Multiple people shot at Wisconsin Sikh temple

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eznark

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I am shocked at how little press this is getting. MSNBC this morning was pretty much business as usual.

I'd like to think it is the media learning it's lesson and not jumping to conclusions and waiting for the facts before spinning yarns and bullshit speculation.
 
I am a Sikh and i am absolutely furious at this event. What is annoying is that the Aurora gunman was identified within hours and this happened almost 16 hrs ago and still we have no information regarding the person and his reason behind this.

EDIT: I hadnt read through this thread but i guess i am not the only person annoyed at this.

Not sure why you're annoyed by not getting a name immediately, but it won't change how the system works. Colorado wasn't deemed terrorism. This was. And once that assessment was made, the FBI took over and their protocol was put in place.
 
I'd like to think it is the media learning it's lesson and not jumping to conclusions and waiting for the facts before spinning yarns and bullshit speculation.

and you know its not.

they'd have to explain that there are other religions in this world besides Christianity and Islam.
 

eznark

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and you know its not.

they'd have to explain that there are other religions in this world besides Christianity and Islam.

Yeah, bullshit. The city and FBI have said there would be a press conference today where more information will be released and questions will be answered. I imagine they are waiting on that. There was already a ton of misinformation reported because people relied on third hand information from people tangentially involved.

Also, the guy is a veteran. Seems like the press is always significantly more worried about properly vetting all details before reporting stories about lunatic vets.
 
You don't need to know anything about a religion to know that you cannot walk up to a group of civilians, men, women and children (adherents of that faith) and gun them down. Education of any nature helps, of course, but if we take a look at race relations, for example, we see that there is still racial tension and bigoted views even in multi-racial and ethnic societies; there will always be some people that have a different view from the mass no matter what; it is human nature.
The important part of your post is "education of any nature helps". There is a mountain of social studies and other literature demonstrating that acquainting people with difference and diversity makes them more understanding and tolerant of it.

I've seen several people make this hard-and-fast argument now that intolerance just exists and a crazy person is going to kill no matter what, so why bother with any form of education about religious belief. It is perfectly reasonable to say that intolerance will continue to exist, that shootings will continue to happen, but also that likelihood of both will be diminished by better educating citizens of the world about the diversity of their citizenry.

(Never mind that sending kids out into the world with a paltry knowledge of a major facet of human existence is downright negligent.)
 
The guy was discharged in 1998 from the Army due to "patterns of misconduct."

And for anyone saying it's not getting any coverage, you're wrong. CNNs been pretty much only covering this.
 
The important part of your post is "education of any nature helps". There is a mountain of social studies and other literature demonstrating that acquainting people with difference and diversity makes them more understanding and tolerant of it.

I've seen several people make this hard-and-fast argument now that intolerance just exists and a crazy person is going to kill no matter what, so why bother with any form of education about religious belief. It is perfectly reasonable to say that intolerance will continue to exist, that shootings will continue to happen, but also that likelihood of both will be diminished by better educating citizens of the world about the diversity of their citizenry.

(Never mind that sending kids out into the world with a paltry knowledge of a major facet of human existence is downright negligent.)

I agree. I was just responding to the suggestion that education would prevent this completely.
 

eznark

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The guy was discharged in 1998 from the Army due to "patterns of misconduct."

And for anyone saying it's not getting any coverage, you're wrong. CNNs been pretty much only covering this.

Yeah, it's getting regular rotation coverage instead of the sensationalized bullshit 24/7 that apparently some in the thread want.
 

DrForester

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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...d-gunman-in-wisconsin-sikh-temple-attack?lite

The alleged gunman in Sunday’s killing rampage at a Sikh temple in southern Wisconsin is Wade Michael Page, authorities told NBC’s Pete Williams Monday.

Page, who served in the Army from April 1992 through October 1998, allegedly killed six people at the temple and wounded three before he was shot and killed. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, Page is the former leader of a neo-Nazi music group called End Apathy.
 

Zzoram

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Yeah, bullshit. The city and FBI have said there would be a press conference today where more information will be released and questions will be answered. I imagine they are waiting on that. There was already a ton of misinformation reported because people relied on third hand information from people tangentially involved.

Also, the guy is a veteran. Seems like the press is always significantly more worried about properly vetting all details before reporting stories about lunatic vets.

Well, ya, because a veteran going nuts and killing people is something many people fear of veterans, leading to people not wanting to be around them.
 

eznark

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I wouldn't make such an assumption. It's not as if these people only have hatred against muslims. Atheists, gays, sikhs, muslims, Mexicans, Jews, it's all the same to them.

Yeah, if he truly was a neo-Nazi, then this is the largest target of "other" in Oak Creek. If there were a similar size Mosque or Jewish temple then I'm guessing he'd have been happy to go after them as well.

Pulling some of that speculative bullshit I despise from the media, I'd guess this was suicide by cop because he just got his ass dumped. Happy side effect was he got to kill some of the non-whites he hated so much.
 
Yeah, bullshit. The city and FBI have said there would be a press conference today where more information will be released and questions will be answered. I imagine they are waiting on that. There was already a ton of misinformation reported because people relied on third hand information from people tangentially involved.

Also, the guy is a veteran. Seems like the press is always significantly more worried about properly vetting all details before reporting stories about lunatic vets.

I was referring to your point that the media has "learned" to be more cautious. They haven't.
 
I can't believe so few know what a Sikh is.
Did the terrorist attack the temple because he thought they were muslims?
Is that strongest hypothesis as of now?
 

bionic77

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That wasn't a point so much as wishful thinking. No one immediately called him a tea partier/occupy wall streeter so...progress?
You must be relieved that no one outside of some assholes on GAF linked to him to the Packers.

I wonder if the cop who shot this guy is going to become a national hero the way Captain Sully did?
 
I can't believe so few know what a Sikh is.
Did the terrorist attack the temple because he thought they were muslims?
Is that strongest hypothesis as of now?

He's a neo-nazi. Didn't matter if they were muslims. They were brown, and that's on the list of banned colors in a neo-nazi's tiny little bigoted mind.
 
I looked at Stormfront earlier, unfortunately. They were speculating about cover-ups: apparently the believe that both this shooting and Aurora involved multiple government-sanctioned shooters as an elaborate way of removing the second amendment or something?
 
Which is why I need to buy more guns. All the gun control people are going to run with this. Two psychos within a month massacring people. smh.
It's sad that the two psychos massacring people are the focus, and not the rampant and generalized gun violence occurring all day and all night across the United States.

The nation averages 87 gun deaths each day as a function of gun violence, with an average of 183 injured, according to the University of Chicago Crime Lab and the Centers for Disease Control. The crime lab’s research estimates the annual cost of gun violence to society at $100 billion.
 

bro1

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I looked at Stormfront earlier, unfortunately. They were speculating about cover-ups: apparently the believe that both this shooting and Aurora involved multiple government-sanctioned shooters as an elaborate way of removing the second amendment or something?

same thing on infowars.com. Nut cases.
 

FairyD

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I looked at Stormfront earlier, unfortunately. They were speculating about cover-ups: apparently the believe that both this shooting and Aurora involved multiple government-sanctioned shooters as an elaborate way of removing the second amendment or something?

Wow you weren't kidding.
 
It's sad that the two psychos massacring people are the focus, and not the rampant and generalized gun violence occurring all day and all night across the United States.

Oh you mean like the gun violence in the city of Chicago where it's gun laws are doing a great job at keeping gun violence down. You're absolutely right though we should focus on the bigger picture. It's too bad the Sikhs didn't have any weapons to protect themselves with.
 
It is considering how the liberal the state is . I expected the red states to be much more radical
The metro areas on the coast are liberal. California is a lot more than the coast. There's 37.6 million people in the state, and LA/San Diego/San Jose/San Francisco add up to about 8 million.
 

Stet

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Oh you mean like the gun violence in the city of Chicago where it's gun laws are doing a great job at keeping gun violence down. You're absolutely right though we should focus on the bigger picture. It's too bad the Sikhs didn't have any weapons to protect themselves with.

Yeah, this would never have happened if someone in that temple had been carrying a knife.
 
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