KennyLinder
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Ha ha ha yep you can run straight into New Londo's and get one iirc.
I want to give Dark Souls one last shot. Help me.
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The only enemies that are consistently challenging at any time are probably the spinners and Prowling Demons. Especially the Prowling Demons at the bottom of Sen's, because they hit hard, have great range, and can hit you through walls.
But everything you're listing as a complaint is part of the game design philosophy. Minus the technical hiccups, which From has never been great at, with all respect to From they are the Japanese Obsidian, and I love both developers, but both have terrible polish issues. But the game is meant to be trial and error, memorizing layouts and mapping out strategies. It sounds like it's just not your thing, the game is sort of meant to be cheap until you figure it out, which is pretty rewarding. But yeah, it's not meant to be fair to those just stepping in.
KennyLinder
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There is only one part of the game which I would say was unfair, and that was
. Just seemed ridiculous to me and incredibly frustrating. At times it took longer to reload and get to the boss than actually survive during the fight.
Bed of Chaos
He dressed up as a NPC in the game and stood at the spot, the NPC would stand. Invading players ignored him because of that.
I couldn't find the original video, where the one that originally did it, did it way better.
EDIT: Ha, found it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esk2nuLGKzY it's the ultimate troll
He even drops weapons and prism stones and they still don't get it lol
it strikes gold at 6:00 and again at around 9:00. Gets really hilarious from 12:30 onwards.
KennyLinder
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All this talk makes me want to go back right now! MUST FINISH Arkham City first!
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Oh man thats classic!
I alway start with sorcerer now....8 resistance....even if I switch to faith later the early game is is more fun with soul arrows....plus only wasting one extra point in int gives you teh ability to morph into the chameleon object of the level.....always worth a few laughs if you get invaded at atime you don't want to be.....better than wasting three points in resistance and nver using them fgor anything. Definitely try the magic character and use crystal homing soul mass and the tin crystalization catalyst....put on power within buff and see what happens to the enemy.....poof! Overkill would be to hold a sanctus, and whittle yourself down to the low health using dung pie and then stopte drain at red tearstone activation....tripple POOF!....ok overkill would be to have a phantom assist with the trident:What about magic builds? I assume it doesn't really matter which starting character you have?
I definitely do want to go back to the game after Platinuming it try out some magic like Great Soul Arrow, Great Heavy Soul Arrow, Soul Spear, and Homing Soulmass as they're badass
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSNVxIlIXAI&feature=related
I didn't likehow he died at the end though...ultimate troll would be where he trades out a lightning avelyn for his murakumo and shoots the suckers in the back ganstah style!!!!
KennyLinder
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Is Crystal Homing different from regular Homing Soulmass? The Tin Crystalization Catalyst, I have that in my Pyro build but I can't remember where I got it from. I did all the quests for Logan, maybe him?
Crystal Homing are MORE powerful than the basic version.
yes a valuable gift from hollow master logan. it raises the magic adjust to the highest in the game but halves the uses......good for surpirse attacks, bosses that you can take down with other means besides magic, and those siuations where you stack buffs like power within and refd tearstone....ohterwise its better to go with the logan catalyst and high INT.
That was hilarious. Classic Youtube joke comments as well "oh cool he can do that now?" hahaha.
OP, this won't make much sense until you're familiar with the game, but trust us: there's a lot of creativity and depth to this game that just isn't accessible/fathomable on the first play through. We're just messing around here, but make sure you play the game how you want to =)
mickcenary
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.Seriously, the amount of stuff in this game... It's as if you're all talking about 10 different titles. It's very daunting, to say the least.
Anyway, I'll be picking it up in about 3 hours on my work break and hopefully I can start tonight. I have feelings of both great anticipation/excitement and dread, which is more or less how I felt the last time I purchased the game. I'm in a different headspace now, though, as I don't have a handful of fresh and addictive MP games at my fingertips, etc.
Also, I think I've decided on a general approach to the game:
- Pyromancer > Knight build
- Drake Sword
- Come at me, Soulsbro
A wild question appears: ripostes and backstabs. How important are they and how difficult are they to pull off? I really like the idea of them, but they sound risky as fuck.
As a beginner you shouldn't worry about them now, backstab is useful at some point when you're experienced with rolling and dodging enemy attacks, it takes courage and can get you killed if not done properly.
Ripostes are pure fancy, even for skilled players is something that does not work out every time.
All you need is the basic stuff: rolling, hit at the right time, memorize enemies' animations, etc.
Ripostes are pure fancy, even for skilled players is something that does not work out every time.
All you need is the basic stuff: rolling, hit at the right time, memorize enemies' animations, etc.
mickcenary
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Gravy. I'm more than happy to add things to the "don't need to worry about it for now" list.
Also, one thing that still lingers in my mind after all this time is the music during character creation. So good.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
That and backstab usually winds up getting folks killed due to trying to aim for it too much and forgetting about their surroundings. Or well getting hit while attempting it.
Though it is amusing when you pull it off on occasion.
KO Traveling Hobo
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Ripostes are a pain in the ass, but backstabs are super easy and effective. So much so that noobs are sometimes discouraged from using them as they develop bad habits that will leave them boned against enemies that can't be backstabbed.Fixed
Seriously, the amount of stuff in this game... It's as if you're all talking about 10 different titles. It's very daunting, to say the least.
Anyway, I'll be picking it up in about 3 hours on my work break and hopefully I can start tonight. I have feelings of both great anticipation/excitement and dread, which is more or less how I felt the last time I purchased the game. I'm in a different headspace now, though, as I don't have a handful of fresh and addictive MP games at my fingertips, etc.
Also, I think I've decided on a general approach to the game:
- Pyromancer > Knight build
- Drake Sword
- Come at me, Soulsbro
A wild question appears: ripostes and backstabs. How important are they and how difficult are they to pull off? I really like the idea of them, but they sound risky as fuck.
If you find yourself still having trouble with the Drake Sword, I highly recommend picking up a Halberd. Its range is godlike, and the damage isn't too shabby either.
Bar none that piece is one of my favorite armor designs in any RPG. I'd wear that in real life 24/7 if I had access to it.I have a friend who normally hates medieval fantasy and hard games, but he's finding himself drawn toward Dark Souls just because of all the mundane-yet-wonderful gear.
iRAWRasaurus
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A wild question appears: ripostes and backstabs. How important are they and how difficult are they to pull off? I really like the idea of them, but they sound risky as fuck.
You might want to learn how to ripostes, it will come extremely in handly later on in the game
. But the Elite Knight Armor is amazing, one of my favorite sets.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Back in Demons Souls I started off as the rogue class and got my STR up so I could use the Halberd. Used that damned thing all the way till the end of the game and nothing else! Besides a good bow of course mind you. lol
Just be mindful of small spaces and what stance you are in.
KO Traveling Hobo
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Oh, here's a brotip: in the Depths, there's a merchant that sells Crystal gear. Of these, the Crystal Shield seems like one of the most underrated shields in the game. Durability is not even remotely an issue.
mickcenary
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Just got it. 40AUD. Feels good, man. I can hear back-of-the-box quote/warning laughing at me. I am not prepared.
I'm still unsure of which character class to select. I'm just going to decide on the spot, methinks.
Thanks again to all contributers. I'm sure I'll be in the OT a lot.
I'm still unsure of which character class to select. I'm just going to decide on the spot, methinks.
Thanks again to all contributers. I'm sure I'll be in the OT a lot.
The beauty of Dark Souls is you can make a character that does everything. You're only locked it really early on.
The Teachinator
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Well because is thread inspired me I rang the first bell today. What fun! As I said earlier I loved Demons Souls but felt an immediate disconnect from Dark Souls when it first came out, Im glad Im revisiting it now. Lots of fun. The tip abiut grabbing the Drake Sword really helped me quite a bit.
About 1/3 of the way through the game, my humanity was always 1 or 0. It stressed me out that I could not regain human form and be able to summon others players to help with bosses.
(summoning is so helpful btw, especially for early bosses.)
I ended up doing speed runs thru the sewers to gain random humanity drops from the large rats. Got my humanity count to about 30. Helped take the stress off when I wanted to summon another.
The dark wood grain ring was hugely helpful for my build too. Fast rolling to dodge and counter saved my ass more than a few times.
(summoning is so helpful btw, especially for early bosses.)
I ended up doing speed runs thru the sewers to gain random humanity drops from the large rats. Got my humanity count to about 30. Helped take the stress off when I wanted to summon another.
The dark wood grain ring was hugely helpful for my build too. Fast rolling to dodge and counter saved my ass more than a few times.
Effective humanity farming and the DWGR are probably two of the biggest stress-relievers for me. Those and getting a fully upgraded lightning claymore.
mickcenary
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DWGR? Great. Thanks for mentioning yet another piece of equipment that I've not heard of before, guys.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO HEAR.
SHIT.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO HEAR.
SHIT.
Haha, so sorry. I will elaborate. The Dark Wood Grain Ring is perhaps one of the most broken pieces of equipment in the game. You can get it by
Wearing said ring turns all of your dodges and backsteps into ridiculously fast flips and cartwheels regardless of how much your armor weighs.
joining the Forest Hunters covenant in Darkroot Garden and killing the ninja-looking merchant in the area that becomes accessible after you join.
mickcenary
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Ha. Thanks for that. Well, I didn't intend to read that spoiler, but alas, I quoted you and inadvertently saw it, anyway. Super! That does sound like a fun thing to use, though. I'll keep it in mind.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
That sounds like a recipe for disaster with flipping off the nearest ledge by accident. lol
Sentenza
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On a side note, when it comes to armor design I don't think there is a single game around able to compete head to head with The Witcher 2 (and no, I'm not referring just to Geralt's usable armors).
yeah any noob will drink this ring in an never take it off...I like it for multiplayer...and who am I kidding...it goes on ASAP for Soul level one runs as well.
It is rather tedious to acquire...but that's what I think makes sense in this game...the best shit takes themost effort to get.
inaddition to orayn's spoiler///correcct me if wrong folks but
the ninja gives fog ring in garden and dwgr in blighttown...so must speak to shiva in garden first then go to blighttown to kill siad ninja?
Itake it your an OZ there mick? my trip down under was a blast...nice and warm in Canada's winter months....I even wore my roots/beaver t-shirt ...gotta root root root for the home team!! (spring a root means to screw in Australian for our north american ior european followers)
Hopefully the time difference is such that we can still help you as summons.....
...as for the starting character don't sweat it...sure there is only one virgin run, butr by my standards in the real life virgin experience....it was mostly learning on my part...this may be no different.
really your options are simple:
foraneasier go ealry get magic:
pyro= glove early and 6or 8 small fireballs upgrades withsouls - negative is that you get 3 extra unwanted pointsinresistance but no biggy if you never do pvp muchwiththis character.
sorcerer= catslyst and soul arrows 30...tjhis 30 number alone is worththe sorcerer, pllus you don't get theresistance points.....negative - doesn't quite pack a lot of punch unles you pump intelligence stats....and you can bespending your souls on vitality and endurance otherwise.
no real poor choice bertween these two though so don't sweat it.
don't be worreid about dying...I suggest you do suicide runsto find teh equipment lying around near firelink...take the master key and start running by enemies until lyou see a shiny white item and once you take it oits yours for life...dying is aftually a benefit in most cases as you get back to firelink without having to travel the distance!!!!
ENjoy Death!!!!! Embrace mortality!!!!
@tucoBP - I know what you mean...there is a youtube of all armours in the game just for geralt and there were literally 50 sets 45 of which I did not pick up...notwithstanding...the realism in witcher is nice but a good fantasy tweak here in dark souls is more my preference....crazy fantasy is crazy, but I play games to escape reality to a very limited but necessary extent.....Japanese humouor is actually pretty funny if you can get your head around it.....not sure i hve but I hope \i am laughing withj them when they do their Mr Dress up shit like both phantoms dress like you the host exactly down tothe weapon used etc......everyone wore a maiden suit one time and we beasted orn and smu all three maidens of us!
Supermanisdead
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wait, people come into your game and kill you? what is that shit. i kinda want to buy this since i got a 25$ gift card for a site that isnt selling any game i want. is there any kind of traditional grinding or is it pure skill based?
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
You collect souls which are then pumped into the various stats of your character, which dictates being able to use weapons / magic correctly, wear armor without penalties. Its actually a lot more than that, but this is the basics. Kill something, souls automatically go into your pool. Get to a bonfire to distribute points. Though if you die, you drop all souls you were carrying, get back to the point of death and recover what you loss. Die again and lose everything previously lost as its rewritten with a new death spot. These souls are also used as currency to purchase items / gear in the game.
If you dont want to get invaded just play in "offline" mode.
This should give you a general idea of the stats you have to work with in game when you distribute the soul points into your character.
http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/Stats
Info about the bonfires which is an important part of the game as its the checkpoints / camp menu to level up from among other things.
http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/Bonfire
Also info on the "humanity" system which is another important addition to the series.
http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/Humanity
Info about "invading" the whole PVP thing.
http://darksouls.wikidot.com/pvp
Supermanisdead
Member
thanks, but what if a boss kills you and you cant get back those souls you need to get stronger to kill that boss. i'll probably still buy it since that armour upthread looks nice.
mickcenary
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Sure am, dude. Glad to hear that you enjoyed our country! We're in the dead of winter right now - and it is quite the wintry winter. Perfect weather for having your soul crushed by a video game, if you ask me.
And yeah, I'm tending to agree with the whole laissez-faire approach the more I think about it. I don't want to overwhelm myself with what shit I "should" get and whatnot. I think I just might keep the wikidot at hand and wing it. The game may never even click with me; who knows?
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Yeah thats one issue and you are pretty much boned since once in a boss area you cant escape till you or it is dead lol
But the game does show what areas will lead to a boss by how the "zone" entrance has a shimmering white field in said entrance way. So if you knowingly went through there before using up all your souls by either lving up stats or shopping, only have yourself to blame basically.
Ive been dumb and done that before. Lesson learned the hard way haha but all part of the experience. Lost around 20k souls that way.
My friend honestly if you want to enjoy the game, play it the way you want to or how you would react in real life so to speak. You will have a much more enjoyable time that way than worrying about the million of different opinions that people have told you is the "best" way to play the game. As everyone is different in both skill level and play style. Find what works for you through experimentation. When things get tough we are all here ready with another million answers for you lol
I see the Demons / Dark Souls games as personality tests. Since its fascinating to watch everyone play differently, if left to their own devices.
But the game does show what areas will lead to a boss by how the "zone" entrance has a shimmering white field in said entrance way. So if you knowingly went through there before using up all your souls by either lving up stats or shopping, only have yourself to blame basically.
Ive been dumb and done that before. Lesson learned the hard way haha but all part of the experience. Lost around 20k souls that way.
My friend honestly if you want to enjoy the game, play it the way you want to or how you would react in real life so to speak. You will have a much more enjoyable time that way than worrying about the million of different opinions that people have told you is the "best" way to play the game. As everyone is different in both skill level and play style. Find what works for you through experimentation. When things get tough we are all here ready with another million answers for you lol
I see the Demons / Dark Souls games as personality tests. Since its fascinating to watch everyone play differently, if left to their own devices.
MMaRsu
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mickcenary
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Thanks, Parakeetman. Solid advice! This is my game, damn it! (/facetious knob; every bit of input has been appreciated!)
I know the type of character I want. I want him to have rad armour and rad swords and be rad at melee/countering/maneuvering. Rad. And correct me if I'm wrong, but going on the information in this thread, it seems that whichever character you choose in the beginning can ultimately be moulded into whatever you like, so I'm not too worried.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Basically yes. It just may take you longer since you will have to raise lower level skills higher to get it up to the requirements you may need.
For example in Demons Souls I played a rogue type of character, not too much strength, but since I enjoyed using a halberd and wearing medium armor on my legs / arms I pumped it up a bit and raised my stamina a lot so that not only could I attack a good number of times, Id be able to run a lot too.
There are endless possibilities really and thats whats so great about the game.
The only thing the game will "force" you into is one of the starting classes, from there its a piece of clay that you mold to your liking. Just be sure once again to read up the info on each of the stats you can raise so you know exactly what to throw points into ahead of time. Will save the trouble of trial and error. Then again you can pretty much keep going and just raise everything if you really wanted to / had time so not like you will ever hit a brick wall.
Though seriously one sound piece of advice is dont run around all over the place like a maniac. Trust me you will regret it in one form or another lol
Touch fuzZy. get BizZay
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Demon's / Dark souls is the most thrilling and rewarding game I've played in years. It is frustrating as you learn so some patience is required, but I can't recommend it enough.
mickcenary
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Cheers. Sounds muy bueno. Yeah, I'm not gonna lie; when you guys started throwing around those 3 letter abbreviations for 'dexterity' and whatnot, I nearly spasmed into the fetal position. This game is like nothing I've ever played before, which is what makes it oh, so enticing, but oh, so daunting at the same time.
I will give it a good crack, though.
EDIT: I just now realised that I barely addressed anything you said. Pooing myself and begging for hugs, obviously.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Am sure you will enjoy it. Just take it at stride. No reason to rush and what not. Wouldnt be an adventure without the excitement and worry building up lol
Ya that's the only thing in the game that really frustrated me because of how unfair it was.
I look forward to replaying this game on Steam eventually.
More or less. There are some favored starting classes for certain character builds, but that's just to min/max and wring out a few extra stat points. Bear in mind that it is possible to sort of build yourself into a corner if you dump too many points into certain stats. It doesn't mean needing to restart the game since there are always ways to get through whatever encounter is giving you trouble, but starting a new character can actually be a fun solution because you'll breeze through previously visited areas and discover new things along the way.
To give you some idea of how extreme this can be, I learned to complete in an afternoon what took me well over a week of playing my first time through. Even with a fresh character, you keep all the knowledge, which makes a much bigger difference than stats.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Funny since Ive never built myself into a corner / had the need to redo my character. Its not like most people are going to reach the max lv of 792 anyways haha. Though if what you mean is will take you longer to get where you want to go the more you level up, then yes that can happen.
Isn't that in a couple short weeks?
I just realized how... Inefficient my character was and wanted to build something leaner and deadlier at the same or lower soul level. Then again, I'm a perfectionist at heart, so starting games over to do them "better" is my bread and butter.
Haha, not to worry. Pretty soon you'll be spittin' 3 letter abbreviations like a pro. You'll have forgotten what class you picked to begin with, and you'll be laughing at a ghost of your old self, getting killed by careless mistakes.
I will add one constructive form of advice about character creation/leveling, spoilered in case you really want to just try stuff out and learn as you go (highly recommended - don't quote me! Make this post redundant, I dare ya!)
All these scary attributes can be tinkered with to your liking, but once you put levels in, you can't go back. Some - like Vitality and Endurance - do exactly what they say on the tin, and are universally useful regardless of your build (to an extent).
Others - like Strength, Dexterity and Intelligence - are more for catering to your chosen playstyle, particularly which weapons you use. There are parameter requisites and bonuses for every weapon, so keep an eye on these while you make your choices. When you select a stat to level up, you'll see if it has a positive effect on your currently equipped weapon (in each slot for each hand) because the numbers will light up in blue.
Others - like Strength, Dexterity and Intelligence - are more for catering to your chosen playstyle, particularly which weapons you use. There are parameter requisites and bonuses for every weapon, so keep an eye on these while you make your choices. When you select a stat to level up, you'll see if it has a positive effect on your currently equipped weapon (in each slot for each hand) because the numbers will light up in blue.
It sounds ludicrously simple when put into writing, but many players overlook this basic mechanic in either of the Souls games, and kick themselves later for not having realised its potential.
However (and this may have already been said), one thing I will not spoiler is that you really shouldn't bother putting points into Resistance. It sounds like a useful attribute, but in fact you can get the help you need by switching up your armour on occasion, and the vast majority consider RES a waste of hard-earned souls. You have been warned. Resistance is futile.
Enjoy it mate, spend as long on that character creation as you can, because it's about as peaceful as it gets =)