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[MisterNugNug]

Is it known why Wade chose a Sikh temple?

 

[GungHo]

It is considering how the liberal the state is . I expected the red states to be much more radical

Once you get off of the coast, California is pretty damn red. Same with a lot of states on the East Coast. Pennsylvania is a blue and red Oreo with the red in the middle. You don't see that stuff on the big maps because the electoral colleges are winner take all, but if you drill down to congressional districts (federal and state), it's fairly plain.

There are also converse examples in the red states where there are pockets of blue. Where I grew up in Texas (south east) is pretty blue. The state capital is as well. Houston is purple. Dallas is Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer.

 

[halogamer]

The policemen were very brave and also Satwant Singh Kaleka, the president of the temple, who died trying to tackle the shooter.
Satwant Singh Kaleka:

 

[speculawyer]

Inspiring? Really? You gotta be shitting me. People are worse than I thought. Fox Nation really is a cesspool.

 

[apana]

It is considering how the liberal the state is . I expected the red states to be much more radical

This is a nation of 300 million people and California is the most populous state. You are going to see more hate groups just because California has more people. Some of those groups are located in very blue areas.

 

[Amalthea]

Inspiring? Really? You gotta be shitting me. People are worse than I thought. Fox Nation really is a cesspool.

They should start calling themselves Fox Nazi-on.

 

[Dram]

Is it known why Wade chose a Sikh temple?

He probably thought they were Muslim.

 

[Steelrain]

He probably thought they were Muslim.

Nah, the FBI said it's undetermined at this point.

All we know is it's a neo-nazi. Who hate pretty much everyone except other neo-nazis.

 

[el retorno]

I moved this to your other thread.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Experts: Alleged temple gunman, 'Jack Boot,' led neo-Nazi band, had deep extremist ties

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/06/13147115-experts-alleged-temple-gunman-jack-boot-led-neo-nazi-band-had-deep-extremist-ties?lite

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I want to see the mental and algorithmic gymnastics that make this story inspiring.

 

[CHEEZMO™]

I want to see the mental and algorithmic gymnastics that make this story inspiring.

Protecting the White Man's Land against the hordes of brown, pagan invaders. A true patriot.

*"Bellamy" salute*

 

[Daydream Sequence]

He probably thought they were Muslim.

No, he probably thought they looked different than him. That's who Neo Nazis/supremacists target.

 

[Amir0x]

so now the terrorist was a white supremacist neo-nazi

b-b-but muslims are the only terrorists

 

[Joel Was Right]

Experts: Alleged temple gunman, 'Jack Boot,' led neo-Nazi band, had deep extremist ties

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/06/13147115-experts-alleged-temple-gunman-jack-boot-led-neo-nazi-band-had-deep-extremist-ties?lite

He was a well spoken man. He was also assigned to psy-ops in the military

Functional area description. Encompasses positions which re-quire officers possessing special skills relating to the conduct of PSYOP or CA. Additionally, these highly educated officers must have critical skills associated with a specific region of the world, foreign language expertise, political-military awareness, and cross-cultural communications. PSYOP and CA officers perform critical roles across the spectrum of conflict at all levels of command. In addition, both PSYOP and CA have companies, battalions, and one PSYOP group level command, which perform significant missions in support of Conventional and Special Operations, theater, and national objectives. PSYOP and CA officers play critical roles in foreign internal defense and unconventional warfare as well as other missions directed by the national command authority, in peace and war.
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It seems unlikely to me that such an individual would therefore mistake a Sikh temple for a Mosque. Browsing Stormfront this afternoon, I find it hard to believe this man was acting on behalf of a white supremacist ideology. There isn't a lack of minorities in the country - why choose one of the smaller less known, groups much less gun them down during a prayer? Whilst supremacists have a skewed sense of ethics, they are often extremely politicised; such an act, they know, would put an even more unfavourable spotlight on them. It doesn't seem like their motto to do this.

This could turn out to be something completely different than what we had imagined

 

[apana]

No, he probably thought they looked different than him. That's who Neo Nazis/supremacists target.

Well both could be true. I suspect he probably thought they were Muslim but would have been perfectly happy to kill other people as well. Maybe he moved to this place and thought he was in a nice white area but grew angry when he saw this big temple with all these brown people in it. Men like these are very confused and filled with despair on the inside so dying while killing some people he hated would have been very appealing for him. Maybe he even thought it would be some kind of message, that it would trigger something.

He was a well spoken man. He was also assigned to psy-ops in the military

Functional area description. Encompasses positions which re-quire officers possessing special skills relating to the conduct of PSYOP or CA. Additionally, these highly educated officers must have critical skills associated with a specific region of the world, foreign language expertise, political-military awareness, and cross-cultural communications. PSYOP and CA officers perform critical roles across the spectrum of conflict at all levels of command. In addition, both PSYOP and CA have companies, battalions, and one PSYOP group level command, which perform significant missions in support of Conventional and Special Operations, theater, and national objectives. PSYOP and CA officers play critical roles in foreign internal defense and unconventional warfare as well as other missions directed by the national command authority, in peace and war.
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It seems unlikely to me that such an individual would therefore mistake a Sikh temple for a Mosque. Browsing Stormfront this afternoon, I find it hard to believe this man was acting on behalf of a white supremacist ideology. There isn't a lack of minorities in the country - why choose one of the smaller less known, groups much less gun them down during a prayer? Whilst supremacists have a skewed sense of ethics, they are often extremely politicised; such an act, they know, would put an even more unfavourable spotlight on them. It doesn't seem like their motto to do this.

This could turn out to be something completely different than what we had imagined

I would say even most "educated" people can't tell the difference. There isn't a lack of minorities but these are the ones who were near him I guess. A lot of people get on a nazi or supremacist path because they are confused. Like I said, they feel insecure and maybe a white identity gives them some sense of belonging. It also gives them an outlet for the hate and despair they feel inside, which they can now direct at people who don't belong in their group. There are all kinds of white supremacists and racists out there. They aren't exactly known for being the most peace loving and stable people on the planet. They can be consumed by fits of rage or madness like anyone else.

 

[bafflewaffle]

Experts: Alleged temple gunman, 'Jack Boot,' led neo-Nazi band, had deep extremist ties

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/06/13147115-experts-alleged-temple-gunman-jack-boot-led-neo-nazi-band-had-deep-extremist-ties?lite

hipsters will start listen to his music ironically :/

Pic of the officer who got shot 8 times while engaging the suspect. He is 51 years old...glad he made it.

Full story here
http://fox6now.com/2012/08/06/51-year-old-oak-creek-police-officer-recovering-following-shooting/

he look like white supremacy also tbh :/

 

[cheststrongwell]

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[Cat Party]

He was a well spoken man. He was also assigned to psy-ops in the military

Functional area description. Encompasses positions which re-quire officers possessing special skills relating to the conduct of PSYOP or CA. Additionally, these highly educated officers must have critical skills associated with a specific region of the world, foreign language expertise, political-military awareness, and cross-cultural communications. PSYOP and CA officers perform critical roles across the spectrum of conflict at all levels of command. In addition, both PSYOP and CA have companies, battalions, and one PSYOP group level command, which perform significant missions in support of Conventional and Special Operations, theater, and national objectives. PSYOP and CA officers play critical roles in foreign internal defense and unconventional warfare as well as other missions directed by the national command authority, in peace and war.
​

It seems unlikely to me that such an individual would therefore mistake a Sikh temple for a Mosque. Browsing Stormfront this afternoon, I find it hard to believe this man was acting on behalf of a white supremacist ideology. There isn't a lack of minorities in the country - why choose one of the smaller less known, groups much less gun them down during a prayer? Whilst supremacists have a skewed sense of ethics, they are often extremely politicised; such an act, they know, would put an even more unfavourable spotlight on them. It doesn't seem like their motto to do this.

This could turn out to be something completely different than what we had imagined

Come on. You can't post crap like this without a citation of some kind. I don't believe a word of this.

 

[bafflewaffle]

sorry :/

he is a nice man, he has a angry look. I hope he recovers from shots

 

[F#A#Oo]

 

[Daydream Sequence]

he look like white supremacy also tbh :/

That's a hell of a thing to say.

 

[Joel Was Right]

Come on. You can't post crap like this without a citation of some kind. I don't believe a word of this.

I got my impression from reading the main thread on Stormfront discussing the shooting. There is no support for this, but criticism to the point of paranoia, some suggesting its a set-up to blame white supremacists. There was a similar narrative there during the Norway massacre. If you cant find the thread, I'll PM you the link.

In terms of Wade himself? Media has reported that he was psy-ops in the military before being discharged. The description of what they do I got from here

http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/aroffjobs/blpsy.htm

 

[pappe]

This makes my blood boil. What.The.Fuck!

 

[Alligatorjandro]

I wonder if we have anyone who shares the shooters beliefs on GAF.

 

[Raonak]

Well, fuck. with all these crazy stories lately, im close to scratching america off as a possible holiday destination. especially since im indian.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

I got my impression from reading the main thread on Stormfront discussing the shooting. There is no support for this, but criticism to the point of paranoia, some suggesting its a set-up to blame white supremacists. There was a similar narrative there during the Norway massacre. If you cant find the thread, I'll PM you the link.

In terms of Wade himself? Media has reported that he was psy-ops in the military before being discharged. The description of what they do I got from here

http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/aroffjobs/blpsy.htm

Your concern for white supremacists is duly noted. Poor, oppressed group that they are.

 

[Daydream Sequence]

Anderson Cooper (CNN) tweeted that he was headed to Wisconsin to do his show from there starting tonight. Someone tweeted back asking him if CNN isn't covering this because the victims were Sikh, failing to notice that Cooper is headed there and the fact that CNN's been covering a ton since it happened. Coopers response to that tweet was short but sharp: "You're a moron."

 

[cheststrongwell]

Anderson Cooper (CNN) tweeted that he was headed to Wisconsin to do his show from there starting tonight. Someone tweeted back asking him if CNN isn't covering this because the victims were Sikh, failing to notice that Cooper is headed there and the fact that CNN's been covering a ton since it happened. Coopers response to that tweet was short but sharp: "You're a moron."

Lol. Cooper is awesome.

 

[B-Dubs]

Anderson Cooper (CNN) tweeted that he was headed to Wisconsin to do his show from there starting tonight. Someone tweeted back asking him if CNN isn't covering this because the victims were Sikh, failing to notice that Cooper is headed there and the fact that CNN's been covering a ton since it happened. Coopers response to that tweet was short but sharp: "You're a moron."

Don't fuck with Cooper.

 

[Joel Was Right]

Your concern for white supremacists is duly noted. Poor, oppressed group that they are.

How you concluded that I sympathise for white supremacists from that quote I have no idea

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Anderson Cooper (CNN) tweeted that he was headed to Wisconsin to do his show from there starting tonight. Someone tweeted back asking him if CNN isn't covering this because the victims were Sikh, failing to notice that Cooper is headed there and the fact that CNN's been covering a ton since it happened. Coopers response to that tweet was short but sharp: "You're a moron."

Cooper's a boss. Remember when he rescued that kid in like Haiti? Cool guy.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

How you concluded that I sympathise for white supremacists from that quote I have no idea

I did not say you sympathize, only that they are in your concern... which was quoted.

 

[Joel Was Right]

I did not say you sympathize, only that they are in your concern... which was quoted.

I'm not sure what that means

 

[Vilix]

Link to the picture please?

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

Hi Jason Raize,

You said:
"It seems unlikely to me that such an individual would therefore mistake a Sikh temple for a Mosque. Browsing Stormfront this afternoon, I find it hard to believe this man was acting on behalf of a white supremacist ideology."

Before this:
"I got my impression from reading the main thread on Stormfront discussing the shooting. There is no support for this, but criticism to the point of paranoia, some suggesting its a set-up to blame white supremacists."

Me, I am just thinking maybe this thread is not the place for concerns in favour of white supremacists. Whatever assumptions, the gunman was cited to be affiliated with white supremacist movement. Such movements usually espouse intolerant ideas, which may contributed in his horrific decision to open fire at the temple.

But, it's just me. It's just how you come across. If I have painted you over with the wrong brush, I apologize. I may have misread your intentions.

 

[Shurs]

Friend of mine lives right by the temple. Had much trouble getting home last night.

He must have had the worst day.

 

[pigeon]

It seems unlikely to me that such an individual would therefore mistake a Sikh temple for a Mosque. Browsing Stormfront this afternoon, I find it hard to believe this man was acting on behalf of a white supremacist ideology.

Yeah, he was probably a white supremacist who shot up a temple full of people of color for some OTHER reason. Seems likely! Given how peaceful and inoffensive white supremacists tend to be.

 

[Dram]

Link to the picture please?

They changed it, it says scary now.

 

[Count Dookkake]

He must have had the worst day.

lol

 

[Lonewolf_92]

Hi Jason Raize,

You said:
"It seems unlikely to me that such an individual would therefore mistake a Sikh temple for a Mosque. Browsing Stormfront this afternoon, I find it hard to believe this man was acting on behalf of a white supremacist ideology."

Before this:
"I got my impression from reading the main thread on Stormfront discussing the shooting. There is no support for this, but criticism to the point of paranoia, some suggesting its a set-up to blame white supremacists."

Me, I am just thinking maybe this thread is not the place for concerns in favour of white supremacists. Whatever assumptions, the gunman was cited to be affiliated with white supremacist movement. Such movements usually espouse intolerant ideas, which may contributed in his horrific decision to open fire at the temple.

But, it's just me. It's just how you come across. If I have painted you over with the wrong brush, I apologize. I may have misread your intentions.

I think Jason was expressing a belief that the shooter wasn't acting as part of a white supremacist group but acting on his own, not that Jason holds any particular pro-white supremacist feelings.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

^^

Never said he sympathize, at all. For all its worth, I think Jason's definitely NOT that kind of a person.

Only, maybe this thread is not the appropriate place to voice out concerns for white supremacist movements. Gunman may indeed acted on his own initiatives, but that does not mean those initiatives were not coloured by his white supremacy bias.

 

[Xeke]

So if we have somehow accepted the notion that criminals can get guys even if illegal why do we even have regulation anymore. Just remove it all because hell, the criminal will get the gun anyway. Both this guy and Holmes got their guns, rounds, magazines, clips, etc...legally.

 

[RustyNails]

Southern Poverty Law Center fellow who has been tracking white supremacists for the past decade said the shooter was a fool who mistook Sikhs for Muslims. He goes on to cite swath of anti-Muslim hysteria on the far right, including the newest boogeyman the Muslim Brotherhood.

 

[fastford58]

So if we have somehow accepted the notion that criminals can get guys even if illegal why do we even have regulation anymore. Just remove it all because hell, the criminal will get the gun anyway. Both this guy and Holmes got their guns, rounds, magazines, clips, etc...legally.

Kind of like drugs, right?

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

Southern Poverty Law Center fellow who has been tracking white supremacists for the past decade said the shooter was a fool who mistook Sikhs for Muslims. He goes on to cite swath of anti-Muslim hysteria on the far right, including the newest boogeyman the Muslim Brotherhood.

Well, so much for the theory that he could tell them apart, despite his background with the psy-ops in the military.

 

[Xeke]

Kind of like drugs, right?

Well last time I checked you couldn't walk into Wal-Mart and buy weed. Unless of course you mean prescription drugs which still isn't even the same.

 

[Wendel Clark]

Well, so much for the theory that he could tell them apart, despite his background with the psy-ops in the military.

Not the first time this has happened. Hopefully it's the last, but I doubt it...

What about the Sikh people that are harassed at airports. I've heard some horrifying stories, at least they weren't fucking shot I guess.

 

[Lonewolf_92]

Well last time I checked you couldn't walk into Wal-Mart and buy weed. Unless of course you mean prescription drugs which still isn't even the same.

Depends on the Wal-Mart. I think Fastford is getting at that it is very easy to get illegal drugs despite laws and efforts to the contrary.

 

[apana]

Not the first time this has happened. Hopefully it's the last, but I doubt it...

What about the Sikh people that are harassed at airports. I've heard some horrifying stories, at least they weren't fucking shot I guess.

Yeah me too, a Sikh guy was stabbed at the airport in Fresno recently. A Sikh grandpa was shot in Sacramento a year back, they haven't caught the killer, he was just going out for a walk.