Evilore should get on this.
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Breaking Bad - Season 5, Part 1 - Sundays on AMC
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Evilore should get on this.
I would like to point out that this is by no means the universal opinion.
To me, this was the episode where Skyler really started to come into her own as the villain.
Trent Strong
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It's just the universal sane opinion.
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
That would require nuanced discussion or some shit
Podcast is up.
http://www.amctv.com/shows/breaking-bad/insider-podcast-season-5
Guess who is the guest-actor this week... they also talk a lot about skylar-hate and forum bashing of the character.. i take it they read a lot of GAF
http://www.amctv.com/shows/breaking-bad/insider-podcast-season-5
Guess who is the guest-actor this week... they also talk a lot about skylar-hate and forum bashing of the character.. i take it they read a lot of GAF
tycoonheart
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I'd love this ending just to watch the Amir0x meltdown.
Yeah but you could have a normal ending that makes sense and watch Puddles melt down.
If Puddles hasn't melted down by this point, I struggle to think of what could happen that would change that. Walt could use that machine gun to shoot up an orphanage, maybe.
It's Reyn Time!
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This is what I absolutely love about this show. It's never devolved into the Wacky Adventures of Walt & Co, it's not Walt Vs. the Bad Guys, it just tells an interesting (sometimes fantastical) story about a bunch of varied characters.
As for Skyler hate, I can't stand her and I want to know why. My theory is that any character in a TV show who pisses on the main characters' chips on a regular basis is going to be largely unpopular, no matter how well written or acted the part is. Then there's the fact that I am watching a show involving hitmen, drug addicts, mass murderers and a protagonist who blows shit up, strangles guys, runs guys over, dissolves problematic corpses in vats of acid and plants bombs in old peoples homes. Against that backdrop, Skyler is like some kind of monstrous wet blanket.
And yet, you have to consider the audience here on Neogaf. I'd bet a bollock that most of us discussing this show aren't used to having a character like Skyler in a piece of media with the above subject matter. How often do your deranged, emotionally detached, multiple-murdering drug dealer protagonists have to deal with the psychological reality of their actions?
I hated Skyler's character back when she was treating Walt like a child (I'd argue that he was just as fundamentally broken before he even knew about the cancer), and I still hate her now that she's The Human Face... and yet I'll be damned if seeing Walt's craziness just compound itself, strengthen even, in the face of her breakdown isn't making for brilliant TV.
blame space
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evilore make it so we can make polls in the OT
Precisely. Everyone in the entire show has "broke bad". Walt become a drug kingpin. Marie shoplifted. Skyler helped cook the books for Ted and launder money. Hank beat the shit out of suspect. Even outside of the really bad characters (Tuco, Crazy 8, Gus) everyone has done something questionable at some point.
I feel like it's a really weird thing that you just put them all on the same level like that. Like shoplifting and cooking the books are some kind of heinous crime.
I think the idea that the show was going to be about a bunch of people who all go bad somehow was abandoned pretty early on in the run, personally. The show is now very much about Walt's break, not the shoplifting that's barely been mentioned for 4 years.
Frankly, I think at some point they realized they'd been writing a sociopath and decided that was more interesting than the original premise and to go whole hog.
Even Brock messed up. He was playing Sonic 2006.
PastorOfMuppets
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I think what makes Walt interesting though is that at this point, he has no redeeming qualities.
Skylar was desperate and tried to do something crazy to save the children.
Hank by all measure is a pretty good guy.
Jesse is usually the most reluctant to kill people.
Even the crazy lady who works at Madrigal is protective of her children.
Walt? Season 5 Walt literally has no redeeming qualities right now. Such an amazing transformation from the first episode where he kicks a guy in the leg for making fun of his son's disability to now where he's poisoning kids, planting bombs in old folks homes and putting his family's life at risk.
Skylar was desperate and tried to do something crazy to save the children.
Hank by all measure is a pretty good guy.
Jesse is usually the most reluctant to kill people.
Even the crazy lady who works at Madrigal is protective of her children.
Walt? Season 5 Walt literally has no redeeming qualities right now. Such an amazing transformation from the first episode where he kicks a guy in the leg for making fun of his son's disability to now where he's poisoning kids, planting bombs in old folks homes and putting his family's life at risk.
I don't put them on the same level. There's varying degrees of criminal activity but basically everyone in the show who was a good person to begin with has broken bad in their own way to their own degree. And there were a bunch of people who were criminals from the very first second we met them too, nothing has changed there.
Hahaha, justification for the poisoning right?
Yep, last episode was where I really knew I didn't like Walt as a character, and realised I want him to die in the end. Sure, Skyler's an absolute dick, but her actions are completely justifiable as an extension of Walt's psychotic behaviour.
And I've settled on Jesse being the true hero in the end, although I guess that was always going to happen (the foreshadowing of his problems with his parents etc.)
The one thing that should have gotten through to Walt is Skyler going to insane means to get the kids away from him. But even that doesn't register. Walt is an uncontrollable, lost, blind creature, with a malignant influence on everyone and everything around him. Cancer personified.
Huh. I never thought of that. I feel pretty dumb now, since it seems pretty noticeable. Walt's definitely become the cancer
and the danger
I think it registered, he just can't see any danger at the moment. As far as he's concerned Gus was it, he's dead, they're safe. He doesn't know about Madrigal. He doesn't know what Mike is doing behind the scenes. He has no idea how the DEA investigation is going. He's basing his decisions on pretty much no information when traditionally he has had a fair idea what is going on. And of course he's wrong. Anybody could turn on him and his little business in a heartbeat and he's back to square one. It's just a matter of time.
Has he really? I feel like he generally goes on a gut leap based on snippets of out of context information, and he's usually been wrong about the bigger picture.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Yeah, Walt has tons of ingenuity and can think on his feet very quickly, but he has trouble with the long game.
...which makes him a gigantic idiot, since all of society knows how dangerous selling drugs is. The fact that he can possibly rationalize away any danger at this point, after everything he's been through, really makes me wonder if he's a masochist, or just straight up suicidal. He has tried to kill himself on at least two different occasions, he's opined about missing his perfect moment to die and on having lived too long. Like, is he trying to commit suicide by drug dealer? But then, he keeps fighting against his own death, so... I'm back to just thinking he's an idiot.
Extra Sauce
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Walt is now Skyler's jailer. You're insane if you think she's the villain.
Walt has never, ever, had a fair idea of what was going on, that's kind of the problem. Walter's the one who sent Jesse to deal with Tuco. Walter's the one who pushed Jesse to expand their territory into Gus's area. Walter's the one who went to work for Gus in the first place, and Walter's the one who killed Gus in the end (which I am still pretty confident will come back and screw him). When Mike calls Walter a ticking time bomb, this is what he's talking about. When it comes to making decisions, Walter has been Heisenberg since the very first episode -- and Heisenberg basically makes lousy decisions, because in the end, he's just Walter White.
Podcast is up.
http://www.amctv.com/shows/breaking-bad/insider-podcast-season-5
Guess who is the guest-actor this week... they also talk a lot about skylar-hate and forum bashing of the character.. i take it they read a lot of GAF
Man listening to the first 10 minutes of that I hate Skylar even more.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Every time you reply to Puddles in this thread, a girl chokes on her own vomit.
Souless_PJ
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You just know that junior is going to meet his demise in that car eating breakfast on the go.
Definitely that fatso Holly.
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Oh shit, I forgot. Is he the first guest?
Cuban Legend
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hank, gets got a big beer belly
brianjones
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is this rock bottom
ConradCervantes
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Just finished watching this last episode. Automatically the worst of the series due to the profane use of dubstep. Disgusting.
*deletes Season Pass from DVR*
*deletes Season Pass from DVR*
I think it might be. Wtf?
Lamel
Banned
Skyler because she sucks.
Lionel Mandrake
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Vince is on Conan now.
Lamel
Banned
He wants dat credit.
He should've. But then she wouldn't have known. And Walt wants people to know just how great (he thinks) he is.
Souless_PJ
Banned
Haha true. Really if anything Walt was an innocent bystander. You don't sue the bomb manufacturers when a bomb goes off. Gus went to kill Tio and Tio was like Wassup Chicken Man. Walt just happened to be in the neighbourhood chilling.
still think the number of people pissed off at the use of dubstep is hilarious. do we need to get into how plenty of dubstep is good (james blake, magnetic man, sorta burial, some rusko, katy b, etc.) and most people who immediately call it shit have not listened to much at all and are applying the properties of the subgenre of "brostep" to the entire genre due to their lack of knowledge? hell, even some "brostep" is good in the right context. When that context is showing how obnoxious and amped up two supercharged muscle cars are, I think it works goddamn well. that scene wasn't supposed to have you enjoying the music, it was supposed to have you understanding how testosterone-fueled and shallow the purchase of the cars was
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