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Cuban Legend said:
she be trying to take away walt's children, the only thing that matters to him next to sklylar and cooking.

remember during the divorce, he didnt care so much about sky as much as he wanted to keep regular contact in the lives of his children. Walt looked about ready to smack a bitch when I saw them arguing.
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Walt does not care about his kids and he does not care about his wife. How could you possible think he cares about his wife in a normal way? He ignored very obvious and very uncomfortable signs of a mental breakdown in order to maintain his delusions he was still doing a good thing. He also went back into cooking meth despite having the chance to get away clean with everything and a legitimate business to run in the car wash, and he did it without thinking of the safety of his family (as if he actually killed all of the people in the meth business who could threaten him or that "becoming Gus" wouldn't obviously mean dying like him would be a very real possibility for him and his family?). The dude is textbook domestic abuse and he's exhibiting genuine undeniable delusion - his family are nothing but possessions to him, points of pride that allow him to believe he's still a good person because he can provide for them. When the time comes (and it will) when they die because of his ego, I'll feel bad, because he won't realize it was his fault - hell twist it in another direction so he doesn't feel the blame, so it's the world's fault and not his. He'll never let himself feel the pain of a real person who cares for their family because he gave up thinking about their safety and humanity a long time ago.

Walter White is dead, and hopefully Heisenberg dies sooner than later for everyone's sake.
 
I like the fact that the writers are consistent with the motivations and personality of each character.

Hence why Skylar didn't turn into Carmella Soprano, Junior is still just a kid, Hank is just a guy you want to have a beer with, etc.

This show doesn't make one character act within another's head space.
 
Stet said:
Perhaps I'm still not getting what about this makes her the bigger of two evils.
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She lost the fight to take away his children the first time, and like walt said, she will lose again. You don't fight walt's evil with being evil to him.

Her trying to do this is not only in defense of her children but is exuding a trolling vibe from her as if she knows it's his weak spot and she's trying to add more stress to him or motivation or something.

I think Skyler is going crazy on purpose, she's too smart to crack like this.
 
Speevy said:
I like the fact that the writers are consistent with the motivations and personality of each character.

Hence why Skylar didn't turn into Carmella Soprano, Junior is still just a kid, Hank is just a guy you want to have a beer with, etc.

This show doesn't make one character act within another's head space.
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Interesting observation. Definitely see the truth in it.


Cuban Legend said:
She lost the fight to take away his children the first time, and like walt said, she will lose again. You don't fight walt's evil with being evil to him.

Her trying to do this is not only in defense of her children but is exuding a trolling vibe from her as if she knows it's his weak spot and she's trying to add more stress to him or motivation or something.

I think Skyler is going crazy on purpose, she's too smart to crack like this.
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I just want to be clear here. You think Skyler is attempting to cynically manipulate Walt by acting like a battered wife?
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
Walt does not care about his kids and he does not care about his wife. How could you possible think he cares about his wife in a normal way? He ignored very obvious and very uncomfortable signs of a mental breakdown in order to maintain his delusions he was still doing a good thing. He also went back into cooking meth despite having the chance to get away clean with everything and a legitimate business to run in the car wash, and he did it without thinking of the safety of his family (as if he actually killed all of the people in the meth business who could threaten him or that "becoming Gus" wouldn't obviously mean dying like him would be a very real possibility for him and his family?). The dude is textbook domestic abuse and he's exhibiting genuine undeniable delusion - his family are nothing but possessions to him, points of pride that allow him to believe he's still a good person because he can provide for them. When the time comes (and it will) when they die because of his ego, I'll feel bad, because he won't realize it was his fault - hell twist it in another direction so he doesn't feel the blame, so it's the world's fault and not his. He'll never let himself feel the pain of a real person who cares for their family because he gave up thinking about their safety and humanity a long time ago.

Walter White is dead, and hopefully Heisenberg dies sooner than later for everyone's sake.
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Wrong. Delisional walt yet, abusive at this point maybe, but cares about his family? Now maybe he can't see as clearly as he used to, but when he was thinking the most crystal clear was at the beginning of all this, what did he do?

Thats right.

He started cooking meth because of his children and family, the power behind this fact outweighs any current motivations to cook, because without his family he would have rolled over and died of that cancer the first chance he had. lol
 
Assuming that the opening scene of the season showing Walt's 52nd birthday is a scene from the final episode, does it seem crazy to anyone else that over the last 12 episodes of the series we'll travel a year considering we've just hit the year mark after 5 seasons?
 
I think the gap will all happen in 2-3 episodes. The time bomb is ticking.
 
Willkiller said:
Assuming that the opening scene of the season showing Walt's 52nd birthday is a scene from the final episode, does it seem crazy to anyone else that over the last 12 episodes of the series we'll travel a year considering we've just hit the year mark after 5 seasons?
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I think it's from the end of the half season, personally. And I also think it's crazy.
 
maharg said:
Interesting observation. Definitely see the truth in it.




I just want to be clear here. You think Skyler is attempting to cynically manipulate Walt by acting like a battered wife?
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Lydia acted scared for Mike to protect herself and even tried to kill him by pitting him in a stressful situation with people he cared about, she cracked with her daughter in the next room yet she openly challenged Mike with a gun to her head because of her daughter.

Women will and have used their children in this show as leverage, Skyler ain't no slowpoke, and we shouldn't let her trick us into assuming she's 100% genuine in her actions at this point considering her general past of trickery. I think she's faking at least partially because she can fake it like the best of them. We shouldn't completely dismiss that possibility.
 
Dr Eggman said:
I'm about to go find a pool to go drown in after reading some of these posts.
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Eh, I think it's cool that these sorts of discussions can be had. Speaks to the strength of the show that the morality is so murky for some, and that an audience of people can watch the same thing and come away with differing interpretations.

I think it's pretty clear-cut that Walt is just a terrible person at this point and that Skyler in most cases is just reacting normally to the dire situations presented to her, but I like that others differ - even if they're wrong. ;)
 
Speevy said:
I like the fact that the writers are consistent with the motivations and personality of each character.

Hence why Skylar didn't turn into Carmella Soprano, Junior is still just a kid, Hank is just a guy you want to have a beer with, etc.

This show doesn't make one character act within another's head space.
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But also remember that this show's time span is much much shorter than that of The Sopranos in your example. All five seasons of Breaking Bad have taken place in a year's time. Yes, people can change, but it probably takes more time than the couple of months that Skylar has been involved in the drug business.
 
Cuban Legend said:
Lydia acted scared for Mike to protect herself and even tried to kill him, she cracked with her daughter in the next room yet she openly challenged Mike with a gun to her head because of her daughter.

Women will and have used their children in this show as leverage, Skyler ain't no slowpoke. I think she's faking because she can fake it like the best of them and we know that and we shouldn't completely dismiss that possibility.
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This is a truly impressive display of open misogyny. Congratulations.
 
I like how we're all discussing how each character is gonna die, but Gilligan is all gonna blow our minds and kill them off so unexpectedly, we're gonna have to pick up our jaws from the floor.
 
maharg said:
I think it's from the end of the half season, personally. And I also think it's crazy.
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I can't see it, there's too much going on right now to skip a year over the next 4 episodes. Who knows though.

Either way I can't wait to see how they handle it, I'm having a real struggle wrapping my head around it.
 
Willkiller said:
I can't see it, there's too much going on right now to skip a year over the next 4 episodes. Who knows though.

Either way I can't wait to see how they handle it, I'm having a real struggle wrapping my head around it.
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I don't see how either, but I really don't think they've solidified the finale enough to be comfortable enough filming part of it now. Maybe the gap will be in the real-time gap and the shot is actually from the start of the next part.
 
What if the 8th episode doesn't end with a cliffhanger after all? I wonder if there's even a chance of that happening. I think that would make the wait even worse, somehow. Less room for speculation and all that.
 
maharg said:
This is a truly impressive display of open misogyny. Congratulations.
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So because Skyler and Lydia are women I can't talk about them using children as leverage? My point stands and is not a generalization I'm talking about within the context of this show, brocookie.

Walt used Brock as leverage although not his child, (happy?) but Brock has nothing to do with the emotional dynamic motivation between walt and his family.

Edit: hell walt has used his children as emotional leverage against his wife as it's against her wishes for them to be around Walt during the whole divorce portion of the show.
 
Marie, Lydia and Skylar are worse than Vic Mackey's wife and daughter, Nikki & Paolo and LaGuerta from Dexter COMBINED. Just AWFUL.

There are great women characters on TV: Claudette, Snoop, all the girls on Arrested.

Breaking Bad deserves better.
 
vatstep said:
What if the 8th episode doesn't end with a cliffhanger after all? I wonder if there's even a chance of that happening. I think that would make the wait even worse, somehow. Less room for speculation and all that.
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It might not. Walt might pull off his grand escape in episode 8, but will have to return in the second half to help Jesse with that M60. But still, he wouldn't do it selflessly, so there must be something he needs from Jesse for him to return.
 
maharg said:
I don't see how either, but I really don't think they've solidified the finale enough to be comfortable enough filming part of it now. Maybe the gap will be in the real-time gap and the shot is actually from the start of the next part.
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That certainly would seem like a Vince Gilligan thing to do. I just can't get past the M60 and the sense of finality I get from that. Granted we don't know where we'll be at the end of the half season I just can't think of a situation where Walt would be buying a fucking M60 gun with another 8 episodes to go.

But again, who knows. I love this bloody show.
 
Cuban Legend said:
Lydia acted scared for Mike to protect herself and even tried to kill him by pitting him in a stressful situation with people he cared about, she cracked with her daughter in the next room yet she openly challenged Mike with a gun to her head because of her daughter.
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So wait, are you saying Lydia used her kid as a last bit gamble to save her own life? She was ready to die, or at least accepted her fate. I don't think she was doing anything more than looking out for her kid at that point.
 
I think Walt still cares about his family but Skylar is doing a good job of trying to alienate him from them. Honestly Marie is a grating piece of work that will get under anyone's skin. He wouldn't have a problem with Hank but since he's a direct threat to him, he has to manipulate him. He obviously loves his baby girl and Junior. Skylar has been busting his balls since the start of series. It's obvious that Walt has been exhibiting passive aggressive behavior in his relationship with Skylar.
 
KarmaCow said:
So wait, are you saying Lydia used her kid as a last bit gamble to save her life? She was ready to die, or at least accepted her fate. I don't think she was doing anything more than looking out for her kid at that point.
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As was Skylar when she was trying to get them as far away from Walt as possible.


But that's the same thing as poisoning a little kid so you could lie to your best friend to help you convince him to kill somebody.
 
Cuban Legend said:
So because Skyler and Lydia are women I can't talk about them using children as leverage? My point stands and is not a generalization I'm talking about within the context of this show, brocookie.

Walt used Brock as leverage although not his child, (happy?) but Brock has nothing to do with the emotional dynamic motivation between walt and his family.

Edit: hell walt has used his children as emotional leverage against his wife as it's against her wishes for them to be around Walt during the whole divorce portion of the show.
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No, because when you see a woman in a tv show who's clearly being manipulated and abused and acts like it, you assume she's doing it to manipulate her dick of a husband with no real logic behind it.

I'm not sure what Lydia has to do with anything.
 
I never even thought about the 52nd birthday scene happening that soon. I've just fully assumed that we wouldn't get there until the final episode of the series. I would be stunned if they manage to get there sooner, but then again, the pace for these first four episodes has been quick, so...
 
maharg said:
No, because when you see a woman in a tv show who's clearly being manipulated and abused and acts like it, you assume she's doing it to manipulate her dick of a husband with no real logic behind it.

I'm not sure what Lydia has to do with anything.
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I'm just assuming what I assumed without any context is all, sometimes looking at something as if you've never seen it before (As a new and isolated situation) yields more open possibilities and avenues of perceiving said situation.

One of those possibilities being the one I mentioned. I didnt say it was for sure, or that I'm convinced, but I'm merely stating that its a possibility that crossed my mind and I haven't completely ignored.
 
Skysky pretending to be abused is the stupidest shit I have ever read on this forum.




And I always read my own threads.
 
Copernicus said:
Skysky pretending to be abused is the stupidest shit I have ever read on this forum.




And I always read my own threads.
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She openly threatened walt to use herself as a tool against him for her children... why would it seem so strange for her motivations being any different now? She has the drive to try and protect her children, whats to say she wont use that drive to attempt at fucking walt over.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
4 GREAT EPISODES OUT OF 4.
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I agree. I think all episodes this season have been great. As long as we don't get a wasted episode in the final season a la the fly episode I will be happy. I cannot stand a wasted episode as bad as that. Worst episode in Breaking Bad history.

Come at me.

No, wait. Don't. I don't want to go down that road again. Just know that I hate that episode
 
Man, you guys really hate character expansion and interaction.
 
Walt, dude who got back into meth dealing to make up for his debt, buys two brand new cars off the lot because "the lease rates are great".
 
Cuban Legend said:
She openly threatened walt to use herself as a tool against him for her children... why would it seem so strange for her motivations being any different now? She has the drive to try and protect her children, whats to say she wont use that drive to attempt at fucking walt over.
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She has never at any point shown that she has the capacity to to be that kind of a mastermind. She's a failed writer as you might remember.

It would have to be some Keyser Soze level shit that the writers are pulling for that to be the case. All of her misteppings have been divulged to the people directly affected to them. For them to go "gotcha" with her character would be a cop out and I don't see that happening.
 
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