent Of Registered Voters Think Obama Is Muslim, Pew Poll Finds

Also I'm not even going to touch your comment on racism. I bolded it because it needed to be bolded. Do we live in a post racial world?

I acknowledge racism exists and unfair but it is not the only form of discrimination or the most prevelent.

Lookism, sexism,ageism, and heightism are worse imo.

17% of the population is a minority. 83% of us do not buy into the accusations. They did a similar poll and people though Trump was born in another country so it could just be natural suspicion and not necessarily racism.

Which is more socially acceptable, making fun of someone for being short, ugly, their gender, or age. Or is it more socially acceptable to make fun of someones "race". Clearly racism while existing is not the greatest form of discrimination.

 

[Axiology]

Nothing Romney said was out-of-line or disrespectful. For context, the issue of security and industrial strike affecting the Games has been extensively covered in the British media as of the last few weeks, and recently the South-Korean flag mixup. Romney was only referring to that context, in which he described were 'disconcerting', but crucially, he added that it was "impossible" for errors not to be made in organising in something as large scale as this.

Cameron's response, however, is disrespectful.

While Cameron may have gone more out of line in his response to Romney, you seem to be ignoring the second part of Romney's quote. He calls into question things a foreign guest should not be calling into question.

Edit: lol, lookism

 

[Nesotenso]

Nothing Romney said was out-of-line or disrespectful. For context, the issue of security and industrial strike affecting the Games has been extensively covered in the British media as of the last few weeks, and recently the South-Korean flag mixup. Romney was only referring to that context, in which he described were 'disconcerting', but crucially, he added that it was "impossible" for errors not to be made in organising in something as large scale as this.

Cameron's response, however, is disrespectful.

Sort of how I feel about it. I mean your response to criticism by comparing Salt Lake City (and mocking it) and London seems beneath a world leader.

 

[gutter_trash]

compare Day 1 of Romney's international tour as Presidential candidate to Obama's European tour 4 years ago

'nuff said

 

[Cromat]

Like my mom always said:

If you have nothing good to say, don't say anything.

 

[SiteSeer]

Nothing Romney said was out-of-line or disrespectful. For context, the issue of security and industrial strike affecting the Games has been extensively covered in the British media as of the last few weeks, and recently the South-Korean flag mixup. Romney was only referring to that context, in which he described were 'disconcerting', but crucially, he added that it was "impossible" for errors not to be made in organising in something as large scale as this.

Cameron's response, however, is disrespectful.

don't worry, the underhanded insults are just part of their 'shared anglo-saxon heritage'.

 

[CrazyDogg77]

I am in favor of affirmative action... Only because of our nations past a disproportionate amount of minorities live in poverty.
So given the unfair circumstances of birth and what not I feel like we should make attempts to level the playing field.
It is unfair but I support it atleast for the time being.

How is it unfair to level the playing field which affirmative action doesn't even accomplish?

 

[pigeon]

Sort of how I feel about it. I mean your response to criticism by comparing Salt Lake City (and mocking it) and London seems beneath a world leader.

Welcome to Great Britain, the country where they set aside half an hour every week for people to give the Prime Minister shit and judge him on how well he gives it back. If you weren't expecting this, then you weren't well-briefed on international politics. Which is fine if you're a NeoGAF poster but somewhat more problematic for a candidate for President of the United States.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

I have a feeling David Cameron doesn't like Mittens very much

 

[Funky Papa]

Why is it though that Europeans on average typically hate republican Presidents or canidates with a firey passion?

They remind us too much of our fascist past.

 

[Wuthering_Heights]

Welcome to Great Britain, the country where they set aside half an hour every week for people to give the Prime Minister shit and judge him on how well he gives it back.

Shame we can't do something like that in the US.

Though as someone mentioned before, it would probably end in a gun battle.

 

[Brinbe]

Awesome job, Rombot...