Daydream Sequence
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To a white supremacist, the only wrong target is another white supremacist.
Multiple people shot at Wisconsin Sikh temple
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To a white supremacist, the only wrong target is another white supremacist.
el retorno
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Its sole purpose is to kill or destroy something. The fact that it is used for non-lethal purposes doesn't change that fact.
Alligatorjandro
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Neo Nazi groups should be labeled terrorists and treated as such.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Its really disturbing you think gun control saves lives.
Dark Octave
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LOL! WHAT? This is one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard here on Gaf.
The SOLE purpose of a gun is a long distance kill at the press of a button.
Holy shit, so I've just seen the Christian site where one of the users has defended the shooting and had a go at Sikhs.
Coming from Sikh origins, I can tell you that this has caused quite the outrage in the Sikh community.
It is really hard to believe what people can write on the internet. Are there christians in America who really feel this way??? I guess he is probably a neo-nazi too.
Coming from Sikh origins, I can tell you that this has caused quite the outrage in the Sikh community.
It is really hard to believe what people can write on the internet. Are there christians in America who really feel this way??? I guess he is probably a neo-nazi too.
Daydream Sequence
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Not half as disturbing or inane as:
That statement and your post history leads me to believe that you're just trolling these people.
SniperHunter
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Those people are losers, they don't have anything better to do. You on the other hand, should be doing more productive things with your time, rather than reading their hate filled posts. Come on bro....
Yeah there are dumbfuck, vile, racist christians in America. Sadly, there are dumbfuck, racist vile christians everywhere.
Joel Was Right
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I think the fact that the Sikhs in this community, particularly this temple, as well as nation wide, have been the targets of anti-Muslim insults makes it unlikely that he chose them without prejudice (beyond the obvious).
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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The press of a button? Also handguns arent designed for long range shooting.
Maybe she was getting some sikh dick on the low.
shiiiiiit, I've read more on that forum, loads on there spilling their racist crap.
Don't know why I'm reading it. Soul destroying.
Odd comment from someone who's so blatently doing selective responses to all the posters responding to you.
Is this really what your arguments been whittled down to: "are real guns used in competition shooting?" How does that affect anything related to the merits of gun control? Does it make your comment that "guns are no more deadly than knives or cars" any less ridiculous?
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Please tell me about how DCs gun control laws have saved lives.
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victreeb3l
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avoid reading internet comments. there are many disgusting people in the world, and the internet has given them a platform to spew their stupidity
lol wat
Joel Was Right
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You must be new to the internet. What website did you read, link? Its not Stormfront is it?
David Incorporated Esq.
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Fyi guys: don't bother responding to Manos, dude's a legendary troll.
Karma Kramer
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Sometimes I think Manos is Stephen Colbert.
It's not like I go out searching for it. I just read the article and when you scroll down people are sharing their opinions. Most of the time it is just condolences, but it's just jarring to see there are people who think like this even though I know it is a small minority who believe this way. Ignoring them doesn't make them go away. I am well aware that internet comments aren't representative of a population, but some human being still had to take the trouble of typing them out. Clearly these issues are powerful enough that they can cause someone to take an innocent life.
Yeah I can't read stuff like that. I know it's out there but I won't go out of my way to visit Stormfront or anything to give them hits and see them spout that venomous shit.
Dark Octave
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Flip of a switch, pull of a trigger, press of a button. It's all the same and way too easy to take a life with a weapon like that.
Anything more than arms length is long range when in the context of hand to hand combat.
Without taking specific sides on gun control here, suicide methods aren't fungible (that's the point of the story, actually), so your assertion here assumes that suicide methods of choice are the same from country to country, which isn't true. By far the most common suicide method for Japanese men is drowning, which is nearly unknown as a suicide method in America. (Japanese women tend to hang themselves instead.) For another example, in nearly every country, women use firearms for suicide significantly less often than men. The specific reasons for this would probably take a study of their own to discern, but the point is that, while there might be a certain amount of additional suicides with guns available, it's not really safe to assert that there would be a meaningful rise in the suicide rate, because results in European countries aren't straightforwardly translatable to results in Japan.
In this specific case I think the solution is better education and ecumenism more than anything.
BattleMonkey
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Guns don't have a sole purpose. You even say such when you note that they are used for other purposes. You are not making sense by claiming they are used for multi purpose use and then trying to say they have a sole purpose as "fact"
el retorno
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Those guns come from out of state. You have to cross a border.
It's not Stormfront. I was going to link, but on second thoughts, I don't want that site or its users to get any more attention than they deserve.
Joel Was Right
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Rare moment here, but I agree with you completely
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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What gun is press of a button or flip of a switch? Crank of a handle makes more sense. What experience with firearms do you have?
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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So for people who follow DC gun control laws, are they safer fir it or more likely to suffer harm because of them?
Alligatorjandro
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what is going on in here?
Dark Octave
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Guns weren't intednded to be used to shoot in non-lethal parts of the body. I've never had a paper taget at the range that had legs. Just becasue someone chooses to aim for the legs when in confrontation doesn't mean that's another purpose of a gun. During the summer I can fry an egg on the hood of my car but I'm sure that wasn't the original intentions for it.
Police and military are trained to shoot to kill. That's it. That's the only purpose of a gun, to take lives.
BattleMonkey
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What there creation intention was for has nothing to do with what people use them for. They are now multi purpose devices. Family has quite a few guns between us and not one has been used to harm a person or even an animal. It is collection purposes and sport. They no longer have a sole purpose and haven't for a long time.
But those other purposes they're used for are basically "simulations" or even practices of their intended purpose. And we've got to the point now where these simulations and practices can, for the most part, be done without the lethality of a real firearm.
BattleMonkey
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Collecting is a simulation?
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Yes, but that logic (excluding collecting) is similar to viewing that original intent must govern current usage and interpretation, and I think we can agree that's a very limiting principle.
Why would you want to do that?
A recap of your contribution to the thread:
Gun violence in the US is high.
Manos: Do they include suicides?
Gun death stats include suicides.
Manos: Those are falsely inflated numbers! Never mind the huge amount of gun crime even without suicides included, the entire stats are contaminated with liberalism!
Study shows lack of easy gun access reduces suicides by up to 50%.
Manos: *activate straw-man* You're in favour of making suicide illegal!
Study shows it reduces impulsive suicides by people who were going through a very dark time but recovered.
Manos: *activate straw-man* Japan has high suicide stats but no guns! zomg.
Study shows suicides are reduced, not eliminated entirely.
Manos: *changes tack* A gun's sole purpose is no less deadly than a knife or car.
Then why do the army use guns?
Manos: *moves goalposts* A tiny minority of guns are used for competition shooting. There! Surely that means the fact that guns are primarily used in combat is completely irrelevant as to their purpose.
You can use air guns for competition shooting.
Manos: Ah, but real competitions use rifles like the M1 Garand.
Do you not think you're getting off-track here?
Manos: WHY ARE YOU AFRAID TO ANSWER ME? IF I CAN PROVE SOMEONE ONCE USED A GUN NOT TO KILL SOMETHING IT MEANS I'VE PROVED THAT GUNS HAVE NEVER KILLED ANYONE!
That argument has no bearing on gun control
Manos: *moves goalposts* How have the District of Columbia'ss gun control laws saved lives?!?
Dark Octave
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Gotta catch 'em all.
cheststrongwell
my cake, fuck off
I don't understand why the gun debate isn't banned from this thread.
Blergmeister
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Edit: I feel the same as the above post, I don't want to get into the gun debate in this thread. I'm following this strictly for the news about this unfortunate event. I originally did not intend to add to that debate when I came in here.
Dr. Pangloss
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Whoa. This statement has no basis in reality. The reason why Japan's suicide rate is high is primarily due to culture reasons surrounding the use of psychological aid. It's a lost of status to go to a psychologist and ask for help. And it would be wrong to ignore that the increase availability of guns is directly proportional to the suicide rate.
Because it is the 800 lb gorilla in the room. It is an issue and you shouldn't have to pretend here like the politicians do about these issues.
Keep digging that grave, champ.
As long as you can nit-pick the wording of the post and completely ignore the actual statement, it almost looks like you have a point!
Current usage still follows the original intent. Shooting a target isn't some radical fucking departure from the original intent. In fact most people call it practicing. Do you know what the term practicing means?
Why wouldn't you? Most of the good and none of the bad.
Collecting is so insanely generalized and limited depending on what you're collecting. I can't collect anything. What if I just generally want to collect deadly illegal poisons, or what if I want to collect bombs. Should this be ok?
And for the record I'm not necessarily some sort of gun control nut. For the most part I'm pretty ok with gun laws the way they are now. I would like background checks on every gun purchase instead of having the show loophole, but that's about it, really. But I still think you'er silly as shit if you think that the purpose of a gun has radically changed just because you personally haven't killed something with it, and to liken it to a car or a kitchen knife is downright loony.
el retorno
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People collect stamps. Is their purpose not for postage?
(I'm not in favor of completely banning guns by any means. Just that restrictions are sensible to an item whose purpose is to hurt and kill)
Putting more guns in peoples hands doesn't solve problems. Its just the other person dead.
You seem to be saying that if everyone had a gun we'd all be good.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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So you're not going to participate in the discussion with an answer?
You haven't responded to most of the points I've made and also the point another poster made of why you point about Japan was flawed with your attempt to connect it to the Swiss study.
You were also wrong about the majority of shooting competitions using air rifles and have dishonestly attempted to make it seem like I implied all gun competitions used M1 Garands, when it was an example. Many use AR-15s, others handguns. In fact here are some examples for you.
http://www.idpa.com/
http://www.ipsc.org/
http://www.uspsa.org/
Dreams-Visions
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I can't disagree with you in this case.
Unfortunately he was able to buy the gun legally and go on a shooting spree. But...with no history of violence (having never even been deployed in a combat zone in the military), I don't know how you implement rules that would have kept him from getting the firearm legally.
I don't know if it's fair to do something like require costly psych profiles or something, as these incidents are literally 1 in 10 million. I just don't see a reasonable solution beyond better enforcing the laws that are already present.
David Incorporated Esq.
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Because unless you force the debate, it's never appropriate to discuss gun control until after the next incident of mass gun violence and then the clock resets.
el retorno
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Those sports are about practicing to kill other people. The first link even says as much
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